Justice League MOS vs BvS vs JL

[Captain Marvel]

Justice League, due to the Whedon influence. Frankly, asking which Snyder movie I consider to be the best is like asking me which turd out of three piles of turds do I think is the best. They're all turds.

 

[007]

BVS for the fight between them and the warehouse scene.

Justice league was terrible, boring story, lacked cohesion, misfiring humor at every turn.


Mos was meidocre. Its probably still the best superman film out there, but its hard to watch all the way through again.

 

[007]

Batman was the only watchable part of both the last two films. Afflecks take on his was amazing.

Even if in BVS his motivations were completely inane.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

Batman played a good Lex Luthor imo

 

[007]

Not wrong.

 

[metaphysician]

For all its flaws, Man of Steel is at least adequately functional as a movie. That's more than can be said for the other two.

 

[The Batman]

MOS is the least bad out of the three. It's just a completely mediocre film that should've done for Superman what Batman Begins did for Batman, but ultimately didn't.

BvS, whether its the theatrical cut or the Ultimate Edition, is a dreary, pretentious slog of a movie, which is even more of a disappointment considering it was the first live action meeting of Batman and Superman, as well as the live action cinematic debuts of Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and The Flash.

Justice League isn't offensively bad, but still pretty bad.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

As someone who loved BvS, JL has made me appreciate it more. Didn't know I could miss the Snyder's so much.

 

[Superchan]

All 3 movies failed critically, all underperformed (JL flopped actually) commercially and all had inflated budgets of atleast 220+ million and Zack Snyder is the common denominator, nice one WB!!

 

[GreenKToo]

MoS, while not the best, did lay the groundwork for bigger and better films.
I truly believe a sequel with a different director would have been a hit.
Then they could have worried about a WF film after that.

If they had only did what needed to be done after MoS.

 

[Micromind]

I don't think MoS 'under performed', it made 668 mil, despite being a reboot after underwhelming performance of Superman Returns and MoS earned more than The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America, Iron Man 2, Thor, Thor 2, X Men First Class, X-Men Apocalypse.

 

[Power Cosmic]

Justice League, due to the Whedon influence. Frankly, asking which Snyder movie I consider to be the best is like asking me which turd out of three piles of turds do I think is the best. They're all turds.

Spot on.

 

[BH/HHH]

Man of Steel, its my favourite comic book movie of the last 20 years. Looking back now I don't think think we got what we were promised by the hopeful ending of MOS. If you watch MOS it works well as a stand alone, the ending Clark knows who he is. The fact they made him still unsure of himself in BvS was a huge mistake. As time has gone on I've liked BvS less and less, I still like parts of it but its very much like Superman Returns for me now. I love certain parts but as a whole it doesn't work. Justice League even though I can admit it feels like a Frankenstein cut of a film I really enjoy for the fun aspects. Whether it holds up on rewatches I don't know but I at least know I can enjoy it as a fun comic book movie.

 

[Nemeres]

Man of Steel
Justice League
Batman V Superman.

The wait for MOS was extremely cool fanboy times. The glee from watching the leaked Comic Con footage in 2012 will forever remain unparalleled for me. I've soured a lot on it, but I appreciate the personal zeitgeist-ness of it all. There are songs I still can't hear without linking them emotionally to my MOS enthusiasm from 2013. I understand why people call it "the Superman film I've always wanted", because in a lot of ways... it is. But miscalculated, silly, unaware of its own missteps, and just thin on what it thinks it's new and clever about itself. It feels conceived under a line of thinking that has characterized Snyder's DC stuff, imo: There's no reason why the bare minimum shouldn't be enough.

Justice League I didn't care much for. I appreciated the colorful rock n' roll superhero fest it wanted to be, and in particular the Superman bits, but they're like small edible bits in a spoiled meal. It amounts to vapid plot, atop an attempted blockbuster movie feeling, atop more vapid plot. It's nobody's product and watching it felt after a certain point like a favor.

BVS is a disaster conceived with a very weird lack of intelligence about itself. It doesn't let you appreciate it even in the terms it wants you to. There's barely a moment, and I do mean barely, when I don't feel its plot mechanics or logic or philosophy aren't easy to puncture. On occasion I do envy the folks that see so much meaning in it. If back in 2010 they had told me that two of Snyder's Superman films would be touted as masterpieces by a certain camp of fans... I would've been ecstatic. Not for a second would it have occurred to me that I wouldn't agree.

 

[Tra-El]

Man of Steel
Justice League
Batman V Superman.

The wait for MOS was extremely cool fanboy times. The glee from watching the leaked Comic Con footage in 2012 will forever remain unparalleled for me. I've soured a lot on it, but I appreciate the personal zeitgeist-ness of it all. There are songs I still can't hear without linking them emotionally to my MOS enthusiasm from 2013. I understand why people call it "the Superman film I've always wanted", because in a lot of ways.. it is.

Agreed. When I joined in 2010 and going through the hype leading up to Man of Steel was something I'll never forget as a fan. The sheer excitement of hype surrounding Superman again was something I'll always appreciate as a fan. The end result was divisive but I'm grateful for experiencing that hysteria of anticipation. Man of Steel will always be special in its own way for me.

 

[Superchan]

I don't think MoS 'under performed', it made 668 mil, despite being a reboot after underwhelming performance of Superman Returns and MoS earned more than The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America, Iron Man 2, Thor, Thor 2, X Men First Class, X-Men Apocalypse.

Considering how well it opened domestically and internationally, yes calling it an underperforming film is quite accurate.
MOS made more than DOUBLE what amazing spidy did in ticket sales by the end of it's opening weekend yet it finished just 30 mill higher while internationally MOS beat ASM very slightly in the big markets yet finished more than a 120 million LESS! The film had weak legs across the board (much like most of Snyder's films), which is sad because it was clear from the opening weekend that people were very keen on a superman movie.

 

[Micromind]

As much Superman fans don't want to admit it, the fact is that Spider-Man is more popular character than Superman overseas and MoS was coming after SR, which might have affected it's reception. So, a Spider-Man movie was always going to better overseas as compared to a Superman movie.

Also, I agree that MoS did not receive high RT ratings and it didn't have same word of mouth as The Amazing Spider-Man had mainly because it was not as light hearted and wasn't geared towards kids, this could have affected it's Box Office collections.

Still, it didn't underperform as having bad legs (or opening big and then having a big second week drop is fairly consistent with big name comic book movies, for example Captain America Civil War dropped 59 % in second week or X-Men Apocalypse which had 65 % second week drop.)

 

[The Joker]

Frankly, asking which Snyder movie I consider to be the best is like asking me which turd out of three piles of turds do I think is the best. They're all turds.

Very apt analogy.

 

[Superchan]

As much Superman fans don't want to admit it, the fact is that Spider-Man is more popular character than Superman overseas and MoS was coming after SR, which might have affected it's reception. So, a Spider-Man movie was always going to better overseas as compared to a Superman movie.

Please read my post abit more carefully, MOS opened bigger than ASM in international markets meaning that Superman's reboot was slightly more anticipated than spiderman's was, which clearly shows that superman is every bit as popular as spider-man is and when ASM ends up making more than MOS worldwide it's because the audience liked the former more than the latter and not because the audience prefer spidy to supes.

Also, I agree that MoS did not receive high RT ratings and it didn't have same word of mouth as The Amazing Spider-Man had mainly because it was not as light hearted and wasn't geared towards kids, this could have affected it's Box Office collections.

You used that same argument for BvS and it didn't hold water there and doesn't hold water here. WB never sets out to alienate a certain set of audience especially when it comes to a multi-million dollar IP like superman, one which they spent over 225 million on.
WB tried to pull a dark knight with MOS and make a serious superhero movie that appealed to the mass audience regardless of whether it was kid friendly or not. That ofcourse failed miserably because Zack Snyder isn't even as good as a 14 yr old Christopher Nolan let alone the fully grown version.

Still, it didn't underperform as having bad legs (or opening big and then having a big second week drop is fairly consistent with big name comic book movies, for example Captain America Civil War dropped 59 % in second week or X-Men Apocalypse which had 65 % second week drop.)

Yeah it did, the movie sold 128 million in ticket sales and ended up making 291, which is a 2.3 multiplier, a weak number (if not terrible), which only looks good when compared with another zack snyder movie (BvS), which had a laughable 2X multiplier (barely).

 

[Limonade]

Order as per release date.

1) MoS
2) Batman v Superman : Ultimate Edition
3) Justice League

My enjoyment of all 3 is huge though, even though clearly, JL is NOT Snyder's intended version or vision.

Using the Ultimate Edition? Isn't that cheating? Are we going by theatrical release?

 

[Patchwork Man]

The UE came out before Justice League. He's okay.

 

[Limonade]

The UE came out before Justice League. He's okay.

I can dig it.

 

[kguillou]

I think most fans when talking about BvS are talking about the UE. Most of us have retconned the TC out of existence.

 

[JKKS085]

MoS is a beautifuly shot film (save for moments of the 3rd act) with a terrific, memorable soundtrack and impressive production design. Its screenplay is a stupid, unpolished, piping hot mess, Snyder doesn’t get the characters one bit and fails to make them compelling even by deconstructive standards but it does have redeeming qualities and an original point of view.

Which is a lot more than I can say for BvS or JL.

 

[_Superman_]

I think most fans when talking about BvS are talking about the UE. Most of us have retconned the TC out of existence.

That is correct.