Most disappointing movie of 2012? (so far)

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, but you didn't even like TDK that much outside of Ledger's performance. Seems that Nolan's ideas didn't really do it for you, no?

 

[Naked Shia]

That's what I'm saying. At no point during watching TDK's finale did I think that Gotham would be crime free in general. Just the mob, which was also Batman's obsession, as shown in the beginning of TDK..

You didn't think like that, because there was no way anybody could know how thing would turn out, just like there was no way anyone could have guessed Bane would come to Gotham. but in the end, that's how it happened, as stated by the characters themselves. Blake told Gordon the streets are safe, and Bruce told Gordon that Batman wasn't needed anymore. So while you may think Freaks should have taken Gotham over, that's not what happened in this story.

Coleman had evidence (and that's how Ra's found out about Batman as well, although in reverse). Drake, too, more than Blake anyway. Bane's deduction was always stupid.

It would be enough to deduce his identity knowing his past, knowing he disappeared during several years, and knowing how much Batman's crusad must cost. He has the means and the money. It's quite an easy guess. For instance, Henri ducard, in the comics, didn't have much proofs, but he deduced Batman's identity by being logical in Blind Justice. Blake is clearly an intelligent person, and someone who cares for others. He's encounter the same tragedy than Bruce, and it's possible that he thought about being a vigilante to take revenge. Then, he met Bruce, and thought "what if this guy, whose parents were murdered, thought the same thing, and became Batman?"

While it's merely guesswork, it happened to be true. He may have been wrong obviously, but he wasn't. He could feel the rage of Bruce, because he felt the same. Which is why he didn't need hard evidences.

 

[Gianakin_]

Whatever Leo, you're clearly a TDKR apologist. Seriously, you and me are done, forumically.

 

[Naked Shia]

You have the right to think like that. I consider myself a batfan, first and foremost.

I've been a fan of Batman since I ws 3 years old, when I discovered the Adam West Show. I saw Batman on tv, then I saw Batman Returns in theater. I watched the animated series since it was first released on tv.

I've been reading comic books since I was 6. I like every single batmovie, including Batman Forever, Batman and robin, and Batman the movie.

I didn't read every single batcomics, but I read a lot of them, from the golden age, the silver age, the bronze age, and the modern age. I appreciate both the dark and the light Batman.

I love TAS, but I also love The Batman, and Batman the brave and the bold. I can't wait to see Beware the Batman.

I'm glad we have so many different artistic take on Batman. That what makes him the greatest hero ever in my mind, and that's what allows him to be liked after so many decades.

I love Nolan movies. they did an awesome job at telling a story about Bruce Wayne and Batman. They are a worthy addition. But Batman is bigger than Nolan. It's even bigger than Kane and Finger, who created him.... That's why Batman can also be bigger than Bruce Wayne

 

[Drizzle]

Prometheus was the biggest disappointment for me, even though I did enjoy it. I was just expecting more from it.

 

[georgec]

A mod should move this thread to the TDKR forum.

 

[Union Jack]

That's laughable. You clearly don't know much about Batman and yet, you say it's not like in the comics. Batman is way more complex than the cliche "Bruce is the mask, Batman is the real identity". Also, He did retire in the comics, not only in The Dark Knight Returns, but also on earth two, pre crisis. So yeah, two of the batman from the comics at least would retire. There isn't ONE Batman, there isn't ONE interpretation of the mythos. People thinking otherwise, or refusing to aknowledge this fact should read more comics obviously.

all personal opinion my friend..my favourite movie is the avengers this year.
I just didn't enjoy TDKR very much is all,but i prefer all the marvel movies over all the nolan batman movies too.
It's only opinion..don't be upset,if everyone liked the same stuff forums would be a dull place.
i do hope warner do a good job doing the dc heroes leading up to JLA.
to be honest I preferred burtons batman to nolans..more fun and comic bookish.
burtons batman would fit in a JLA film..nolans wouldnt.that's why I felt it wasn't comic bookish.

 

[BattleCat]

I long for a version of that film that isn't so vanilla, this is why Hollywood needs a new ratings system, that story demanded more brutality to truly hit the mark and leave an impact on people.

 

[Rowsdower!]

You have the right to think like that. I consider myself a batfan, first and foremost.

I've been a fan of Batman since I ws 3 years old, when I discovered the Adam West Show. I saw Batman on tv, then I saw Batman Returns in theater. I watched the animated series since it was first released on tv.

I've been reading comic books since I was 6. I like every single batmovie, including Batman Forever, Batman and robin, and Batman the movie.

I didn't read every single batcomics, but I read a lot of them, from the golden age, the silver age, the bronze age, and the modern age. I appreciate both the dark and the light Batman.

I love TAS, but I also love The Batman, and Batman the brave and the bold. I can't wait to see Beware the Batman.

I'm glad we have so many different artistic take on Batman. That what makes him the greatest hero ever in my mind, and that's what allows him to be liked after so many decades.

I love Nolan movies. they did an awesome job at telling a story about Bruce Wayne and Batman. They are a worthy addition. But Batman is bigger than Nolan. It's even bigger than Kane and Finger, who created him.... That's why Batman can also be bigger than Bruce Wayne

This is how I look at it too. Nolan's film's are on interpretation of Batman. A lot of people look at Batman in The Dark Knight Returns as the DEFINITIVE version of Batman, yet that is an aged version in a future setting that likely will never come to pass in the canonical DC universe. Same with Batman in Kingdom Come. And I love both of those stories and feel each one nails Batman's character perfectly (we'll not talk about The Dark Knight Strikes Again or The Kingdom... two comics that made me want to put my head through a wall).

And so with Nolan's world we get a Batman/Bruce Wayne who is more idealistic and at times a bit more unhinged than his comic book counterpart; also at times more romantic (his longing for Rachel, his ability to see the "light" in Selina) and ultimately more vulnerable both from a physical and psychological standpoint. And while some of these changes might not be prevalent in everyone's idea of Batman, I've read so many Batman stories over the years and his personality, motivations and overall characterization varied from writer to writer. Sometimes he's an overbearing prick. Other times he's a compassionate father figure. Other time's he's bat**** crazy and about one step away from being in a padded cell (or in some cases, IS in a padded cell).

And it's the same with the other characters. People didn't like that Talia was an outright villain because she toes the line in the comics. But even that isn't completely true because she has made some appearances where she has been downright evil (Villains United comes to mind). It's all in how you write the character, really.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'd say Talia right now in comics is pretty much at that full point of villainy.

With regards to all of this. Every interpretation of Batman is different in some aspects. It's not all consistent. Which what makes him so great in the first place. We can argue what we've seen and what we know of him until we're blue in the face. The point is, he's the most subjective character in comics. That's why I think he could have a durability that may outlast some other characters.

But with Nolan's films. He even said, "Unlike the comics, these things don't go on forever." Nolan said this a long time ago when they announced the third. Now if you watch this and go back to the first one, this Bruce's journey was always going to be finite.

Batman goes on forever in the comics because comics go on forever. Nolan's movies have an ending. The comics don't. Therefore, this permits Batman in Nolan's world to retire. And I love the fact I got to see Bruce finally have a happy ending. As long as the symbol of Batman, that example, isn't dead, then that's all that matters. Bruce may be the best Batman, but a symbol is better.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Why did people have such lofty expectations for Prometheus? Did people really think the magic of Alien would be recaptured? I wasn't interested in that movie and still haven't seen it. Too many studios and directors are stoking people's nostalgia for remakes or half-baked continuations and prequels of old stuff.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Because of Scott returning to sci fi and the world and genre that made him famous, coupled with the amazing cast, there was a lot of it.

But hey, I was satisfied with Prometheus. It was one of the few films that made a lasting impression on me this year.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I'd say Talia right now in comics is pretty much at that full point of villainy.

With regards to all of this. Every interpretation of Batman is different in some aspects. It's not all consistent. Which what makes him so great in the first place. We can argue what we've seen and what we know of him until we're blue in the face. The point is, he's the most subjective character in comics. That's why I think he could have a durability that may outlast some other characters.

But with Nolan's films. He even said, "Unlike the comics, these things don't go on forever." Nolan said this a long time ago when they announced the third. Now if you watch this and go back to the first one, this Bruce's journey was always going to be finite.

Batman goes on forever in the comics because comics go on forever. Nolan's movies have an ending. The comics don't. Therefore, this permits Batman in Nolan's world to retire. And I love the fact I got to see Bruce finally have a happy ending. As long as the symbol of Batman, that example, isn't dead, then that's all that matters. Bruce may be the best Batman, but a symbol is better.

Precisely. It's not a story like Watchmen where there has only been one interpretation and straying too much from that ruins everything (not saying Watchmen did, either... I really liked that film too). Batman is a consistent character in many respects, but there are still changes here and there throughout his history that have had to occur; the character must evolve with the times unless you're going to keep him stuck in a particular time period. And that's fine as long as the core stuff remains the same. Bruce hanging it up for Batman (temporarily, or for good) is not unheard of.

 

[Moridin]

Prometheus is easily the most disappointing.

 

[Piper Maru]

I'd have to say The Amazing Spider-Man was the most disappointing movie this year for me.

 

[kane9321]

amazing spiderman & The dark knight rises

 

[Naked Shia]

all personal opinion my friend..my favourite movie is the avengers this year.
I just didn't enjoy TDKR very much is all,but i prefer all the marvel movies over all the nolan batman movies too.
It's only opinion..don't be upset,if everyone liked the same stuff forums would be a dull place.
i do hope warner do a good job doing the dc heroes leading up to JLA.
to be honest I preferred burtons batman to nolans..more fun and comic bookish.
burtons batman would fit in a JLA film..nolans wouldnt.that's why I felt it wasn't comic bookish.

You misunderstood my point. I'm not bothered if people are disappointed by Nolan movies, or even if they don't like them. The fact that you're disappointed by the movie is not only your opinion, but you have the right to be disappointed. But saying it's not like in the comics is not a matter of opinion. It's a fact that most of the storylines in Nolan's trilogy, including the ending, is taken from the comics.

This is what bothers me, when people are claiming it's not faithful to the comics, when it is.

 

[Homer J. Fong]

I've only seen like 15 movies from this year, and the one that really disappointed me is Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance. I'm not in love with the Crank movies, but Neveldine/Taylor tackling a Ghost Rider flick seemed perfect based on the ridiculous, boundless energy of those things. SoV has moments of awesomeness, but overall, it leaves a lot to be desired. I probably shouldn't have expected that much, and again, there were some great moments.

 

[the gael]

The Amazing Spiderman. Even if I wasn't very happy with the reboot and new origin idea, when I went to see it, I thought it would be a very good movie and a good Spiderman movie. Big error, it was a mess that was a hidden and shameful remake of Spiderman 1. A very bad script and an atrocious characterisation of Peter Parker later, I am furious.

 

[Ultimatehero]

WARNING: SPOILERS

All of those movies got at least a 7 or up from me, except for Battleship which I always knew was going to be bad, so the only real disappointment was 'Prometheus' - I thought it was going to be a great horror movie but then it turned out to be nothing of the sort and the alien baby at the end was a real wtf.

The other one was HUNGER GAMES since the script was so much better than what ended up on screen.

DARK SHADOWS follows close behind, it was entertaining but what brings it up a notch is orphan bias in that I could relate to that kid a lot. And his mom coming back like that = beyond bad ass! Betting lots of orphans/adoptees have that kind of fantasy and that fulfilled it.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN was good, and definitely getting the DVD, just disappointed in that it seems to have been a early 2000s film somehow, probably in it's production design and relying more on studio back lots.

BRAVE was okay, it just wasn't really my thing in the end. I thought it was well done despite that.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Precisely. It's not a story like Watchmen where there has only been one interpretation and straying too much from that ruins everything (not saying Watchmen did, either... I really liked that film too). Batman is a consistent character in many respects, but there are still changes here and there throughout his history that have had to occur; the character must evolve with the times unless you're going to keep him stuck in a particular time period. And that's fine as long as the core stuff remains the same. Bruce hanging it up for Batman (temporarily, or for good) is not unheard of.

Yup. Batman has been one to always change with the times. Especially with a film and filmmaker, you cannot be afraid to do something that might be different from the comics. That's where movies and comics may differ. Now of course don't change fundamentals and basics, but to interpret your vision, don't be afraid to go to a place that's new. Nolan certainly did that with Bruce quitting being Batman. It has happened in the comics, but it's more understandable here because this movie had an ending, unlike the comics do.

It's just another interpretation is all.

 

[TheSpartanX54]

i've been reading comic books since i was 6. I like every single batmovie, including batman and robin.

what!

 

[Gianakin_]

What? Batman and Robin is a great movie for what it is. Great entertaining and replay value.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Plus it features a masterful performance by Michael Gough.

 

[Gianakin_]

Arnold, it's all about Arnold.