Most disappointing movie of 2012? (so far)

[Fanticon]

i'm gonna have to say that both tdkr and tas fell short but weren't disappointments entirely. im not sure why avengers is even on the list of options though. avengers wins 2012.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Am I the only one who loved everything about Bane? Lol.

 

[Hammer!]

Bane's voice was the key to his menacing actions -- it was stoic and imperial (as opposed to the typical tough guy or monstrous voice for a villain). I loved it. The voice reminded me of a crossbreed between Shredder and a classic Bond villain. The accent also added a certain charm and style to Bane (along with his outfits). To me, the voice only contributed to a fantastic and memorable villain.

As a big Bane fan, I have trouble comprehending your issue with his 'reveal' scene. It was methodical and high-octane. I will concede to his exit, however. It was very anti-climatic, but so was Loki's and the Chitauri's.

When coming to Selina Kyle, I'm sorry you didn't find her appealing and addictive. Anne Hathaway and The Nolans did a stellar job in creating Catwoman for this arc. The character was extremely well-done (although limited), and the execution was near perfect. Similar to 2008, alot of individuals who resorted to early criticisms (based on the casting) ate crow.

I'm glad that you liked the portrayal of one of your favorite villains, believe me I liked him too and thought he was a much stronger character than Bruce/Batman. But I respectfully disagree about the voice. It was one thing I didn't find intimidating about him; I thought Nolan had the chance to make a physically challenging villain, into an absolute brooding, sadistic menace.

I liked Anne, I gave Nolan the benefit of the doubt and she was great. The more I think about it, the reason I never really cared for her might have been how little she had to do with the bottom line. Remove her, the script flies almost the same.

Absolutely hated the ending, not gonna lie. Here we have Bane who was established as the embodiment of a human nuclear bomb, and then we totally just demolish that and make him a lackey to someone literally ten times less interesting. Wasn't the only thing I hated about the ending, but its near the top. I've seen arguments that it was a 50/50 partnership, but I've seen the film four times and I never got that. I really think it was Nolan's intention to make him her lackey. Nolan really dropped the ball towards the end IMO.

 

[Fanticon]

i loved hardy as bane. especially this part:

"Oh, you think darkness is your ally. You merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!"

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Hathaway is a talented and versatale actress who did something with that role that not many actresses would have and with skill that probably made actresses around her age jealous. The movie itself failed her by not intigrating her character in the story enough but she came out looking way better than Marion and Hardy. The former was wasted in a nothing role that shouldn't have existed and the latter was failed by terrible ADR, one not being able to understand him 50% of the time and the poorly done plot twist. I think Bale JGL and Hataway came out smelling like roses but the rest of the cast? Nah.

I disagree. Hardy was as impressive as Hathaway, Bale, and JGL were, in my opinion. Tom's eyes and physicality/body language were crucial to the role (since 80% of his face was covered by a mask), and he knocked it out of the ballpark. He infused the character with swagger and coercion even when he was preforming the simplest gesture or act.

Tom Hardy made Bane a striking villain.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'm glad that you liked the portrayal of one of your favorite villains, believe me I liked him too and thought he was a much stronger character than Bruce/Batman. But I respectfully disagree about the voice. It was one thing I didn't find intimidating about him; I thought Nolan had the chance to make a physically challenging villain, into an absolute brooding, sadistic menace.

Bane WAS a physically challenging, menacing and sadistic villain (much more than Loki). I don't what film you were watching but Nolan, Wally and Hardy made Bane a physical obstacle right from the start.

I liked Anne, I gave Nolan the benefit of the doubt and she was great. The more I think about it, the reason I never really cared for her might have been how little she had to do with the bottom line. Remove her, the script flies almost the same.

Severely disagree here. Selina Kyle played a prominent part in making Bruce feel alive once more. Without Selina, Bruce would've remained an empty shell of a man.

Absolutely hated the ending, not gonna lie. Here we have Bane who was established as the embodiment of a human nuclear bomb, and then we totally just demolish that and make him a lackey to someone literally ten times less interesting. Wasn't the only thing I hated about the ending, but its near the top. I've seen arguments that it was a 50/50 partnership, but I've seen the film four times and I never got that. I really think it was Nolan's intention to make him her lackey. Nolan really dropped the ball towards the end IMO.

I really don't see how you perceived Bane as Talia's lackey at all. Bane didn't answer to anyone like Loki did. Bane was his own man. Talia's story clearly indicated that. He was her protector/guardian, and was only loyal to her and her father's mission.

Keep in mind, Bane was excommunicated from The League for his 'radical' ways.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Am I the only one who loved everything about Bane? Lol.

Nope

 

[Hammer!]

Bane WAS a physically challenging, menacing and sadistic villain (much more than Loki). I don't what film you were watching but Nolan, Wally and Hardy made Bane a physical obstacle right from the start.


Severely disagree here. Selina Kyle played a prominent part in making Bruce feel alive once more. Without Selina, Bruce would've remained an empty shell of a man.

I really don't see how you perceived Bane as Talia's lackey at all. Bane didn't answer to anyone like Loki did. Bane was his own man. Talia's story clearly indicated that. He was her protector/guardian, and was only loyal to her and her father's mission.

Keep in mind, Bane was excommunicated from The League for his 'radical' ways.

I agree he was a great villain, but again I thought the voice was a bad fit IMO and I found it to make him a little less intimidating.

If Miranda was Miranda they could have replaced the Catwoman ending with her, and the film wouldn't have changed. I actually thought Bruce's faith in her was forced and laughable, considering she screwed him over over half the times he met her.

Lackey may be too strong a word, but the fact that he was "second in command" if that fits better for you, was still a disservice to everything the film led up to in my eyes. Loki is a completely different story since being a "lackey" is in complete sync with his character from Thor, etc. Don't know why your bringing him up.

 

[The Joker]

Bane was incomprehensible sometimes. There's still some lines he says that I can't make out, even after several viewings.

 

[AnneFan]

Severely disagree here. Selina Kyle played a prominent part in making Bruce feel alive once more. Without Selina, Bruce would've remained an empty shell of a man.

Definitely. She got Bruce back into living and at the end they both have a fresh start. Also, she is the personification of Bruce getting his faith rewarded for believing in the best of Gotham.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I agree he was a great villain, but again I thought the voice was a bad fit IMO and I found it to make him a little less intimidating.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree here. To me, the voice was a bold choice for Nolan and Hardy. Instead of making Bane sound like a growling monster, both Nolan and Hardy molded this aristocratic and calm tone which only aided in establishing Bane's unsettling personality.

If Miranda was Miranda they could have replaced the Catwoman ending with her, and the film wouldn't have changed. I actually thought Bruce's faith in her was forced and laughable, considering she screwed him over over half the times he met her.

Ummm, no. Miranda wasn't Selina.

The only reason Bruce shacked up with Miranda Tate was because he was vulnerable. Selina, however, in one swift encounter left Bruce tangled, amused and renewed. I don't see what's laughable about his faith in Selina. He read her like an open book, and knew she was a good person who was dealt a bad hand in life. Similar to Alfred, he looked past the errors and rough edges, and never gave up on the person's 'good nature'.

Lackey may be too strong a word, but the fact that he was "second in command" if that fits better for you, was still a disservice to everything the film led up to in my eyes. Loki is a completely different story since being a "lackey" is in complete sync with his character from Thor, etc. Don't know why your bringing him up.

Again, Bane was never 'second in command'. His ego clearly spoke freely when he mocked Bruce in the sewers ("I am The League of Shadows!"). In fact, his final act only supports my case as well. Bane went by his methods, and not by Talia's (even after she asked in letting Bruce live long enough to 'feel the fire').

Why? For comparison purposes. Loki was taking direct orders from Thanos, and in the process was given an army (Thor and Loki unmistakably discussed the 'deal' he made, and Coulson calls him out by questioning his convictions and will). However, not once in TDKR, was it implied that Bane was taking orders from anyone.

 

[warhorse78]

Easily, Prometheus. Only good thing about it was Fassbender and C-Section, other than that, I could care less about this movie, and probably will never watch it again. TAS would have to be runner up, surprisingly.

TDKR, I like it alot, and I am not disappointed in it, but I do think it's highly overrated. Same with The Hunger Games.

Loved The Avengers the most, and I also liked Bourne Legacy, MIB3 and Battleship. Rest, I haven't watched yet.

 

[Hammer!]

Then we'll have to agree to disagree here. To me, the voice was a bold choice for Nolan and Hardy. Instead of making Bane sound like a growling monster, both Nolan and Hardy molded this aristocratic and calm tone which only aided in establishing Bane's unsettling personality.



Ummm, no. Miranda wasn't Selina.

The only reason Bruce shacked up with Miranda Tate was because he was vulnerable. Selina, however, in one swift encounter left Bruce tangled, amused and renewed. I don't see what's laughable about his faith in Selina. He read her like an open book, and knew she was a good person who was dealt a bad hand in life. Similar to Alfred, he looked past the errors and rough edges, and never gave up on the person's 'good nature'.



Again, Bane was never 'second in command'. His ego clearly spoke freely when he mocked Bruce in the sewers ("I am The League of Shadows!"). In fact, his final act only supports my case as well. Bane went by his methods, and not by Talia's (even after she asked in letting Bruce live long enough to 'feel the fire').

Why? For comparison purposes. Loki was taking direct orders from Thanos, and in the process was given an army (Thor and Loki unmistakably discussed the 'deal' he made, and Coulson calls him out by questioning his convictions and will). However, not once in TDKR, was it implied that Bane was taking orders from anyone.

Last thing on the voice because I'm sick of having to defend my opinion on it. I didn't want him to have a voice similar to, "a growling monster", I simply wanted a darker, more menacing voice. To me, I thought they could have done a MUCH better job. And that's not even to mention much of his dialogue was inaudible; which sucks because Bane clearly had the best written dialogue.

I'm not arguing about your points on Catwoman, I liked her character. But I thought that her character was underused and pretty expendable to the plots bottom-line.

Movies are subjective, right? With that said I completely disagree with your analysis of Bane, I thought he was clearly second in command. The way he completely handed over control to Talia in the final situation taking orders from her and staying behind to basically die. This is similar to what he told one of his stooges during the prologue. So yeah, Bane did take orders from Talia in that instance. I've heard people like yourself say it was an equal partnership. I've tried to grasp that angle going into my last three viewings of the film, and I just don't see it. Talia took complete control of the situation, while Bane took a submissive role for the first time in the film. Given everything I've seen, I doubt that Nolan intended it to be an equal partnership, but if he did then he really did a poor job of representing that. Either way the movie would have been a lot better without her. Talia dragged the film's finale through the mud IMO

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Last thing on the voice because I'm sick of having to defend my opinion on it. I didn't want him to have a voice similar to, "a growling monster", I simply wanted a darker, more menacing voice. To me, I thought they could have done a MUCH better job. And that's not even to mention much of his dialogue was inaudible; which sucks because Bane clearly had the best written dialogue.

I'm not arguing about your points on Catwoman, I liked her character. But I thought that her character was underused and pretty expendable to the plots bottom-line.

Movies are subjective, right? With that said I completely disagree with your analysis of Bane, I thought he was clearly second in command. The way he completely handed over control to Talia in the final situation taking orders from her and staying behind to basically die. This is similar to what he told one of his stooges during the prologue. So yeah, Bane did take orders from Talia in that instance. I've heard people like yourself say it was an equal partnership. I've tried to grasp that angle going into my last three viewings of the film, and I just don't see it. Talia took complete control of the situation, while Bane took a submissive role for the first time in the film. Given everything I've seen, I doubt that Nolan intended it to be an equal partnership, but if he did then he really did a poor job of representing that. Either way the movie would have been a lot better without her. Talia dragged the film's finale through the mud IMO

I agree she should have never been in the movie. I never believed the Bruce/Tate relationship for one minute and I felt that Bale had way more chemistry with Hathaway. I would have loved a more intigrated Catwoman with Tate excised and as much as I loved his character and performance, I would have cut JGL's screentime a tad.

 

[warhorse78]

Hathaway is a talented and versatale actress who did something with that role that not many actresses would have and with skill that probably made actresses around her age jealous. The movie itself failed her by not intigrating her character in the story enough but she came out looking way better than Marion and Hardy. The former was wasted in a nothing role that shouldn't have existed and the latter was failed by terrible ADR, one not being able to understand him 50% of the time and the poorly done plot twist. I think Bale JGL and Hataway came out smelling like roses but the rest of the cast? Nah.

Trade Bale with Oldman, and then I agree with you. Actually, I liked most of the cast, except for Bale (always hated his Batman, but not the actor, I like Bale fine in other movies, just not as Batman) and, I got really tired of Cain in this, every scene he was in, all he did was complain or cry, please, give me a fing break. But, I could sit down and watch a movie with just Gordon, Catwoman, Blake and Bane, those were the characters that held my attention the most. I had a smile flicker on my face with the cameo of Cillian Murphy too.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Honestly, I was fine that we didn't get a well-developed relationship between Miranda and Bruce and I felt them sleeping with each other, while it didn't make much sense, is only a nod to them having sex in the comics and Talia becoming pregnant with Damian.

Bane was incomprehensible sometimes. There's still some lines he says that I can't make out, even after several viewings.

I have the script. Any time you want to know what Bane says, let me know and I'll tell you the lines.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Again, Bane was never 'second in command'. His ego clearly spoke freely when he mocked Bruce in the sewers ("I am The League of Shadows!"). In fact, his final act only supports my case as well. Bane went by his methods, and not by Talia's (even after she asked in letting Bruce live long enough to 'feel the fire').

Why? For comparison purposes. Loki was taking direct orders from Thanos, and in the process was given an army (Thor and Loki unmistakably discussed the 'deal' he made, and Coulson calls him out by questioning his convictions and will). However, not once in TDKR, was it implied that Bane was taking orders from anyone.

So if anything...Loki was much more of a lackey than Bane.

 

[Micromind]

Am I the only one who loved everything about Bane? Lol.

I liked everything about Bane.

 

[AnneFan]

When we see Bane shirtless in the sewer, when Gordon is brought to him, (it would have, but) I was thinking a bullet wouldn't have even hurt him. He was downright intimidating, and how he dispatches that first goon with ease made me think what Batman was in store for later on.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

As soon as I saw TASM I knew I liked Raimi's more, I thought the only thing TASM did better than Raimi's movie was the way Spidey moved, he was much more spider like. Other than that, give me Raimi's movie any day.

The thing is, I prefer Raimi's movies, but just quality-wise. If ASM had been a better movie, I would've preferred it much more because I already do prefer the vision that it's going for. They put in a lot of great details like making Spidey move more like a spider, but they also made missteps that ended up being the final product.

The old Bourne trilogy is great, though the first movie is the best one for me, havent seen the new one, not sure I want to after the dodgy reviews, even though I love the cast.

Personally, I thought Prometheus was amazing, no other movie has got into my head from this year like that movie did.

I did like Prometheus like I did with ASM, they both just underwhelmed me when I looked back on it.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Last thing on the voice because I'm sick of having to defend my opinion on it. I didn't want him to have a voice similar to, "a growling monster", I simply wanted a darker, more menacing voice. To me, I thought they could have done a MUCH better job. And that's not even to mention much of his dialogue was inaudible; which sucks because Bane clearly had the best written dialogue.

Thus the quote 'agree to disagree'. You didn't have to defend anything from that point, quite frankly. I made my point clear, and you made your displeasement known.

I'm not arguing about your points on Catwoman, I liked her character. But I thought that her character was underused and pretty expendable to the plots bottom-line.

Underused? I agree.

Expendable? Hardly.

Movies are subjective, right? With that said I completely disagree with your analysis of Bane, I thought he was clearly second in command. The way he completely handed over control to Talia in the final situation taking orders from her and staying behind to basically die.

Explain to me how Bane handed over 'control' to Talia? I would like to hear how you came to this conclusion.

And you do realize that both Bane and Talia had no intention of escaping the blast radius, right? I mean... hello? With less than 11 minutes left, how exactly was Talia going to evade the bomb when she's less than 15 feet away from it at all times?

This is similar to what he told one of his stooges during the prologue. So yeah, Bane did take orders from Talia in that instance. I've heard people like yourself say it was an equal partnership. I've tried to grasp that angle going into my last three viewings of the film, and I just don't see it. Talia took complete control of the situation, while Bane took a submissive role for the first time in the film. Given everything I've seen, I doubt that Nolan intended it to be an equal partnership, but if he did then he really did a poor job of representing that. Either way the movie would have been a lot better without her. Talia dragged the film's finale through the mud IMO

I don't see how Nolan poorly represented Bane's And Talia's partnership. Chris instantly made it obvious that there was no superior above Bane or Talia. Incidentally, you used the prologue as an example but you misinterpreted it. Both Bane and Talia intended to die on that fateful day. Neither one planned on escaping.

 

[Hammer!]

Thus the quote 'agree to disagree'. You didn't have to defend anything from that point, quite frankly. I made my point clear, and you made your displeasement known.



Underused? I agree.

Expendable? Hardly.



Explain to me how Bane handed over 'control' to Talia? I would like to hear how you came to this conclusion.

And you do realize that both Bane and Talia had no intention of escaping the blast radius, right? I mean... hello? With less than 11 minutes left, how exactly was Talia going to evade the bomb when she's less than 15 feet away from it at all times?



I don't see how Nolan poorly represented Bane's And Talia's partnership. Chris instantly made it obvious that there was no superior above Bane or Talia. Incidentally, you used the prologue as an example but you misinterpreted it. Both Bane and Talia intended to die on that fateful day. Neither one planned on escaping.

Lord I feel sorry for anyone else who expresses their disappointment for TDKR in this thread lol

I didn't misinterpret anything lol Yeah, I'm aware they both knew they were going to die, but Talia clearly took control of the situation and ordered Bane to stay while she went off to to the bomb. Basically she told Bane the exact same thing that Bane told one of his men in the prologue, to stay put and await imminent death. This sounds like a superior talking to their underling. Only Talia knew Batman's identity, she told Bane. Only Talia knew of the armoury, she told Bane. To me, it feels like Bane was just another grunt serving his master. You can keep on trying to convince me but, to me, Nolan clearly made Talia out to be Bane's superior. He only represented their partnership poorly if they had an equal partnership, which I believe they didn't. Either way Talia's involvement completely undermined Bane's character for me, and I really liked Bane up to this point. The final twenty minutes of this film was probably the worst twenty minutes I've seen from any Chris Nolan film.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Lord I feel sorry for anyone else who expresses their disappointment for TDKR in this thread lol

There's been several posters who have expressed their disappointments (including me). So please...

I didn't misinterpret anything lol Yeah, I'm aware they both knew they were going to die, but Talia clearly took control of the situation and ordered Bane to stay while she went off to to the bomb.

Talia never ordered Bane to stay behind. That's my point. It's just speculation on your part.

Basically she told Bane the exact same thing that Bane told one of his men in the prologue, to stay put and await imminent death.

Really? I doubt it.

"No! They're expecting one of us in the wreckage, brother."

Only Talia knew Batman's identity, she told Bane. Only Talia knew of the armoury, she told Bane.

More speculation. No empirical evidence.

To me, it feels like Bane was just another grunt serving his master. You can keep on trying to convince me but, to me, Nolan clearly made Talia out to be Bane's superior.

If that is what you choose to believe, then so be it but you've provided nothing substanial indicating otherwise.

 

[Hammer!]

There's been several posters who have expressed their disappointments (including me). So please...



Talia never ordered Bane to stay behind. That's my point. It's just speculation on your part.



Really? I doubt it.

"No! They're expecting one of us in the wreckage, brother."



More speculation. No empirical evidence.



If that is what you choose to believe, then so be it but you've provided nothing substanial indicating otherwise.

Looking back, I think we got way off track from my original point lol My biggest issue never was that Bane was second in command. It was that he was portrayed, like I've described previously, as a living embodiment of a bomb. Say that Bane and Talia were in on it 50/50, I still feel that her sudden involvement undermined Bane's character substantially. As someone who has enjoyed every film Nolan has put out, I feel comfortable saying that that was the biggest mistake I feel he's ever made. Although there was very little from the final fifteen minutes of the film I liked, eliminating Talia's character would have made the film significantly better. With that said, I still give it a 7/10. Not in my top ten superhero films, but definitely an honorable mention.

Perhaps you took exception to me calling Bane Talia's lackey. If that's the case your right, that was a definite overplay and wrong word choice. My bad on that part.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Looking back, I think we got way off track from my original point lol My biggest issue never was that Bane was second in command. It was that he was portrayed, like I've described previously, as a living embodiment of a bomb. Say that Bane and Talia were in on it 50/50, I still feel that her sudden involvement undermined Bane's character substantially. As someone who has enjoyed every film Nolan has put out, I feel comfortable saying that that was the biggest mistake I feel he's ever made. Although there was very little from the final fifteen minutes of the film I liked, eliminating Talia's character would have made the film significantly better. With that said, I still give it a 7/10. Not in my top ten superhero films, but definitely an honorable mention.

I remain unwavered by the addition of Talia. I don't see how she undermined Bane's character. Granted, Bane wasn't a 100% accurate from the Vengeance of Bane and Knightfall arcs, but The Nolans incorporated their themes (Pain and Consequences) with a 'personal' touch. Talia would have been a great bonus villain had the writing for the character matched the inspiration for the story, but Talia was lackluster and bland. The Nolans produced a nice little story (and bond) with Bane and Talia though. It gave Bane, albeit a complete madman, the only endearing shred of humanity in the entire film (on par with Ra's loss) -- and gave Bane's 'darker mirror' angle more of a foundation.

Perhaps you took exception to me calling Bane Talia's lackey. If that's the case your right, that was a definite overplay and wrong word choice. My bad on that part.

It's not that I took it personally, but I tend to debate that theory strongly because I just didn't see Bane below Talia in any way.