Ms. Marvel in the works? - Part 1

[Artistsean]

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That's the tack I would take too. You did good, and it's not surprising that your set up looks like a better version of Carol's current costume, as that was the tack they kinda took. The half-armor, I think, is a bit of a stroke of genius in particular, I think with the right color scheme, it'd be awesome. Obviously I'm biased towards the green and white, but I suspect it could work with others too.

Thank you, I am glad you liked it and understood what I was trying to do.

The suit with the armor pieces seems so generically boring to me like something out of 90's comics. Mar Vell is an alien and can almost wear whatever and it be acceptable the way you can do with Superman. Their aliens so they can deviate from our ideas and conventions. I say take advantage of that to give her a super hero look not some version that looks like itas designed by SHIELD. IM is no longer red but golden armored. She can be predominantly red and it go well with the rest of the Avengers, a supeehero team.

In my idea I also used elements from Thor and Loki's costumes. They are "aliens" and their armor looks alien. Its elaborate and intricate with designs. The warriors Three and Sig also had colorful armor too, like Mar-Vell would and what he would pass down to Carol. The darker almost blackish blue clothing part of the costume would be like Thor's pants. Thor wears dark cloth for pants that almost looks like some sort of leather. I based some of my idea off the Ultimate Mar-Vell design they used in the cartoon. And in that design, something I didn't get across fully, his armor was covered in glowing alien writing. Something I could see my design having too.

How about something likes this, as a starter outfit? Before she gets something more colorful down the road.

Thats what I was sort of going for too with my design. I used this as influence, and so did this costume:

Its part armor and part clothing. Like I mentioned, Thor wears cloth pants along with his "alien" armor.

I also did some variations on the colors. Such as a classic Green and silver one, and a version that is mostly red with some blue (pretend its dark blackish blue) armor.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I think the main problem i have with you design is its to bulky and clunky looking for a female super heroin. i liked nathans suggestion because its feminine and functional as well as bieing far enough from the team, and bw especially, while still looking like it would fit in. With some work on nathans design i could see it working easily.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think the main problem i have with you design is its to bulky and clunky looking for a female super heroin. i liked nathans suggestion because its feminine and functional as well as bieing far enough from the team, and bw especially, while still looking like it would fit in. With some work on nathans design i could see it working easily.

Well bulky isn't just the only problem. No matter how Artistsean tries to colour it, it's just the combination of those particular design elements which I don't like. It still looks like a 90s X-Men jacket no matter how much he says it's an armour or tries to rationalise things. Yes, it might take bits from the Ultimate Captain Marvel, but that looks different (ie it doesn't look like a jacket) and is a man's costume as well.

Artistsean, you are a great artist, but I think you've become so personally attached to and invested in your own design (because you did it of course) that you keep clinging to it and can't quite see it objectively. There are plenty of great comic artists who have come up with some questionable costume designs.

One advantage I see that Nathan's suggestion has over yours is that she's got that domino mask and long hair going on. Yes, people dismiss the domino mask, but that makes her instantly recognisable and why even Nathan's suggestion still looked like some variation of Ms Marvel. Artistsean, yours just doesn't I'm sorry to say.

I think you just need to redesign the costume and make it more streamlined and forget about that armour "jacket" with the chest circle and those big bulky gauntlets and the helmet. Even the presence of the star on her chest doesn't really scream Ms Marvel on its own. If you hadn't told me it was Ms Marvel I wouldn't have ever guessed it. I would've thought it looked like one of the Starjammers or some other X-Men related character (and I know Binary was related to them, but it doesn't look like Binary either).

Sorry if this is a rather harsh criticism, but you've been promoting it for weeks or months even, and as time has gone on, it still doesn't look like Ms Marvel at all.

 

[Artistsean]

Thank you for speaking for the entire internet. Its a tough job, the pay is lousy, but someone has to do it.
Just kidding.
[BLACKOUT]But some things people I think have to realize. We wont get a domino mask in the Carol Danvers Captain Marvel movie, for one no character in the Marvel movies has one and will ever, and because she doesn't have one in the comics anymore.
I was mearly reminding some, who said the star made her look like a space Captain America, that Captain Mar-Vell and her current costume have that star. And reminding others the thought process that went into my idea. Your allowed to not like it, thats fine. Too bulky. I get that. But I am promoting it because I think its a good idea.
Plus look at how they chose the designs for the Avengers characters.
Earth bound heroes like Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Fury, Hill, (besides Iron Man) are cloth and spandex, and straps, and earthly materials. The "aliens" like Thor, the Warriors Three, Loki, the Chtari (or whatever the alien invaders were called) and [BLACKOUT]Thanos[/BLACKOUT], and that hooded guy who helped Loki, were armored and had intricate designs to their armor. If this all starts with Kree soldiers and Captain Mar-Vell, he will most likely be armored. Most likely he will be the Ultimate version like the Avengers cartoon used. And when he passes his powers to Carol I can see the movies keeping a similar costume design for her to remind the audience that she is connected to Mar-Vell and the Kree aliens.
I think most likely we will get the Ultimate version because a spandex clad alien superhero might seem too silly compared to an armored alien soldier. And when they designed Hawkeye for the movie they went with the Ultimate design because his design in the comics was too unrealistic.
My design might not be recognizable, to the comics sure, and I get that they would probably want her design to look more like her current design, but she is also never been in the movies and neither has Captain Mar-Vell. If this design, my idea or another idea, pops up in the movies that will be the design people are more familiar with and would recognize her as.
The armored jacket is actually lifted straight from the Ultimate Mar-Vell design that they used in the Avenges cartoon and will most likely use in the movies if they ever make one. The star isn't meant to scream Ms. Marvel, but scream Captain Marvel. Because I think the movies will jump from Captain Mar-Vell straight to Carol becoming Captain Marvel.[/BLACKOUT]
Thank you for your critique and ideas, if I do get around to working on this again I might fix it up some, streamline it and what not. Mostly I will probably detail this idea so my ideas are more visible and I wont have to explain them.

 

[DrCosmic]

The suit with the armor pieces seems so generically boring to me like something out of 90's comics. Mar Vell is an alien and can almost wear whatever and it be acceptable the way you can do with Superman. Their aliens so they can deviate from our ideas and conventions. I say take advantage of that to give her a super hero look not some version that looks like itas designed by SHIELD. IM is no longer red but golden armored. She can be predominantly red and it go well with the rest of the Avengers, a supeehero team.

We know IM changes Marks every movie, so there's no telling that he'll be gold in Avengers 2. But yeah, they can give Carol Mar-Vell's silver age styled costume, but that doesn't satisfy the 'look like Ms. Marvel' people or the 'stand out from the rest of the Avengers' people.

One advantage I see that Nathan's suggestion has over yours is that she's got that domino mask and long hair going on. Yes, people dismiss the domino mask, but that makes her instantly recognisable and why even Nathan's suggestion still looked like some variation of Ms Marvel. Artistsean, yours just doesn't I'm sorry to say.

I think you just need to redesign the costume and make it more streamlined and forget about that armour "jacket" with the chest circle and those big bulky gauntlets and the helmet. Even the presence of the star on her chest doesn't really scream Ms Marvel on its own. If you hadn't told me it was Ms Marvel I wouldn't have ever guessed it. I would've thought it looked like one of the Starjammers or some other X-Men related character (and I know Binary was related to them, but it doesn't look like Binary either).

Sorry if this is a rather harsh criticism, but you've been promoting it for weeks or months even, and as time has gone on, it still doesn't look like Ms Marvel at all.

I think if we were to look at the pictures objectively, we'd find the armors are similarly bulky and the hair is equally long. I don't think this is a function of Sean's personal investment in his art, as opposed to some fans' personal obsession with Ms. Marvel's black costume, to the point that a domino mask - which still makes no sense on any level in live action - may cause them to think the hair is longer and the armor slimmer.

I don't think we'll see Ms. Marvel. Marvel has figured out that the costume, even the name, doesn't really make any sense based on her story and personality. If it just comes down a domino mask, I'm sure they could come up with some electronic visor/heads up display that evokes that feeling that she could wear. Is that what you're talking about when you say 'looking like Ms. Marvel?'

 

[Hawkingbird]

In all honestly, I doubt there will be a Ms.Marvel movie

 

[Panthro]

In all honestly, I doubt there will be a Ms.Marvel movie

More than likely. Best case scenario is that she may eventually join the Avengers in a sequel.

 

[DrCosmic]

I really don't think they're going to introduce people and give them powers in Avengers movies, there's just too much going on with the team up effects. If she doesn't get brought in from the TV show, we'll likely never see her on screen.

but it's nice to dream about a film, right? It's still a possibility, as they have a script.

 

[spideymouse]

I really don't think they're going to introduce people and give them powers in Avengers movies, there's just too much going on with the team up effects. If she doesn't get brought in from the TV show, we'll likely never see her on screen.

That kind of makes me hope that very few superhumans show up on the show, especially ones I'd want to see on the big screen at some point. There are certain characters, however, who could probably easily show up in movies in bit roles/cameos, if they wanted to tie it all together. Anyway, that's for a different thread.

but it's nice to dream about a film, right? It's still a possibility, as they have a script.

Yeah, I like discussing the potential for a Ms. Marvel movie, despite how often the discussion goes back to the costume. What I just don't understand is the hate that this thread gets. No, Ms. Marvel is not currently in the works. No, she's not one of Marvel's six most popular superheroes. But so what?

 

[KangConquers]

I really don't think they're going to introduce people and give them powers in Avengers movies, there's just too much going on with the team up effects. If she doesn't get brought in from the TV show, we'll likely never see her on screen.

but it's nice to dream about a film, right? It's still a possibility, as they have a script.

I've seen no proof that there's a script, save for one tweet, that caused a rumor, that was squashed days later.

 

[Artistsean]

I really don't think they're going to introduce people and give them powers in Avengers movies, there's just too much going on with the team up effects. If she doesn't get brought in from the TV show, we'll likely never see her on screen.

but it's nice to dream about a film, right? It's still a possibility, as they have a script.

That makes me wonder. Will the SHIELD tv show deal with SWORD and aliens? Or just Earthly stuff like AIM and Hydra? Or maybe more super villain eartly stuff like Absorbing Man?

So will Sharon be a SWORD agent (something started in the Avengers cartoon, but makes total sense) or will she just be a SHIELD agent? Thats if she is introduced on the show, which seems like the best time to do it. If she is only a SHIELD agent I guess she could still end up meeting Mar-Vell. Should SWORD be part of the SHIELD TV show too? It was created by Whedon too.

 

[DrCosmic]

I've seen no proof that there's a script, save for one tweet, that caused a rumor, that was squashed days later.

I don't remember any rumor being squashed. And I can't find any official word on Ms. Marvel anywhere.

That kind of makes me hope that very few superhumans show up on the show, especially ones I'd want to see on the big screen at some point. There are certain characters, however, who could probably easily show up in movies in bit roles/cameos, if they wanted to tie it all together. Anyway, that's for a different thread.
Yeah, I like discussing the potential for a Ms. Marvel movie, despite how often the discussion goes back to the costume. What I just don't understand is the hate that this thread gets. No, Ms. Marvel is not currently in the works. No, she's not one of Marvel's six most popular superheroes. But so what?

I feel you on that. I do mind the costume conversation a bit, but it's survivable, as long as the discussion is moving forward. When it does, it eventually gets to other topics. I suspect though, we'll see superhumans on the show to cause problems, to underscore how the characters are underdogs.

That makes me wonder. Will the SHIELD tv show deal with SWORD and aliens? Or just Earthly stuff like AIM and Hydra? Or maybe more super villain eartly stuff like Absorbing Man?

So will Sharon be a SWORD agent (something started in the Avengers cartoon, but makes total sense) or will she just be a SHIELD agent? Thats if she is introduced on the show, which seems like the best time to do it. If she is only a SHIELD agent I guess she could still end up meeting Mar-Vell. Should SWORD be part of the SHIELD TV show too? It was created by Whedon too.

I think a SHIELD TV show would start with HYDRA and AIM in Season 1 and maybe add Aliens in slowly during Season 2, and from there SWORD might start as a department, but then grow to be a full blown branch agency. That's how I'd do it anyway, SWORD has to come from somewhere, we might as well see it start up.

For Carol, she could be kinda the lead agent when it comes to dealing with aliens or whatever. Could be cool.

 

[Artistsean]

I think a SHIELD TV show would start with HYDRA and AIM in Season 1 and maybe add Aliens in slowly during Season 2, and from there SWORD might start as a department, but then grow to be a full blown branch agency. That's how I'd do it anyway, SWORD has to come from somewhere, we might as well see it start up.

For Carol, she could be kinda the lead agent when it comes to dealing with aliens or whatever. Could be cool.

Sounds good. I could also see SWORD come in as early as Avengers 2. Fury already mentioned in Avengers 1 how they started creating weapons using the cosmic cube and Hydra weapons after Thor showed up, because of Thor and Loki and Hulk and Abomination and Spider-Man and Ant Man and Loki's invading alien army and the possibility of even greater powers out in the unknown I could see Fury or his bosses creating SWORD at the start of Avengers 2 to combat the growing threats. New York has already been invaded by aliens. the public will be scared, SHIELD could feasibly be already working on that front.

 

[metaphysician]

I still like my "modified Pacific Rim flight suit" idea.

 

[DrCosmic]

And it's still a very good one.

 

[KangConquers]

I don't remember any rumor being squashed. And I can't find any official word on Ms. Marvel anywhere.

Basically the rumor was started based on a tweet, saying that Joe Quesada had announced there was a Ms. Marvel script. It was later debunked based on accounts of other attendees.

We've heard much more about movies for Doctor Strange, Black Panther, The Inhumans, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and even Ka-Zar, than Ms. Marvel. The problem is no one wants to talk about how Doctor Strange (or an actor portraying him) would look in a one piece and thigh highs, thus why this thread (and the one before it) has nearly as many posts as the entire forums for GoTG and Ant-Man, which have actually been announced.

 

[Artistsean]

I want to see her in a solo film because there is a lot of story that they couldn't smash into the Avengers. Just like they had to cut Cap walking around New York, they wouldn't be able to show the full story. There is enough there for a full story. What would her character arc be in the first film? If she is already a tough SHIELD/SWORD agent and then becomes Captain Marvel, what arc can her character have? Peter learned about power/responsibility, Iron Man learned that nothing mattered by helping others, Thor learned that its not all about him. Captain America learned something too, but he started out as a good guy. What would Carol learn?
Maybe it would depend on what the film was about and what happened in the film, but if she is going to meet Kree aliens and help Mar-Vell maybe it could be her realizing that aliens aren't automatically bad guys. Maybe her eyes are opened to seeing that life is more than what happens on Earth.
Or maybe its all about her proving she is as capable as any male SHIELD agent?
Or perhaps she isn't as self assured as she ends up being, maybe she starts out as an insecure doubter.
I don't see it being about that, we all know what Carol is like now. Not many know what she was like then, but I am curious what you guys think her character arc should be?

This could also determine who her rogues gallery enemies would be. Personally, and without considering her character arc, I want to see hjer fight Moonstone (sort of her evil clone type enemy), Kree rogue soldiers, maybe Skrulls, any thoughts about this?

 

[DrCosmic]

Basically the rumor was started based on a tweet, saying that Joe Quesada had announced there was a Ms. Marvel script. It was later debunked based on accounts of other attendees.

Wow. I remember that argument now. I kept pointing out that she said it was said offstage but people kept saying that because it was shown to not be said onstage that the rumor was debunked. Ugh.

We've heard much more about movies for Doctor Strange, Black Panther, The Inhumans, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and even Ka-Zar, than Ms. Marvel. The problem is no one wants to talk about how Doctor Strange (or an actor portraying him) would look in a one piece and thigh highs, thus why this thread (and the one before it) has nearly as many posts as the entire forums for GoTG and Ant-Man, which have actually been announced.

Y'know... I think we should talk about how an actor would look in a one piece and thigh highs then. Who wants to Photoshop Patrick Dempsey and Viggo Mortensen into swimsuits? Anybody? Don't all rush at once.

 

[Chewy]

If people wanted to talk about Dr. Strange they'd post in the Dr. Strange thread. Kind of telling that no one does, no?

The Black Panther and Daredevil threads have no shortage of posts, either

 

[KangConquers]

I guess my argument personally against a Ms. Marvel movie is compared to Doctor Strange, Black Panther, etc she has very little to offer, save chopping up other franchises (F4, GoTG, Inhumans, Captain Mar-Vell) and piece mealing them to her.

She doesn't offer a unique cinematic experience on her own, and while I do think a lot of the ideas that posters are bandying around have potential, I'd rather see characters like Doctor Strange get films first, and Ms. Marvel get one down the road.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I guess my argument personally against a Ms. Marvel movie is compared to Doctor Strange, Black Panther, etc she has very little to offer, save chopping up other franchises (F4, GoTG, Inhumans, Captain Mar-Vell) and piece mealing them to her.

She doesn't offer a unique cinematic experience on her own, and while I do think a lot of the ideas that posters are bandying around have potential, I'd rather see characters like Doctor Strange get films first, and Ms. Marvel get one down the road.

I agree 100%

 

[KangConquers]

I agree 100%

Not to divide up into tiers and such, but to me, prioritizing Ms. Marvel over Doctor Strange would be like prioritizing Doctor Strange over Captain America, or Captain America over Spider-Man. There has to be a pecking order based on depth of catalog, etc, and Ms. Marvel falls pretty far down the list, probably outside of Marvel's top 20 solo heroes.

I'm not saying she doesn't deserve a film, it just shouldn't be nearly top priority.

 

[Artistsean]

I guess my argument personally against a Ms. Marvel movie is compared to Doctor Strange, Black Panther, etc she has very little to offer, save chopping up other franchises (F4, GoTG, Inhumans, Captain Mar-Vell) and piece mealing them to her.

She doesn't offer a unique cinematic experience on her own, and while I do think a lot of the ideas that posters are bandying around have potential, I'd rather see characters like Doctor Strange get films first, and Ms. Marvel get one down the road.

The reason I think Carol Should be prioratized is because Marvel needs a powerful female lead in a movie, a movie about a female hero. So far we have Black Widow in the Avengers and she is great in my opinion. But it would be great to get a female hero on Thor's or Iron Man's power level. Plus her cinematic experience would be very alien and cosmic. Something Marvel hasn't exactly done yet. Sure Thor has been sort of Cosmic, but its meant to be in Asgard. Carol's story would be on Earth and in space and deal with space aliens. It would be unique enough I think.
I understand what you mean about prioritizing, there are movies I want more than hers too. I just think that they could do more than just one or two movies at a time maybe. Maybe she could get a movie at the same time as a few others like Namor and Dr. Strange.
She would be a great female role model for young girls, and maybe help bring young girls into reading comics more. Plus if the movie is successful enough, and if they haven't already started in the comics, she could be brought to the forefront of Marvel comics and become one of their big characters like Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, Wolverine, and Spider-Man.
Most Marvel female heroes are either on a team or are offshoots of male heroes, Carol sort of included. Hulk and She Hulk, Invisible Woman is on the FF, Jean and Storm are X-Men. But Carol's male counterpart Mar-Vell was killed off long ago and most don't know any stories about him besides his death. So they could make her the star right away and sort of rewrite history to make her the lead and Mar-Vell sort of like Abin Surr a little (a way to get Carol to be Captain Marvel). Not saying they should forget Mar-Vell, just that they wouldn't have to make one movie about him to make a spin off about Carol. Marvel needs a female lead in both the movies and their comics, and I think this would at the very least help with that.

What about her character arc in the movie? Where should her character start and where should it end up?

 

[KangConquers]

The reason I think Carol Should be prioratized is because Marvel needs a powerful female lead in a movie, a movie about a female hero. So far we have Black Widow in the Avengers and she is great in my opinion. But it would be great to get a female hero on Thor's or Iron Man's power level. Plus her cinematic experience would be very alien and cosmic. Something Marvel hasn't exactly done yet. Sure Thor has been sort of Cosmic, but its meant to be in Asgard. Carol's story would be on Earth and in space and deal with space aliens. It would be unique enough I think.
I understand what you mean about prioritizing, there are movies I want more than hers too. I just think that they could do more than just one or two movies at a time maybe. Maybe she could get a movie at the same time as a few others like Namor and Dr. Strange.
She would be a great female role model for young girls, and maybe help bring young girls into reading comics more. Plus if the movie is successful enough, and if they haven't already started in the comics, she could be brought to the forefront of Marvel comics and become one of their big characters like Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, Wolverine, and Spider-Man.
Most Marvel female heroes are either on a team or are offshoots of male heroes, Carol sort of included. Hulk and She Hulk, Invisible Woman is on the FF, Jean and Storm are X-Men. But Carol's male counterpart Mar-Vell was killed off long ago and most don't know any stories about him besides his death. So they could make her the star right away and sort of rewrite history to make her the lead and Mar-Vell sort of like Abin Surr a little (a way to get Carol to be Captain Marvel). Not saying they should forget Mar-Vell, just that they wouldn't have to make one movie about him to make a spin off about Carol. Marvel needs a female lead in both the movies and their comics, and I think this would at the very least help with that.

What about her character arc in the movie? Where should her character start and where should it end up?

Ms. Marvel isn't Wonder Woman. She doesn't have a history of 70 years worth of stories, and she's not one of Marvel's top heroes. There are several other characters with a lot more to offer, in terms of distinctive story, history, power set, personality, and designs.

I understand your position on a great role model for young girls, but she won't be any less of a role model if they release her film after Doctor Strange, Black Panther and Namor.

 

[Human Torch]

Not to divide up into tiers and such, but to me, prioritizing Ms. Marvel over Doctor Strange would be like prioritizing Doctor Strange over Captain America, or Captain America over Spider-Man. There has to be a pecking order based on depth of catalog, etc, and Ms. Marvel falls pretty far down the list, probably outside of Marvel's top 20 solo heroes.

I'm not saying she doesn't deserve a film, it just shouldn't be nearly top priority.

I would agree with this,but GOTG kinda shifts that arguement slightly.No offence but there are a TON of other characters that deserve a film appearence before them.If GOTG gets a film before Strange,BP,Etc,then there is no real "order" to the MCU.