New Thor Villain

[TheCorpulent1]

Bringing a member of Those Who Sit Above in Shadow down to be an antagonist for Thor would be cool.

I agree on Loki. If Thor is actually going to recreate Asgard and all of its inhabitants but retain his full power, nothing short of cosmic dudes like Galactus and the Celestials are going to be much of a match for him, let alone Loki. Vartha claimed that the plan is for an Odin-like Rune Thor to coexist with a more traditionally powered "avatar Thor," but I have yet to hear official confirmation on that. What if Rune Thor needed to give his power to Asgard and its people in order to resurrect them? That would bring him down to a more manageable power level for mainstream interaction and, if each of the gods has a little bit of the Odinpower and rune magic in them, a recreated Loki should easily be a match for Thor.

Thor has to beat up Rhino in the first 3 issues. Its a rule now.

The Wrecking Crew would also be acceptable.

 

[Darthphere]

Or Taskmaster.

 

[Still A ThorFan]

But Joey said we've already been introduced to him and don't even know it yet.

What if it is Clor? Lets pretend Tony rebuilds him for whatever reason, being that Clor has a mind of his own he decides to run a muk, tricks and confuses some people along the way Thor has to stop him and there you go.

Or to make it more interesting Loki boost his power level or something like that, I don't know but if enough creativity is put in it, I think it would work. I loved Clor! LOL

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Tony rebuilds Clor and Thor smashes Clor, but Thor gets so pissed at Tony's betrayal that he declares Tony his enemy.

 

[Sloth7d]

Tony would be eatin alive by Thor.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Tony's got a bunch of expendable no-names with powers to hide behind now, plus he and his armor have been massively upgraded lately. He's still no match for Rune Thor, but Thor at his classic power level? Tony'd probably make a decent stand against him.

 

[Sloth7d]

Yeah, until Thor lunges his hammer through him at sound speed.

 

[The Question]

Perhaps this new villain is from mythology. Not Norse mythology, but some other culture. While it's unlikely, the biblical demon Legion would make a nice villain. Could be an evil version of Crazy Jane: Hundreds of different personalities, and each personality has it's own set of super powers.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ew, I kind of hope they keep the biblical stuff out of Thor's comics. There are plenty of other mythologies available that people unanimously agree are silly.

I would love to see some more of the Marvel pantheons, though. We've seen the barest hints of Hindu, Celtic, Chinese, Native American, and other pantheons in that coalition of skyfathers that Zeus and Odin and later King Thor were part of. Ares' mini-series and Thor: Blood Oath showed us that the myths of other cultures are full of great stories just waiting to be explored.

 

[The Question]

Ew, I kind of hope they keep the biblical stuff out of Thor's comics. There are plenty of other mythologies available that people unanimously agree are silly.

1) It was just something I thought of off the top of my head. Doesn't have to be Legion.

2) What does wether or not people think something's silly have anything to do with it being in a Thor comic?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I meant the biblical aspect might create some waves. A lot of people take that stuff very seriously, and the last thing I want is religious groups protesting Thor for casting aspects of the Bible in a mythological light or something. It's unlikely, granted, since comics aren't exactly mainstream at this point, but still.

 

[Sloth7d]

Thor vs Moses the five part saga.
Let he who is without sin kick the first ass.

 

[PinnyPed]

Ya know who'd I'd like to see come back as a Thor villain, even though he's dead...Walker from the Captain Marvel (genis) two-parter with Thor and Thanos. Now there's a villainous dude that died too soon.

 

[The Question]

I meant the biblical aspect might create some waves. A lot of people take that stuff very seriously, and the last thing I want is religious groups protesting Thor for casting aspects of the Bible in a mythological light or something. It's unlikely, granted, since comics aren't exactly mainstream at this point, but still.

If DC can have John Constantine flip off Jesus, Jesse Custer try and kill God, The Spectre inquiring as to wether or not there were homosexuals in heaven, a fallen Angel as a member of the Justice League, a solo series about The Devil himself, and Green Arrow chilling in Heaven with a bunch of dead famous people and comic book characters without the roof coming down on their heads, then Marvel can have Thor fight a Biblical demon.

 

[Alex Summers]

Maybe it's Cytorrak or Mephisto.

 

[NinjinSteve]

When Joe Q said that the first thing that popped into my head was Dr. Doom.........

I mean I haven't read it since it came out like a year ago but didn't something happen to Doom with the Hammer when it broke him out of hell......? Or am i just imagining that?

 

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

If DC can have John Constantine flip off Jesus, Jesse Custer try and kill God, The Spectre inquiring as to wether or not there were homosexuals in heaven, a fallen Angel as a member of the Justice League, a solo series about The Devil himself, and Green Arrow chilling in Heaven with a bunch of dead famous people and comic book characters without the roof coming down on their heads, then Marvel can have Thor fight a Biblical demon.

Don't get to read much DC, but that sounds hilarious.

For Thor, I wouldn't mind just a regular inhabitant of Asgard takin extra Odinforce at the rebirth, and rebelling against his king. Or something like that.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

But did he not say this would be a new villain. SO does that not eliminate Loki and other traditional Thor villains?

 

[Miss Webb]

But Joey said we've already been introduced to him and don't even know it yet.

What if it is Clor? Lets pretend Tony rebuilds him for whatever reason, being that Clor has a mind of his own he decides to run a muk, tricks and confuses some people along the way Thor has to stop him and there you go.

Or to make it more interesting Loki boost his power level or something like that, I don't know but if enough creativity is put in it, I think it would work. I loved Clor! LOL

Actually Loki's no slouch in the power department, and actually his power had grown over the years. Kirby in spots made him awful and awesome, but Walt Simonson took him to a new level of sinister. Odin could best him in sorcery, but not anyone else in Asgard. Maybe Karnilla, they were near equal but her Norn sorcery is different. I always felt Loki was under utilized on a cosmic scale, mostly because the writers were obsessed with Thanos and/or Mephisto or whoever the 'evil of the universe' was at the time. He's got great depth and interest as a character. I'll be interested to see if his motivations are any different now that he and Thor are the current survivors of the last age of Asgard. At one time (waaay back) his power even made Steven Strange pause when he tore 'the purple dimension.' It wasn't drawn overly impressive, but the feat was. Then over time Loki was scaled back into the buffoon wanna be status (even his helmet looked like a clown harlequin). Always trying and failing to best Thor. It got old. Then Simonson came along and revitilized the mythic aspect to the asgardians but in modern format. Thor had long ditched the shakespearan dialog by then anyway (for you purists who may have forgotten). One of the more impressive runs of Loki was in the Alpha Flight series, where he granted mutants additional power (when they challenged him he told them to 'take care' calling them "little" gods, lol.)

BTW, I believe the 'gods in shadow' were all destroyed, unless one managed to survive. It would be interesting to find out their connection to the asgardians. Ive often speculated they were the first asgardians that escaped to another dimension and fed off their brethren.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Any discussion about Loki's power level should include the fact that he single-handedly held Surtur at bay after Surtur had all but destroyed Asgard entirely, buying enough time for Thor and Odin to recover enough to pitch in and eventually drive Surtur back. This is the same Surtur who killed Odin later on and finally destroyed Asgard altogether during the last Ragnarok. Loki is definitely no pushover in the power department. I'd say he and Karnilla are about equal in magic power, and they're second only to Odin himself.

Ya know who'd I'd like to see come back as a Thor villain, even though he's dead...Walker from the Captain Marvel (genis) two-parter with Thor and Thanos. Now there's a villainous dude that died too soon.

I don't think I read the arc he was originally in, but I looked up a bio and he seems pretty cool. It'd be a cool arc if Death (the cosmic embodiment) gathered up a bunch of the lesser death gods like Walker, Hela, Pluto, etc. and launched a massive attack on the universe. That's probably way too big a scale for anytime soon, though.

When Joe Q said that the first thing that popped into my head was Dr. Doom.........

I mean I haven't read it since it came out like a year ago but didn't something happen to Doom with the Hammer when it broke him out of hell......? Or am i just imagining that?

Dr. Doom hitched a ride out of his hell dimension when Mjolnir passed through on its way to Earth. He figured that gave him some kind of connection to the hammer, but when he tried to lift it he obviously wasn't worthy enough. Then he abandoned the hammer and ran away from the Fantastic Four, which was pretty sad. I could see Doom continuing to try and claim Mjolnir for himself and become a recurring villain for Thor that way.

 

[The Geek Vault]

What about Fenris? or Balder?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Presumably they'll turn up once Asgard is recreated.

Fenris brings up an interesting question, though. When JMS says "Asgard" will be floating over Oklahoma, does that mean just the city or the entire realm? Both are called Asgard and both, I believe, were destroyed in the last Ragnarok. If the whole realm is now floating over Earth, I imagine Thor is going to have to do some major policing to keep giants and trolls and all other manner of Asgardian baddies from hopping down to Earth and wreaking havoc.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Balder a villain.....he is the God of Light and was the epitomy of all that was good

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt Balder would come back as a villain. It'd be pretty obnoxious, especially since he'd been stuck in the background for so long. The only thing Jurgens ever really did with Balder was have him betray Thor in the "The Reigning." Before that, the last interesting thing I can recall involving him is when he was made king of Asgard during DeFalco's run, way back in the vol. 1 #390's.

 

[The Question]

Honestly, I think Balder should be the one to bring Asgard back. That was his function post Ragnarok in the myths, and his immunity to violent/accidental death could mean that he survived Ragnarok in the comics.