No Time To Die (Bond 25)

[Schlosser85]

John Boyega as Bond? Lmao.

 

[Sawyer]

Boyega's good, but he reads on-screen like he's barely over drinking age.

So, where he's concerned, no to 007 and no to John Stewart.

 

[Bruce Malone]

When Tom Cruise's most sucesful MI films have come out with him in his 50s is Elba really too old to headline a franchise?

 

[TheVileOne]

When Tom Cruise's most sucesful MI films have come out with him in his 50s is Elba really too old to headline a franchise?

It doesn't really disprove my point because Tom Cruise was cast as Ethan Hunt over 22 years ago when he was like 32-33. And that's been a franchise with longevity.

Craig was cast as James Bond in what? 2005? So over 13 years. And he's just turning 50 now for his fifth and likely final time at bat. However, the films have also acknowledged Bond's getting older and dealing with the frailties and wear and tear that come with the job.

Roger Moore is probably the oldest actor cast as Bond and was probably a similar age to Elba now. But with Moore, you could tell he was starting to get long in the tooth toward his later films and it just wasn't working.

And Elba looks great for his age. He looks like he takes care of himself. Not saying he'd age like Roger Moore, but in this case it's generally better to cast someone who can age up with it a little bit.

 

[Bruce Malone]

It doesn't really disprove my point because Tom Cruise was cast as Ethan Hunt over 22 years ago when he was like 32-33. And that's been a franchise with longevity.

Craig was cast as James Bond in what? 2005? So over 13 years. And he's just turning 50 now for his fifth and likely final time at bat. However, the films have also acknowledged Bond's getting older and dealing with the frailties and wear and tear that come with the job.

Roger Moore is probably the oldest actor cast as Bond and was probably a similar age to Elba now. But with Moore, you could tell he was starting to get long in the tooth toward his later films and it just wasn't working.

And Elba looks great for his age. He looks like he takes care of himself. Not saying he'd age like Roger Moore, but in this case it's generally better to cast someone who can age up with it a little bit.

The 45-50 year old Hollywood actor of today is in much better shape than the ones from 30 years ago.

Moore's idea of trying to retain a youthful look was getting a botched facelift. Guys like Elba, Cruise, Diesel, the Rock, Batista are all health and gym fanatics.

Age is really becoming nothing but a number (for male actors at least...)

 

[Mysteryman]

So all this is coming from the mouth of Antoine Fuqua and not actually Barbara Broccoli, and there's no direct quote of Broccoli saying Elba is the frontrunner.

Here is all that Fuqua actually says:





Sorry doesn't sound like a firm commitment either way that they are wanting to cast Elba int he role.

It's just a casual conversation being used as clickbait.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's just a casual conversation being used as clickbait.

Yeah, and it was at some sort of random technology event. And there's no direct quote from the actual Bond producers saying anything like this.

And yet Esquire still picked it up. It's almost like some clickbait websites think they can will such a scenario into reality.

 

[TheVileOne]

The 45-50 year old Hollywood actor of today is in much better shape than the ones from 30 years ago.

Moore's idea of trying to retain a youthful look was getting a botched facelift. Guys like Elba, Cruise, Diesel, the Rock, Batista are all health and gym fanatics.

Age is really becoming nothing but a number (for male actors at least...)

Well are we sure those dudes have never gotten work done? Just saying

Cruise is 56. Wouldn't surprise me if it was ever revealed he went under the knife more than once for some cosmetic lifts.

 

[Dark Raven]

Agreed. Give it to somebody young like John Boyega to carry the franchise for years.

John Boyega is too old. Give it to someone like Aubrey Joseph from Cloak and Dagger or Rhenzy Feliz from Runaways.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Well are we sure those dudes have never gotten work done? Just saying

Cruise is 56. Wouldn't surprise me if it was ever revealed he went under the knife more than once for some cosmetic lifts.

Oh I'm sure he has but the plastic surgery is better today too lol.

Moore admitted his face lift was a wreck though.

 

[TheVileOne]

OK, since people are talking about female Bond. Let's put it out there.

Alice Eve

Rebecca Ferguson

Felicity Jones maybe?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Back in Moore's time they were cranking out Bond films every second year but that's not the way things are done anymore. They operate on a 4 year break between movies now, and they usually want at least a 5-6 film contract for their star (hell, they tried to get Craig for 7), so yeah I think the next actor has to reasonably be younger.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I always thought Bond should be anywhere from 30 to 45. Young enough where they can keep him around for a long time, but still be a man. Anything past 45 you're getting into creepy territory like with Craig which is why I wouldn't have minded him to not come back.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I always thought Bond should be anywhere from 30 to 45. Young enough where they can keep him around for a long time, but still be a man. Anything past 45 you're getting into creepy territory like with Craig which is why I wouldn't have minded him to not come back.

Again we keep assuming the character has to be the actor's age.

Ethan Hunt is probably not really 56 in the M:I universe. The whole "creepy old man" after 45 is a throwback to an older generation.

I mean you had the first Bond Sean Connery playing Harrison Ford's dad when he was 58.

All the top action stars now are pretty much in their 40's to early 50's with no real slowdown in sight.

Elba can easily pass for 5 years younger than his real age . Which could be his Bond's age.

The ironic thing is Craig when he was only in his late 30's had an oldish look to him facially.

 

[TheVileOne]

That works for James Bond. He's a blunt instrument.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Back in Moore's time they were cranking out Bond films every second year but that's not the way things are done anymore. They operate on a 4 year break between movies now, and they usually want at least a 5-6 film contract for their star (hell, they tried to get Craig for 7), so yeah I think the next actor has to reasonably be younger.

Pretty much. A 50 year old Bond is fine these days...if it is at the end of his run. That's not the issue. The issue is that with a standard run as Bond (ie. not Lazenby or Dalton) Elba would be in his mid-60s by the time he's done. And that's just a bit ridiculous.

 

[harlequinade]

Elba? Yes, please!

 

[Vaibow]

I would want elba to at least do a trilogy - could he still look the part in 15 years? don't see why not... i actually would love him to play another oo agent, that looks after a rookie oo7 - rookie in the sense that he has just joined the agency - i would love to see the origins of bond and no, Casino Royal did not do that, it just showed him getting his oo status and we see a journey he takes at an earlier stage in his career. I have always said that Cavill would make a great young bond, freshly recruited from the navy, for the government - given direction under Elba's tutorage. Bond looks up to this character. I think instead of changing race, gender etc just create new exciting characters. Sure, Bond doesn't have to be white, but why can't he stay white?

I saw an esquire interview, Matt Millar i think - it's bizarre reading on one breath he says Michael Fassbender can't be Bond as he is Irish (Brosnan was Irish) yet Elba, a black man, can be Bond. Where is the reasoning in that? Fassbender is a damn good actor that fits the description of Bond. Elba, damn good actor and has the character traits... both are good, yet ones race omits him.

Had Casino Royal gone to Elba, now we're talking, but it didn't.

 

[Silvermoth]

Elba would be amazing, you could tell he can play shrewd, sexy pulp type hero because of Luthor. If he wants to do it, give it to him!

 

[TheVileOne]

It will be hard for me to accept another James Bond after Daniel Craig. not saying it's impossible. But he's the first James Bond who I felt was the closest to the character Ian Fleming created.

Fleming never wanted Bond as a superhero. He was always meant to be a blunt instrument. Craig encompassed that idea. Also those contemplative parts of the early Fleming books.

Timothy Dalton came pretty close as well. Couldn't stand Roger Moore. Connery was good for his time and certainly iconic, but he took away a lot of those more interesting elements that made Bond a more grounded and real character IMO.

 

[jmc]

I doubt this ends up being true mostly because Elba would be almost 50 by the time cameras were to roll. The main issue to me however is this is once again another example of Hollywood half arsing it with people from minority groups. I don't think people realise just how insulting this type of casting attitude can come across to the very people they claim they are helping. You can't be bothered to create something new for these people, they only get second hand characters. This type of attitude not only comes across as insulting but it's flat out creatively bankrupt.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I read this bit about producers eyeing him for the role, and laugh.

Agreed. Give it to somebody young like John Boyega to carry the franchise for years.

An entertaining choice.
This makes me want a new James Bond jr cartoon, with him voicing the character. I'll be really impressed if they successfully pull it off.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

That works for James Bond. He's a blunt instrument.

I agree. He shouldn't be naturally handsome. He should seem like there's a sense of danger lurking just beneath that English charm which is what should be drawing women to him. Not the fact that he looks like the latest Calvin Klein model.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I read this bit about producers eyeing him for the role, and laugh.
An entertaining choice.
This makes me want a new James Bond jr cartoon, with him voicing the character. I'll be really impressed if they successfully pull it off.

Idk why, but the term "James Bond Jr. cartoon" made me chuckle. It must be late...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Idk why, but the term "James Bond Jr. cartoon" made me chuckle. It must be late...

It's never late to chuckle at the idea, it's that brilliant.