Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 10

[ThePhantasm]

Sauron did speak English a few times in the LOTR movies. "Build me an army worthy of Mordor." "There is no life... in the void... only... death." "I seeee youuuu!"

 

[Marvolo]

Sauron did speak English a few times in the LOTR movies. "Build me an army worthy of Mordor." "There is no life... in the void... only... death." "I seeee youuuu!"

Ah true. They were buried under audio manipulation tho so I would expect the same with the Necro. We might be able to recognize Cumberbatch's voice but I doubt it will sound anything like Smaug.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I hope so, since they are played by the same actor!

Yeah. Indeed

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ah true. They were buried under audio manipulation tho so I would expect the same with the Necro. We might be able to recognize Cumberbatch's voice but I doubt it will sound anything like Smaug.

I think his mo-cap work will be where he shines with the Necromancer.

 

[Hunter Rider]

He's voicing Smaug and playing (or voicing? not sure) the Necromancer as well.

Ah I see, I can't wait to see what look they have gone with for The Necromancer.

 

[Schlosser85]

Cumberbatch really does have a surprisingly powerful and commanding voice.

 

[Leetank]

I can not wait for Smaug

also I'm very curious as to what they do with the Necromancer/Dol Guldur storyline.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I love the concept/idea of Sauron taking another form such as this Necromancer - it feels really cool. Reminds me of Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past where Ganon takes the form of a wizard called Agahnim to get rid of the descendants of the Sages.

 

[RaZaTrOn]

First goats, now Gollum!
Has this been posted here? It's very well done!
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Apologies if it has, even so it's worth the second view!

 

[Iceman]

For multiple reasons I've somehow not been able to see this till now. As a big LOTR fan I wasn't expecting to like this anywhere near as much and while I don't, it was a lot better than I was expecting. Thought I would hate the Dwarves but they were fine. Freeman was perfectly natural as Bilbo, good choice. And I also really liked Azog, not sure whether he was something people didn't like from the few times I popped in here before the film was out.

 

[Leetank]

It was terrific, most complaints I have heard don't really make sense save a few. It's only going to get better from here.

 

[CGHulk]

Well the main complaint is the impossibility of their escapes. One example is with them on the knees of a rock monster and they aren't somehow not thrown off like rag dolls. Also with them falling hundreds of feet on a piece of bridge and then the big goblin falls on top of them and they all walk away without even a scratch.

Lets not forget the added silliness that was not even in the book. With Radagast's bunny sleigh, with the bird poop on the side of his face and him smoking Gandalf's pipe and reacting like it gets him high, and the smoke coming out of his ears. A troll using Bilbo as a hanky and he ends up covered in snot. One of the trolls is silly with his crossed eyes and squeaky voice.

Constantly Thorin saying Bilbo doesn't belong, because the filmmakers believe we have to be constantly reminded that he doesn't so the end is the pay off that he finally does.

Azog looked unfinished, because the actor playing the part was changed to a CG character late in production.

 

[jacobed]

My biggest complaints were the horrible beginning with Frodo and the god awful last action scene that was completely unneccessary.

 

[Leetank]

Well the main complaint is the impossibility of their escapes. One example is with them on the knees of a rock monster and they aren't somehow not thrown off like rag dolls. Also with them falling hundreds of feet on a piece of bridge and then the big goblin falls on top of them and they all walk away without even a scratch.

Lets not forget the added silliness that was not even in the book. With Radagast's bunny sleigh, with the bird poop on the side of his face and him smoking Gandalf's pipe and reacting like it gets him high, and the smoke coming out of his ears. A troll using Bilbo as a hanky and he ends up covered in snot. One of the trolls is silly with his crossed eyes and squeaky voice.

Constantly Thorin saying Bilbo doesn't belong, because the filmmakers believe we have to be constantly reminded that he doesn't so the end is the pay off that he finally does.

Azog looked unfinished, because the actor playing the part was changed to a CG character late in production.

as opposed to how many hundreds of movies where the good guys get away from nearly impossible near death situations? that's the worst complaint I have ever heard.

The trolls were written as dim witted and were true to the source material.

Also Thorin was like this in the book, he only started to accept him roughly one quarter into the book, so once again invalid complaint.

I will however, agree that radagast is silly, and Azog though looking good, should have been worked on more, considering how great the CGI was for everything else.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Well the main complaint is the impossibility of their escapes. One example is with them on the knees of a rock monster and they aren't somehow not thrown off like rag dolls. Also with them falling hundreds of feet on a piece of bridge and then the big goblin falls on top of them and they all walk away without even a scratch.

My issue is that the cg looked good but in the action sequences it all lacks weight. You've got goblins leaping twenty feet in the air, the vast falls you mentioned, bodies tumbling and being hurled round like they're made of styrfoam. I got very little sense that these things are physically part of the world.

Look at Jurassic Park. The dinos looked incredible but they also felt real, because effort was put into making them move and affect their environment like a real creature would. The Hobbit was full of nice looking but insubstantial models. They're not real and they don't feel real.

That said I enjoyed the movie quite a bit.

 

[Matt Mortem]

My complaint is nothing ****ing happens. I sat for three hours watching them walk only to get a third of the way to the destination and none of the characters were interesting enough for me to give a damn.

 

[Leetank]

plenty happens, it's the first chapter.

 

[jacobed]

Yeah but it could have been one movie. The only reason they get anywhere is because of the worst plot device I've ever seen in movies, those stupid eagles. I can not stands those stupid eagles. It didn't help that they came right after the stupidest and completely unneccessary action scenes I've seen in a while. If the movie would have ended with Bilbo telling them that he is going to help then that I would have been happy. That scene was phenomenal and wonderfully acted, right there boom Thorin accepts him. But no. Jackson doesn't know how to end movies and completely screws up the entire movie with that action scene.

 

[sueb1863]

You know the eagles are in the book, right? That part is just as Tolkien wrote it, with the eagles swooping in and saving the company from the fire.

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah but it could have been one movie. The only reason they get anywhere is because of the worst plot device I've ever seen in movies, those stupid eagles. I can not stands those stupid eagles. It didn't help that they came right after the stupidest and completely unneccessary action scenes I've seen in a while. If the movie would have ended with Bilbo telling them that he is going to help then that I would have been happy. That scene was phenomenal and wonderfully acted, right there boom Thorin accepts him. But no. Jackson doesn't know how to end movies and completely screws up the entire movie with that action scene.

That action scene hardly screwed up the entire movie. Hyperbole much...

 

[Victarion]

You know the eagles are in the book, right? That part is just as Tolkien wrote it, with the eagles swooping in and saving the company from the fire.

Being in the book doesn't automatically make it a good idea. I didn't mind the action scene. Now, I need to see this again as I only saw it once back in December. That said, did Thorin's acceptance come before or after the final sequence where Bilbo went against Azog? If Thorin accepted Bilbo as one of the Company before the action scene, then I would say it was unnecessary. The actions scene should be the catalyst for Thorin's acceptance of Bilbo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That action scene hardly screwed up the entire movie. Hyperbole much...

Yeah, there were plenty of problems before that.

 

[jacobed]

That action scene hardly screwed up the entire movie. Hyperbole much...

No not at all. The whole movie was eh until that scene than it just downspirals. There are so many problems with that scene its ridiculous.

I could careless if the eagles are in the book or not, doesn't make them any less stupid. He's already changed so much, you can easily take them out and noone would ever notice

 

[Whiskey Tango]

No, there'd just be someone else *****ing about Jackson cutting the eagles instead.

 

[Iceman]

Well the main complaint is the impossibility of their escapes. One example is with them on the knees of a rock monster and they aren't somehow not thrown off like rag dolls. Also with them falling hundreds of feet on a piece of bridge and then the big goblin falls on top of them and they all walk away without even a scratch.

Lets not forget the added silliness that was not even in the book. With Radagast's bunny sleigh, with the bird poop on the side of his face and him smoking Gandalf's pipe and reacting like it gets him high, and the smoke coming out of his ears. A troll using Bilbo as a hanky and he ends up covered in snot. One of the trolls is silly with his crossed eyes and squeaky voice.

Constantly Thorin saying Bilbo doesn't belong, because the filmmakers believe we have to be constantly reminded that he doesn't so the end is the pay off that he finally does.

Azog looked unfinished, because the actor playing the part was changed to a CG character late in production.

I guess, I'm too used to that now in other films to even notice but it is a bit silly as always.

Yeah, now what is Radagast like in the book? I'd rather they took out or underplayed the comedy side of his character and made him another cool Istari wizard. With Saruman being the bad guy, or future bad guy, I'd like Gandalf to have had one similar powerful ally who could have been at least a little badass, nowhere near Gandalf but not a joke.

As for the Thorin Bilbo payoff maybe it was predictable or whatever and engineered but I still liked it a lot and it worked for me.

I can also agree that Azog looks a bit unfinished but ..he looks bloody awesome all the same!! Azog The Defiler! And the wargs themselves look a lot better and more threatening than they did in Two Towers.