Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 10

[ThePhantasm]

Lmao all those makeup artist work fed to the warg. Gotta say, now that I know which one was actually the original Azog, I prefer the CGI model. There was nothing intimidating about the original and it would have been extremely odd for Azog the father to be so much smaller than his hulking psychotic looking son. It does suck for the makeup artists tho.

Yeah, if you watch the vid of the pre-CGI Azog fighting Thorin, Azog looks very small and unthreatening... and kinda like a generic orc, unlike Bolg who stands out.

 

[CGHulk]

Man, that's too bad, I'd love to see what Baker came up with.

And honestly, I don't know why they didn't combine the puppetry and CGI instead of going all CGI. Practical/CGI mix always yeilds the best results in my opinion.

Here!
http://www.proparchives.com/science...black/animatronic-edgar-bug-from-men-in-black

The orc beneath bolg ins't the original azog he is fimbul the hunter I'll look for pictures of the toys. Cgi Azog isn't even half as intimidating or baddass as lurtz was nor as intimidating as Bolg looks. But worst of all is that it doesn't make any sense that they made all the orcs real(guys in prosthetics) and their leader is cgi, plus he looks rushed. His skin looks way too perfect and smooth almost navi like.


He is fimbul

We'll probably see this guy in the next movie.

 

[Marvolo]

Watching that video about Azog and them admitting that they had very little tome to do him makes me think he will look better in Part 2. Surely they would go back and touch him up.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Maybe he'll be touched up more for the Extended Edition as well.

 

[Marvolo]

Maybe he'll be touched up more for the Extended Edition as well.

Let's hope.

 

[CGHulk]

Maybe he'll be touched up more for the Extended Edition as well.

Here's hoping, but probably not, I'm a cynic.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Here!
http://www.proparchives.com/science...black/animatronic-edgar-bug-from-men-in-black

That's cool. See, I wish they had just combined that with some CGI. Where the Wild Things Are is a perfect example of how good puppetry and CGI combined can look.

And with Azog, I don't think he looked bad, but I just had no idea why they didn't just get a big fit guy and put him in makeup. He just didn't look real, and there was nothing about him that necessitated him being CGI.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Here's hoping, but probably not, I'm a cynic.

Well, I'm pretty certain they do CGI work for the EEs anyways, so they'd certainly have the opportunity to do an update.

 

[Marvolo]

Well, I'm pretty certain they do CGI work for the EEs anyways, so they'd certainly have the opportunity to do an update.

Yeah they do CGI work to complete unfinished scenes so touching up Azog is a possibility.

 

[CGHulk]

That's cool. See, I wish they had just combined that with some CGI. Where the Wild Things Are is a perfect example of how good puppetry and CGI combined can look.

And with Azog, I don't think he looked bad, but I just had no idea why they didn't just get a big fit guy and put him in makeup. He just didn't look real, and there was nothing about him that necessitated him being CGI.

It was a last minute change. Peter getting to do reshoots probably was not an option.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Man, that's too bad, I'd love to see what Baker came up with.

And honestly, I don't know why they didn't combine the puppetry and CGI instead of going all CGI. Practical/CGI mix always yeilds the best results in my opinion.

Probably the inability to make the two mesh well together. Sometimes it's very tough to do that. Perfect example: the baby Godzillas in the 99 film. It was painfully obvious when they'd go back and forth between cg and practical effects.

 

[Doctor Jones]

So the orc who spotted the camping dwarves was the original Azog? As someone who didn't even know Azog was in the film, by just looking at that orc, he doesn't stand out. He just looks like a generic orc. CGI Azog ended up being a better leading orc to pursue them.

 

[regwec]

Yes, but my sympathy is with those that worked so hard on the original. Is it unfair to wonder how such a major change was left so late? It smacks of making it up as you go along.

 

[CGHulk]

Yes, but my sympathy is with those that worked so hard on the original. Is it unfair to wonder how such a major change was left so late? It smacks of making it up as you go along.

When making a movie they don't know what you have until they get to the editting process, sometimes it's good sometimes it's not. In the case of this movie Peter had his villian, he just wanted him to be more formidable. He discovered that towards the end of production.

 

[regwec]

Did anything of the like happen in the LOTR trilogy?

 

[John Locke]

Only thing I can think of is Sauron being replaced by a troll at the Black Gate.

 

[CGHulk]

Arwen was taken out of The Battle of Helms Deep, because of fan outrage.

The prologue to the Fellowship of the Ring was added at the last minute.

A scene of Frodo in The Two Towers of him being turned into a monster because of the one ring was cut.

The kissing scene with Aragorn and Arwen was reshot from a kiss to a snogging. It was also reshot because on the day of shooting Vigo wore a fake beard and they asked him when he'd return for the reshoots that he'd grow a real beard. There's actually a shot in the sequence were you can still see him in the fake beard.

 

[Marvolo]

Did anything of the like happen in the LOTR trilogy?

To add to what others have said, Jackson is known for last minute adjustments especially in the script. He will drastically change scenes and add scenes the day before and day of filming said scene. He starts with a base but allows the film to evolve as he goes along and its probably a big reason why his films become unruly.

 

[CGHulk]

To add to what others have said, Jackson is known for last minute adjustments especially in the script. He will drastically change scenes and add scenes the day before and day of filming said scene. He starts with a base but allows the film to evolve as he goes along and its probably a big reason why his films become unruly.

That is not exclusive to Jackson, that's pretty much how directors work on films, it's part of their creative process.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I don't think that is the reason Jackson's films are so bloated. A lot directors work like that. They accept and appreciate spontaneity and improvisation as a palpable part of filmmaking.

 

[CGHulk]

And they also welcome creative input.

 

[ThePhantasm]

With a trilogy as large as the Hobbit or LOTR, there are bound to be last minute changes and adjustments. Its almost guaranteed. You can't perfectly micromanage a project of that magnitude.

 

[Marvolo]

I don't think that is the reason Jackson's films are so bloated. A lot directors work like that. They accept and appreciate spontaneity and improvisation as a palpable part of filmmaking.

Im not saying they dont but anyone who has watched the documentaries knows that the actors have boxes of unopened letters with script adjustments. Adjustments are expected but Jackson, Fran, and Phillipa turned it into an artform. They would deliver an adjustment and less than an hour later adjustments to the adjustments. Some of the actors said they just stopped reading the adjustments because they knew there would be another adjustment when they got to set. That doesnt seem like a great way to manage a script and it especially shows in the Hobbit.

 

[Quasimod0]

Here!
http://www.proparchives.com/science...black/animatronic-edgar-bug-from-men-in-black





We'll probably see this guy in the next movie.

he was in the first movie. he was the other warg rider that didnt get killed by azog

 

[Victarion]

Bolg should be in the next film, or part 3 at least. They already made a toy for him; you can find some guy on Youtube doing a review of the figures.