Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - - - - - Part 14

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The problem now is in the wake of the Hobbit splitting itself so thinly other Hollywood films have been inspired and are doing the same with equally thin books. Storytelling is being compromised for the sake of extended a series for as long as possible, in the end all we get are watered down films that stretch far beyond what the story calls for.
i agree.

its interesting to see some people being in denial about the Avatar sequels. they belive what Cameron said.stand alone movies. hahah no. it will be one big story and every movie will end like an tv episode. thats what hollywood wants and its working.

the same happened with Hunger Games 2. what kind of ending was this?
 
I rewatched the second Hobbit. I still couldn't get into it. It doesn't feel like a movie.
 
I rewatched the second Hobbit. I still couldn't get into it. It doesn't feel like a movie.

It's just sooo bloated. The Smaug conversation was gratuitous as was the chase scene. Beorn should have been cut altogether from the theatrical cut. Azog should have been killed in film one to give Bolg a purpose and driving force and to clear up space. Master of the Lake and his minion and their conflict with Bard is unnecessary. Laketown and that Kili black arrow nonsense...I can't even watch the movie cause fast forwarding through all that crap is a pain in my ass.
 
The chapter select is pretty good on the blu ray. Makes it a bit easier to get through.
 
The problem now is in the wake of the Hobbit splitting itself so thinly other Hollywood films have been inspired and are doing the same with equally thin books. Storytelling is being compromised for the sake of extended a series for as long as possible, in the end all we get are watered down films that stretch far beyond what the story calls for.

I think some of you overestimate Middle Earth, all these divisions in final books like Twilight, Hunger Games and Divergent did and are doing seems inspired by the decision done for the final book of Harry Potter. Doing the final chapter in 2 parts is pretty much letting them profit twice from what they originally would.

Though the general idea of giving an incomplete movie to set up sequels is a result of various franchises rising in the 2000s, the MCU may also be partially responsible for that.

Kong most certainly was a bad movie.

No, it was not. All the complains i see here and across the internet have very weak arguments to be honest, you can make a point about it being overlong, but the film itself was pretty good, full of great scenes and moments. Talking as if those didn't matter or were any good is a major discervice to the film itself.

i agree.

its interesting to see some people being in denial about the Avatar sequels. they belive what Cameron said.stand alone movies. hahah no. it will be one big story and every movie will end like an tv episode. thats what hollywood wants and its working.

the same happened with Hunger Games 2. what kind of ending was this?

The ending in the book was abrupt too, and my guess is that it was supposed to be like The Empire Strikes Back, the situation with the 3rd and 4th films will be worse.

And about Avatar, it can be a move to save money, Cameron himself has stated that he doesn't want to have a Matrix situation, and one of the films being shot is going to be a Prequel, so the others will certainly not lead directly into that.
 
The Empire Strikes Back is a full film. Character arcs and all.
 
Character arcs can be bad. Especially when they serve to tie down the film ala King Kong. I did not care about the useless development of Jack Black's character. What's worse is that it was abandoned anyways in lieu of a one liner ("looks like the beauty...killed the beast"). He could've been a cipher and the film would've lost no steps, or could've potentially be better. The other offender was Jamie Page's character and his coming of age side arc about learnin' to read dem bookz, which was, of course, also abandoned. All they did was tie down the film in useless crap. King Kong could've been a lean and mean adventure, not a bloated bush with the honeypot being hard to find.
 
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And about Avatar, it can be a move to save money, Cameron himself has stated that he doesn't want to have a Matrix situation, and one of the films being shot is going to be a Prequel, so the others will certainly not lead directly into that.
the only way to save a lot money with 3 movies is if there is one big story.thats the only way IMO. when you have 3 different movies you have 3 different movies.
 
Unless those three movies are all set in the same place, which they mostly seem to be, so it's still saving money, you don't need one directly leading into the other to save money, just to film them in the same locations and to make the whole production faster.
 
same place? what is this? Zion,Hill Valley,pirate ship,big tree,oceans?

fact is that the Avatar world is to big. when you have it set in one place you cheated the people who payed the tickets for the second and third movie.

IMO there is no way to win. we all lose.
 
And i'm sure they will use all of those places, but the thing is, connected or not, it's simply easier to film and do the whole thing in a go, this way you don't need to construct and deconstruct or repeat the whole process 3 times, you can just do it in one go.

This is going off-topic though, but i have faith in James Cameron to deliver something memorable and a "crescendo" as he implies.
 
i have faith in him as a director and i have faith in him that he will go 100 millions over budget hahahahha :bow:
 
No it doesn't, it implies my certainty in the opinion I hold- that it is a bad film.

I deliberately couched my statement in exactly the same declarative language used by the other poster in stating that they were not bad movies, and used by you now.

We can do this all day.

Ok, but to say that a film is certainly bad is wrong. You can be certain in your opinion, but a film can never be certainly bad, whether it is The Godfather or Twilight.
 
Someone can hold the opinion that they are certain a film is bad, which I do and which is what I said.
 
Someone can hold the opinion that they are certain a film is bad, which I do and which is what I said.

Agree to disagree I think. I'm not saying that the film is certainly good, I'm just saying that I like it.
 
Well, i do think you can have a film be objectivelly bad, look at The Room for example, but King Kong was certainly not one of them, even critical opinion points otherwise, your reasons to hate the film seem a bit weird.
 
I haven't given any reasons- just stated my opinion.
 
I haven't given any reasons- just stated my opinion.

My initial problem was that you presented your opinion as fact.

Anyway, The Hobbit! I need a trailer for this ASAP. Which month did we get the first trailer for Desolation?
 
We'll get a trailer with Godzilla or Jupiter Ascending or somewhere between those two.
 
My initial problem was that you presented your opinion as fact.

Anyway, The Hobbit! I need a trailer for this ASAP. Which month did we get the first trailer for Desolation?

There was no problem, as my statement was self evidently an opinion.

See part two of my sig.
 
It's just sooo bloated. The Smaug conversation was gratuitous as was the chase scene. Beorn should have been cut altogether from the theatrical cut. Azog should have been killed in film one to give Bolg a purpose and driving force and to clear up space. Master of the Lake and his minion and their conflict with Bard is unnecessary. Laketown and that Kili black arrow nonsense...I can't even watch the movie cause fast forwarding through all that crap is a pain in my ass.

That could have worked as a movie all its own, if it were fleshed out more. Not a middle-earth film, though.
 
Let me say something positive: I really liked the costume and character designs for Laketown.

There- don't say I never give you anything!
 
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