Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 15

[Silvermoon]

Isn't it on one of the LotR soundtracks too tho?

That one? As far as I'm aware, no. You might be thinking of "The Edge of Night" that he sung for Return of the King

 

[Herolee10]

I have a question; has it been established or said on what the other Elvish community (namely Elrond and Galadriel) when it comes to Legolas's kin and his father?

I mean I know it was established in DOS that they aren't like the other elves in terms of their personality, so I wonder if it was also said on what the other elves think about them.

 

[craigdbfan]

I think they're ok with each other seeing as Legolas reaction with the other Elves in the LOTR was very kindred.

 

[Marvolo]

None of the elves are hostile towards each other they just kinda do their own things.

Jackson said in the commentary of DOS that in BTFA we will learn why Thranduil is such an isolationist. He said it has to do with how his wife died. So in BTFA we are gonna get to know Thranduil a little more personally. Poor guy. Lost his love and just shut himself off from the world.

 

[Herolee10]

I think they're ok with each other seeing as Legolas reaction with the other Elves in the LOTR was very kindred.

True. It's a shame though that Tolkein wasn't able to include Legolas's dad, in some form, into the LOTR stories.

I've often wondered, especially after being introduced to the character in DOS, on why he never partook in the war of the ring.

None of the elves are hostile towards each other they just kinda do their own things.

Jackson said in the commentary of DOS that in BTFA we will learn why Thranduil is such an isolationist. He said it has to do with how his wife died. So in BTFA we are gonna get to know Thranduil a little more personally. Poor guy. Lost his love and just shut himself off from the world.

That would be a surprising twist; I had assumed that Thrandull was somewhat of a morally jaded Elf, when compared to his kindred, given his interest in the diamonds that Thorin's grandfather had possessed, along with his unwillingness to help their people when they came to them without food or shelter.

 

[Marvolo]

True. It's a shame though that Tolkein wasn't able to include Legolas's dad, in some form, into the LOTR stories.

I've often wondered, especially after being introduced to the character in DOS, on why he never partook in the war of the ring.



That would be a surprising twist; I had assumed that Thrandull was somewhat of a morally jaded Elf, when compared to his kindred, given his interest in the diamonds that Thorin's grandfather had possessed, along with his unwillingness to help their people when they came to them without food or shelter.

Thranduil did take part in the War of the Ring. From the Tolkien Gateway:

On March 21, T.A. 3018 Aragorn and Gandalf delivered Gollum as a prisoner to Thranduil but in June he escaped. Thranduil sent his son Legolas to Rivendell to inform Elrond, and in the Council of Elrond Legolas was selected as one of the nine members of the Company of the Ring. Another member of the Company was the Dwarf Gimli, the son of Glóin of Thorin's band who were imprisoned by Thranduil. The unprecedented friendship between Elf and Dwarf helped to reconcile Thranduil's people and the Dwarves.
On March 15, T.A. 3019, an army of Sauron from Dol Guldur attacked Mirkwood. There was a long Battle Under Trees and the woods were set on fire but in the end Thranduil defeated the invaders. On April 6, Thranduil met Celeborn in the midst of Mirkwood. The forces of the Lord and Lady of Galadhrim stormed Dol Guldur and threw down its walls.
Thranduil had cleared all the orcs and foul beings from North Mirkwood, so that the forest was cleansed and Sauron's forces in the North were destroyed. Because the Shadow over Mirkwood was lifted, Thranduil received the northern part of the Eryn Lasgalen (as Mirkwood was now called) as far as the Mountains.

It is a shame tho. Jackson has introduced Thranduil and Mirkwood and Erebor and Dale and Dain Ironfoot is introduced in BTFA and they all played a part in the War of the Ring, but we dont get to see them in LOTR. Id love to see films based on the Northern Campaigns during the War of the Ring. Purists would likely rage at the prospect and itd be little more than fan fiction inspired by the appendices, but if they were good films Id enjoy them. If WB still owns the rights to the appendices after BTFA is released then its something they could consider at some point.

 

[sueb1863]

Maybe PJ would have had Thranduil and the Mirkwood Elves showing up at Helms Deep instead of Haldir and the Rivendell Elves, if he'd made LotR after The Hobbit.

 

[regwec]

Purists would likely rage at the prospect and itd be little more than fan fiction inspired by the appendices, but if they were good films Id enjoy them.

As I have said before, I would rather fan-fiction movies be made to occupy areas where the books are silent, rather than have fully realised stories and characters polluted with fan-fiction when they are "adapted".

 

[Man in the Suit]

Does anyone know how long the movie will be?

144 minutes.

 

[green]

Im not even sure people were aware this was going on…ugggg Weinstein.

http://deadline.com/2014/11/warner-bros-wins-hobbit-profits-battle-over-weinsteins-1201284644/

Warner Bros Wins ‘Hobbit’ Profits Battle Over Weinsteins
EXCLUSIVE: The arbitrator in the legal battle over Middle Earth money made his decision today, and Bob and Harvey Weinstein were not the lucky ones. Warner Bros has won the fight over profits from The Hobbit sequels, I have learned, after the Weinsteins filed a $75 million lawsuit late last year that was eventually moved behind closed doors. Contacted by Deadline, Warner Bros had no comment on the arbitration ruling. Former NY Supreme Court Justice Bernard Fried was the arbitrator in the matter.
The Weinsteins, Miramax and their attorneys had recently tried to get an evidentiary hearing to fully explain their argument that while the contract in dispute exclude remakes, their case boiled down to the way the picture was produced. They maintained that even though The Hobbit–originally envisioned by director Peter Jackson and Warner Bros as two installments culled from one book–was turned into three movies doesn’t change the fact that the film is one long story, filmed primarily in one production shoot. I hear that they feared that a former New York judge wouldn’t have the familiar grasp of how Hollywood works. That claim clearly fell on deaf ears and the judgment came down but I’m told this might not yet be over and that there were technical discoveries rendered in this arbitration decision that will likely prompt a detailed audit into the entire disposition of revenues from the JRR Tolkien works. The Weinsteins had no immediate comment.

Last December, the Weinstens and Miramax filed a breach of contract complaint against WB Entertainment and New Line Cinema claiming that they were owed big bucks from the property they helped develop back in the 1990s. “Warner’s position is simply an improper attempt to deprive the people originally responsible for hugely successful films being made from the works of J.R.R. Tolkien of their right to share in revenue from two of the three filmed installments of Tolkien’s The Hobbit,” said the dense 8-page filing. Of course, WB took a very different stance over a property that has come with other legal troubles and big big franchise profits. “Fifteen years ago Miramax, run by the Weinstein brothers, sold its rights in The Hobbit to New Line,” the company said in a statement after the brothers and Mirmax filed their complaint. “No amount of trying to rewrite history can change that fact. They agreed to be paid only on the first motion picture based on The Hobbit. And that’s all they’re owed.”
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey came out in mid-December 2012 and went on to make over $1 billion at the box office. Of that big chunk of change, the Weinsteins made just over $12 million AKA 2.5% of first dollar gross based on the 1998 deal that gave them a financial taste of any first Hobbit pic. Miramax got another 2.5%.

This being Hollywood, timing, as well as money, has also proved a factor in the matter. Last year’s complaint came just days before the Peter Jackson helmed The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug debuted. Today’s decision comes just over a month before The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies opens on December 17.

After the initial filing of the complaint last year, there was the usual jockeying for position on both sides. Eventually, as WB and New Line had always insisted, it ended before a mutually chosen arbitrator. And now the matter is seemingly done.

 

[regwec]

All this grubbing over money is deeply depressing.

 

[Boom]

My indifference is profound.

 

[Quasimod0]

Every time I hear about the Weinstens, its bad.

 

[Slushy]

It is a shame tho. Jackson has introduced Thranduil and Mirkwood and Erebor and Dale and Dain Ironfoot is introduced in BTFA and they all played a part in the War of the Ring, but we dont get to see them in LOTR. Id love to see films based on the Northern Campaigns during the War of the Ring. Purists would likely rage at the prospect and itd be little more than fan fiction inspired by the appendices, but if they were good films Id enjoy them. If WB still owns the rights to the appendices after BTFA is released then its something they could consider at some point.

I'm not a fan of changes myself, but in this case, its better than random goblin army.

 

[ares834]

Just heard the full "The Last Goodbye". Brought a tear to my eye. Billy Boyd was a great choice.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Marvolo]

^. Do Want!

 

[regwec]

It's a minor thing, but the aesthetic of pink goblins doesn't work for me at all.

 

[Drizzle]

I wonder if that Bard statue is movie accurate and that is indeed a representation of the killshot...

 

[Silvermoon]

Spoiler

Not gonna lie, part of me is kind of tempted....but at $700 bucks? Gonna have to pass on this one.

 

[Marvolo]

It's a minor thing, but the aesthetic of pink goblins doesn't work for me at all.

Idk why he is pink. He looks grayish in the film. Even if that's a result of the color grading of the film it's just bizarre to make the statue bolg pink. Who wants a pink orc?

 

[Quasimod0]

Watched all the DoS extras on the Extended Edition, and just watched both trailers for the next film. I'm officially pumped. This movie looks great. Gonna be an emotional ride.

 

[Victarion]

Idk why he is pink. He looks grayish in the film. Even if that's a result of the color grading of the film it's just bizarre to make the statue bolg pink. Who wants a pink orc?

Who doesn't want old Bolg?

 

[redhawk23]

Nothing PJ or any other director or studio does can substantially damage the estate nor Tolkien's works. Most intelligent or informed (anyone who picks up a book or translation by Tolkien) will realize the films more questionable things do not represent Tolkien nor his works. And Chris may be unwilling to admit it but the films have increased sales of LOTR books and that in turn allows the estate to put money into Tolkien's other unpublished material. I myself would never have discovered Tolkien if not for these films so regardless of Jackson's questionable adaption choices I will always cherrish Jackson and his films for introducing me to Tolkien.

Chris also needs to realize that Tolkien's translations of Beowulf and other ancient stories and Tolkien's notes will never be popular or big sellers. That stuff is academic and has a specific reader group. The films won't make that stuff sell any less. If anything it will make that stuff sell more because people will be quick to snatch up anything with Tolkien's name on it without realizing that stuff isn't LOTR related nor easy reads for the laymen.

I can understand why they're often less than happy with the kind of merchandising involved with the films, the Spaceballification. LOTR: The Slot Machine!

On the other hand, the LotR trilogy pinball machine is awesome particularly when you get to attack the rubber Balrog.