Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - - Part 18

Yeah, most of Del Toro's designs would have been too outlandish even for Middle Earth. I mean, look at the Smaug design when Del Toro was still slated to direct:

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Having said that, some of the designs in the final films do look very Del Toro-esque but they aren't as extreme. Namely the rock giants, Beorn, and a few of the dwarves.
I don't think it's ever been confirmed that the concept art above is official. People just kinda started making the assumption.

Del Toro's Smaug was described as being very long and very thin.
 
And one of the dwarves was said to have a steampunk esque mechanical helmet when GDT was on the project. That's been known for a while, but it's one of the most telling little tidbits. GDT's narrative might have been more tight, but his designs were very much "GDT" and that's just the ones we know about. I just don't think some Tolkien fans would have liked his visual take on Tolkien's world any more than they like Peter's take on the story.
I think it would have been perfect as a "story" that was being told by Bilbo. Would have made the different, even more dark fantasy world work imo.
 
That Smaug looks like a creature from Pacific Rim...
 
Either way, it's not something I would've liked for Smaug.

A classic European dragon. That's all he needs to be.
 
I love the design they went with for Smaug in the films. They nailed it. I’ll admit, I was pissed when I hear he used his wings to walk rather than arms. But it worked out perfectly in the end. Honeslty, he looked better than I ever could have hoped for.

We get to glimpse some of GDT's designs for the Mirkwood elves and Thranduil in the appendices of BOTFA and it was hard core oriental. Imperial Chinese type stuff. At one point GDT even wanted to give Thranduil facial tattoos and markings similar to the elves in Hellboy 2. It's an interesting look and the deep reds in Thranduil's clothes and throne room would have been pretty and would have been striking but everything about it would have clashed with the LOTR elves.

Which would be fine. The Mirkwood Elves could have a very different aesthetic from their more “cultured” kin.
 
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Eh, I'd rather have a couple of unfaithful but good Hobbit movies than a somewhat faithful trilogy of mediocre ones.
That's why I would've loved to see Del Toro's take on the book. Such a visual feast would've been very well worth the tears of my inner Tolkien purist. Probably.

I love the design they went with for Smaug in the films. They nailed it. I’ll admit, I was pissed when I hear he used his wings to walk rather than arms. But it worked out perfectly in the end. Honeslty, he looked better than I ever could have hoped for.
Lack of underbelly armor aside, movie Smaug was effing perfect. I realize this is gonna sound dumb as heck considered the subject but I never liked six-legged dragons. Vertebrates are not supposed to have more than four limbs, it's... unrealistic.
Yeah yeah I know we're talking about fire-breathing flying giant lizards here, but as stupid as it sounds I just can't get over it, and I'm glad Jackson made the right call.
 
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Yeah the Smaug we got in the films looked ****ing awesome. Love how he turned out.
 
Yeah, most of Del Toro's designs would have been too outlandish even for Middle Earth. I mean, look at the Smaug design when Del Toro was still slated to direct:

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Having said that, some of the designs in the final films do look very Del Toro-esque but they aren't as extreme. Namely the rock giants, Beorn, and a few of the dwarves.

That's freaky as hell. I love it. But yeah, doesn't fit with the established look and the Smaug we got looked perfect.
 
Didn't Jackson say they were going to release an art book of GDT's designs?
 
Didn't Jackson say they were going to release an art book of GDT's designs?

Jackson or GDT said it wasn't out of the question down the road. Right now, GDT doesn't want his ideas for his canceled hobbit films stepping on Jackson's Hobbit film's toes.
 
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I'm glad Jackson directed those films, shame he could not prepare the films like during the LotR times...

I think del Toro is incompatible with Tolkien. Just look at that Smaug, it does not fit even one bit. del Toro is too obsessed with Lovecraft and similar things, let him shoot films like that. After LotR, Jackson is clearly the one who can bring Tolkien to the screen and preserve the feeling (less skateboarding Legolas maybe?). Something I doubt del Toro could achieve. And I don't want some experimental weird Hobbit, Tolkien was conservative man and the mood and design should stay that way. Even the weird Mirkwood sequence was done right, it did not feel out of the place. But there were some pieces that did, like those epically huge stone giants, maybe? But still, I would love to rewind the clock back and give Jackson and crew some year, two or three to prepare those Hobbits...
 
I don't care that the Hobbit Trilogy films weren't as 'well-received' by critics as the LotR Trilogy movies, or that they didn't receive as high a level of awards recognition; I will still make the unequivocal statement that both trilogies are of equal quality and worth in almost every conceivable way, and are now and will forever remain six of the greatest films that have ever been made and that will ever be made. The fact that the Hobbit Trilogy films did not nearly have the same amount of prep time as their companion films in the LotR Trilogy because of the circumstances surrounding their conception and production and yet still ended up equaling the LotR films in terms of quality is a testament to the skill and craftsmanship with which they were made.
 
I re-watched the 'Battle of the Five Armies'..I could NOT finish it.
 
I don't care that the Hobbit Trilogy films weren't as 'well-received' by critics as the LotR Trilogy movies, or that they didn't receive as high a level of awards recognition; I will still make the unequivocal statement that both trilogies are of equal quality and worth in almost every conceivable way, and are now and will forever remain six of the greatest films that have ever been made and that will ever be made. The fact that the Hobbit Trilogy films did not nearly have the same amount of prep time as their companion films in the LotR Trilogy because of the circumstances surrounding their conception and production and yet still ended up equaling the LotR films in terms of quality is a testament to the skill and craftsmanship with which they were made.

Well, there went my lunch.
 
Equal quality? You can like them both but I don't know about equal quality. It's like saying all of the Bond movies are equally good, which is not true. There are certain variables involved, like bias, personal faves, the one's you grew up with, but objectively, equally good shouldn't be used as a broad statement.
 
That being said, I feel for Peter Jackson, and I still think he's a good filmmaker.
 
I assume yall know that some media outlets and people are flipping out and or taking Jackson's "Im winging it..." comments out of their proper context. Well, Wingnut films have issued a statement:

Wingnut Films said:
The You Tube clip is a 6min cutdown of a 45min featurette (one of many) from the recent Battle of the Five Armies Extended Cut DVD, entitled “The Gathering Clouds” [sic]. Somebody has decided to create this cutdown using only the sections of “The Gathering Clouds” that discuss the difficulties faced, not the positive ways they were addressed and overcome – which are also covered in this and other featurettes.

Peter has never made a secret of the fact that he took over the Hobbit directing job with very little preparation time remaining before shooting had to begin. It was a challenge he willingly took on. His comments are an honest reflection of his own personal feelings at times during the movie’s production.

However they are not a reflection of either the actual production of these 3 movies – which was very tight, professional, happy, and finished on schedule and budget – nor do they reflect the finished result. Peter is very proud of the 3 Hobbit movies, and actually regards this period as one of his happiest film making experiences – something he has said publicly many times.

Shifting 2 months of shooting from 2012 into 2013 to allow the long and very complex battle sequence to be properly planned and shot, had no impact on the budget or release date. It is exactly what any responsible director should do, given the compressed pre-production time Peter had for these 3 technically difficult movies.
Ever since The Frighteners, Peter has tried to provide fans with honest, detailed, “warts and all” behind the scenes featurettes – compared to the usual bland Hollywood publicity material seen on most other DVDs. It’s a little sad to see desperate media outlets hijack this honesty to feed their ravenous appetite for negative sensationalism.

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/201...mments-provoke-a-gathering-storm-in-a-teacup/
 
Well, there went my lunch.

Don't be obnoxious.

I re-watched the 'Battle of the Five Armies'..I could NOT finish it.

That says more about YOU than it does about the film.

Equal quality? You can like them both but I don't know about equal quality. It's like saying all of the Bond movies are equally good, which is not true. There are certain variables involved, like bias, personal faves, the one's you grew up with, but objectively, equally good shouldn't be used as a broad statement.

It's not a broad statement; it's an objective statement of fact backed up by the films themselves and the way that they were produced, even with Peter feeling like he needed way more prep time than he was given due to circumstances beyond his control.

The LotR and Hobbit films ARE of equal quality when looked at objectively. It's when you start getting down to subjective things that debate occurs.
 
Don't be obnoxious.



That says more about YOU than it does about the film.



It's not a broad statement; it's an objective statement of fact backed up by the films themselves and the way that they were produced, even with Peter feeling like he needed way more prep time than he was given due to circumstances beyond his control.

The LotR and Hobbit films ARE of equal quality when looked at objectively. It's when you start getting down to subjective things that debate occurs.

Regarding your first statement, it doesn't make any sense so I won't respond to that. Nothing personal.

To your second comment, I have no doubt, that despite the challenges Peter faced, it was a miracle that he was able to create watchable movies out of The Hobbit. On a tech level that is, along with the editing and flow.

Any other person would've just dropped the ball, but not Jackson. It's just a shame that given more prep time, The Hobbit could've been a better franchise. RIGHT NOW..they're better than the Star Wars prequels, but most of the time, it's all filler, like they're stalling the plot developments, and milk it as much as they can, as Jackson tries to figure out the narrative through-line.
 
The scripts for AUJ and TBOTFA were already written by the time Peter took over, and the majority of their content did not fundamentally change to any significant degree, so the idea that he and the other filmmakers were 'padding things while he tried to figure out a narrative through-line' just doesn't match up with what actually was going on.

The only thing that more prep time would have changed is that the actual Battle of the Five Armies would have been filmed during the main production shoot and he would not have had to craft it almost in its entirety during post-production.
 
Did you not watch the video? It sounds like you're just rambling right now.
 

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