Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 6

[Boom]

Here's a ****-ton of concept art:

http://www.tolkiendrim.com/orgie-visuelle/#more

 

[Kane52630]

Here's a ****-ton of concept art:

http://www.tolkiendrim.com/orgie-visuelle/#more

Looks awesome so far.
*clicks page 3*

 

[Dark Sentinel]

In response to the couple of posts regarding Christopher Tolkien's attitude towards the adaptations of his father's (yes, good ol' JRR is is father, NOT grandfather) I do recall hearing that Tolkien once said that LOTR (and by extension The Hobbit) was a work that was "highly unsuitable for the process of dramatization." John Rhys-Davies and Jackson himself have also said that the book IS unfilmable (page by page, scene by scene). I get that aspect of the argument, but I'm sure he's grateful that his father's work will live on.

 

[Kane52630]

Lord of the Rings Ringwraith Hoodies!

 

[GrandpaAdam]

Superkal

Christopher Tolkien who heads the estate is like 90 years old and not a fan of the idea of his grandfathers work being put to film. Its not that he was displeased with the adaption (which he was) its more about the fact that in his mind no one can do it right. The man is of a different generation and failed to see that by Jackson making popular films he has drawn in even more fans of tolkien's work. Christopher also misses what JRR Tolkien set out to do. Which was, by his own admission, to give England a true mythology they could call their own. Tolkien always considered Arthur to be of french origin. As you know, im sure, mythology is handed down and changed and transformed by future generations. Jackson has done just that. He has taken JRR Tolkien's mythology and given it to a new generation in a new light. If Christopher cant see that due to his own bullheadedness not much can be done.

Well, he's an old fart, he won't be around much longer. Who's going to take his place?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, he's an old fart, he won't be around much longer. Who's going to take his place?

Probably the two kids he has that he didn't disown over the films. So, not looking good for those that want a release of the material.

 

[GrandpaAdam]

Well, thats a shame. I don't understand why he is so against those films, they were good shows.

 

[CGHulk]

Tolkien Estate Sues Warner Bros. Over 'Lord of the Rings' Slot Machines
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/tolkien-estate-sues-warner-bros-393212

The Tolkien Estate Sues to Protect Their Precious
http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2012/11/tolkien-lawsuit/

Christopher Tolkien told Le Monde that he didn’t like the films because “They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people 15 to 25, and it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film.”

 

[jacobed]

I'd hardly call the movies action movies. There's action in them sure but they are not action movies. The Tolkien Estate is just as annoying as PETA

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Two Towers is definitely an action film (and Legolas in general), not that I am complaining. I love the action in the first two movies.

 

[jacobed]

There's hardly any action til the end in Two Towers

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There's hardly any action til the end in Two Towers

The entire final act (which is the longest in the film) is action. The conclusion of each group of characters arc finds them in full scale war. Everyone, including the Hobbits, are involved in action. It is kind like say ESB. ESB is a more intimate story, but it still starts and ends with blasters and lightsabers.

Fellowship has its action more widely spread out, but I'd say they are about even.

 

[terry78]

Has he not heard of the people griping about how slow some of these flicks are? And Tolkien only had written word to describe the battles, but you do kind of have to see them played out when done in a film medium.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Lord of the Rings Ringwraith Hoodies!

Spoiler

That's awesome. We can look all dark and sinister when we're being beaten up by the basketball team.

 

[Abudefduf]

Here's a ****-ton of concept art:

http://www.tolkiendrim.com/orgie-visuelle/#more

Wow, there's lots of good stuff there. Love the Wargs, the female dwarves, and I like how the Goblin sorta look like naked-mole rats.

But then I saw this...

Where's my fuuuuu guy pic.

No seriously, wtf. How the heck did they end up transforming them in the Seven Dwarves when they started out with these awesome concepts? Wtf again.

 

[nachtschicht]

^Dang, those guys look great. Except maybe the blond one Great find, Boom.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Anyone hear about Ian Mckellen's breakdown on set yesterday? While filming on a green screen set, he started crying and shouted "this is not why I became an actor." I guess acting alone on a green screen set with your costars acting together on another set has been a huge issue.

I heard about this about a month ago. It happened during production. It was during the bag end scenes. They had a scale set built for the dwarves and bilbo. McKellen was off to the side in a green screen box acting by himself to be composited in later. McKellen got frustrated and lost his **** and Peter decided to do it differently from then on.

I understand why he got upset. Christopher Lee had similar frustrations on the Star Wars Prequel films. An actor of their caliber doesnt want to be shoved into a green box alone and told to act.

Wow! I had no idea that McKellen lost his cool like that. Jeez man, crying...? Calm down, Gandalf. It's good that Peter changed how the scenes were done, though. Shows he actually cares about his actors.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wow! I had no idea that McKellen lost his cool like that. Jeez man, crying...? Calm down, Gandalf. It's good that Peter changed how the scenes were done, though. Shows he actually cares about his actors.

You want your actors to have no emotions or passion? Weird.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

You want your actors to have no emotions or passion? Weird.

Where did I say that? I said that the crying was too much. Crying is fine if it's for a scene, but other than that it doesn't fly with me unless the reasoning is good. His reasoning seemed dramatic, like he lashed out in tears because he was stressed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Where did I say that? I said that the crying was too much. Crying is fine if it's for a scene, but other than that it doesn't fly with me unless the reasoning is good. His reasoning seemed dramatic, like he lashed out in tears because he was stressed.

Everything I ever read about or heard from the great actor themselves, it takes quite a bit to get into character. Emotional extremes are the norm. Those that wouldn't be that upset are the ones that would bother me.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Everything I ever read about or heard from the great actor themselves, it takes quite a bit to get into character. Emotional extremes are the norm. Those that wouldn't be that upset are the ones that would bother me.

From the sounds of it, McKellen had no problem getting into character, he was just having trouble because there was a green screen and no one to interact with. Actors are supposed to be emotionally sensitive because most roles require that sense of awareness, but I think he could have expressed his feelings in a different way. Even for an actor like McKellen, that seemed overly dramatic. Actors are known to be dramatic, so I'm not too surprised. I'm more surprised at the fact that it was McKellen that did it.

I do like that Jackson actually listened and changed the way that the scenes were done. Good man, that one.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Once in character the emotions don't go away. Also McKellen has made it aware that he isn't the biggest fan of Peter's need for 15 takes of everything.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Yep, but once in character the emotions are directed towards the requirements of the role. Actors are not expected to lash out like that on set, unless it's for a scene.

Sounds like you're making excuses for his behavior, which I don't agree with. I like the outcome, but I don't like what it took to get the outcome when it could have been achieved differently. I'm sure no one is a fan of Jackson's 15 takes, but you don't hear about them lashing out like that. Once again, I think it could have been handled differently.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yep, but once in character the emotions are directed towards the requirements of the role. Actors are not expected to lash out like that on set, unless it's for a scene.

Sounds like you're making excuses for his behavior, which I don't agree with. I like the outcome, but I don't like what it took to get the outcome when it could have been achieved differently. I'm sure no one is a fan of Jackson's 15 takes, but you don't hear about them lashing out like that. Once again, I think it could have been handled differently.

Says who?

I am not making excuses for behavior because there is no excuse needed. Sir Ian McKellen can do what he wants, especially when he is right.

I simply brought up the 15 take thing because Peter just makes crap situations worse.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Says who?

I am not making excuses for behavior because there is no excuse needed. Sir Ian McKellen can do what he wants, especially when he is right.

I simply brought up the 15 take thing because Peter just makes crap situations worse.

What do you mean says who? No one, including the crew and director, expects actors to lash out emotionally on set unless they have a negative reputation for it. It just happens.
And you're making excuses to justify his crying. I think McKellen could have expressed himself in a better way. Crying was not needed. Jackson doesn't make crap situations worse, he tries to accommodate his actors and this proves it. Don't make him out to be a bad guy.