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The Extended Editions box set on Blu-ray has all the special features DVDs that were in the Extended DVD box sets.
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Oh, cool. Maybe I'll order it then. I saw some blu-rays in Target a few weeks ago (they were individual and not a collected edition like this) for $10 each. I'm glad I didn't buy them, because I noticed later that they didn't have any features. Just the movie.
They looked real to me except for Azog. Which it didn't make any sense to me that he was CG since he has human proportions! So why didn't they just put a guy in makeup and make him bigger as they do with Ian Mckellen for Gandalf?
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just got back from my viewing...I loved it. Aside from a few things. Radagast....how does he fit into the story. If my memory serves me, doesn't Gandalf discover the power thats lurking in Dol Guldur in the time line of the appendix?? I know he ventures in it twice before the events of the hobbit.
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Well, obviously thats a change from the book to the movies. So thats Raddies part now.
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hmm...damn it PJ... no offence but come on. As much as I love Gandalf, discovering the lurking power within Dol Guldur is supposed to be his part...but then again...perhaps it will also be revealed that Gandalf is aware of the power in Dol Guldur when he first entered the ruins...but simply ignored the warnings...until Radagast reminded him.
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Oh my God...the moment they had one of the monsters singing a song of his own I knew that I loved this movie. I gave it a solid score of 8 though because I know the next movie is going to be better when they actually fight Smaug.
Oh, that and I have a crush on Thorin Oakenshield. He is the hottest dwarf in all of Middle Earth. Second I have to say is Kili, the Raven haired dwarf brother. Oh so glad they decided not to have the actor wear prosthetics. I mean they had to give we ladies a few Dwarf hotties because there is no Aragorn, Legolas (Well not yet anyway as he will be making a cameo in the next movie when the Dwarves get to Mirkwood. He is the Prince of the Mirkwood Elves you know. Can't wait!!!) or Eomer to drool over.
Oh, that and I have a crush on Thorin Oakenshield. He is the hottest dwarf in all of Middle Earth. Second I have to say is Kili, the Raven haired dwarf brother. Oh so glad they decided not to have the actor wear prosthetics. I mean they had to give we ladies a few Dwarf hotties because there is no Aragorn, Legolas (Well not yet anyway as he will be making a cameo in the next movie when the Dwarves get to Mirkwood. He is the Prince of the Mirkwood Elves you know. Can't wait!!!) or Eomer to drool over.
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I saw it and really enjoyed it. It isn't isn't a great film, but it is definitely a good one, a very good one at times. It is the kind of film that you can't help but smile at every few minutes. I loved Bilbo, Thorin and Gandalf. When the story is focused on their quest it worked very well. I don't know how they did it, but Gandalf felt younger then he did in the LOTR. Bilbo was just Bilbo. Thank you so much Martin Freeman. Thorin wasn't complicated, but he didn't need to be. He is proud man, a hard man and a hurt man. Any comparison to Aragorn seems completely out of place after seeing this. They are thankfully not the same character. The dwarves on the whole were also a lot of fun. A couple were annoying, but hey that is to be expected considering their numbers.
The film suffered from the excess. You lost Bilbo for a good portion of the middle of the film when it was focused on anything but their quest and it starts to drag.
The need to bring up the coming darkness and the true nature of the ring continually undermines Thorin and his company's quest. When the film is focused on them, when you see how much it means to them, it is at their best. You completely understand Bilbo's actions at the end of the film, because he too knows what this quest truly means. But bringing in all the big hitters and all the foreshadowing just negates that work. Why care about this company's efforts when we have a much bigger problem on the way? One we have already seen?
Azog, Frodo and Radagast didn't need to be in the film. They just didn't. They added little other then runtime, and quite a bit at that. You have to think a good 15-20 mins. Azog just felt forced, especially with the flashback and Goblin King's speech.
The bookend might still work, but I wasn't a big fan of Bilbo's narration and Frodo's presence served no purpose other then to show him. You can tell where all the comments about the opening feeling long are coming from. It isn't that the Bilbo, Dwarves and Gandalf scenes are long, it is that it takes a tad too long to get to them, which means it takes a tad too long to get everyone on the road.
Radagast was a part of one of my favorite moments in the film, and yet the rest of his time served little to nothing. You could have easily had Gandalf in that very same scene ([BLACKOUT]Witch-king's tomb[/BLACKOUT]) and it would have worked as well, if not better.
Just some other quick thoughts.
- Gandalf did magic. Real, honest magic and it was glorious. In fact there was a presence of the supernatural throughout was finally there and it worked really well.
- Adding on to that, Gandalf showing up to [BLACKOUT]save the company[/BLACKOUT] in the mountains was a tremendous example of adaptation. It was simply beautiful and I am so glad he handled the[BLACKOUT] Goblin King[/BLACKOUT].
- The trolls were terrific. The whole scene was so much fun. I honestly didn't know how they were standing after the Dwarves assault on them, but it was easy to let go after watching Bilbo buy time.
- I love Elrond so much here. His general nature was so fitting and his gear looked great.
- There is only one Cate Blanchett. That is all.
- The prologue felt a little forced, but I think it worked in the end. Got Thorin's bitterness over quite well.
- I geeked when the [BLACKOUT]Witch-king in spirit form[/BLACKOUT] showed up.
- I thought they made the identity of the [BLACKOUT]necromancer[/BLACKOUT] far too obvious.
- The CGI was really sketchy at times. The wargs never looked good and on close ups the Goblin King and Azog suffered greatly. The final shot of [BLACKOUT]Smaug[/BLACKOUT] was really disappointing. The [BLACKOUT]elk[/BLACKOUT] was horrendous. The trolls and Stone Giants however, looked amazing.
- Riddles in the Dark was great. Not how I imagined it, but incredible nevertheless.
- I have heard rumors that Gollum might show up again later in these films. I really, really hope not. His final scene and shot were perfect. Got everything it needed to get across. We don't need to see him again, in full, until the Two Towers.
- I wish Orcist and Glamdring had glowed blue.
The film suffered from the excess. You lost Bilbo for a good portion of the middle of the film when it was focused on anything but their quest and it starts to drag.
The need to bring up the coming darkness and the true nature of the ring continually undermines Thorin and his company's quest. When the film is focused on them, when you see how much it means to them, it is at their best. You completely understand Bilbo's actions at the end of the film, because he too knows what this quest truly means. But bringing in all the big hitters and all the foreshadowing just negates that work. Why care about this company's efforts when we have a much bigger problem on the way? One we have already seen?
Azog, Frodo and Radagast didn't need to be in the film. They just didn't. They added little other then runtime, and quite a bit at that. You have to think a good 15-20 mins. Azog just felt forced, especially with the flashback and Goblin King's speech.
The bookend might still work, but I wasn't a big fan of Bilbo's narration and Frodo's presence served no purpose other then to show him. You can tell where all the comments about the opening feeling long are coming from. It isn't that the Bilbo, Dwarves and Gandalf scenes are long, it is that it takes a tad too long to get to them, which means it takes a tad too long to get everyone on the road.
Radagast was a part of one of my favorite moments in the film, and yet the rest of his time served little to nothing. You could have easily had Gandalf in that very same scene ([BLACKOUT]Witch-king's tomb[/BLACKOUT]) and it would have worked as well, if not better.
Just some other quick thoughts.
- Gandalf did magic. Real, honest magic and it was glorious. In fact there was a presence of the supernatural throughout was finally there and it worked really well.
- Adding on to that, Gandalf showing up to [BLACKOUT]save the company[/BLACKOUT] in the mountains was a tremendous example of adaptation. It was simply beautiful and I am so glad he handled the[BLACKOUT] Goblin King[/BLACKOUT].
- The trolls were terrific. The whole scene was so much fun. I honestly didn't know how they were standing after the Dwarves assault on them, but it was easy to let go after watching Bilbo buy time.
- I love Elrond so much here. His general nature was so fitting and his gear looked great.
- There is only one Cate Blanchett. That is all.
- The prologue felt a little forced, but I think it worked in the end. Got Thorin's bitterness over quite well.
- I geeked when the [BLACKOUT]Witch-king in spirit form[/BLACKOUT] showed up.
- I thought they made the identity of the [BLACKOUT]necromancer[/BLACKOUT] far too obvious.
- The CGI was really sketchy at times. The wargs never looked good and on close ups the Goblin King and Azog suffered greatly. The final shot of [BLACKOUT]Smaug[/BLACKOUT] was really disappointing. The [BLACKOUT]elk[/BLACKOUT] was horrendous. The trolls and Stone Giants however, looked amazing.
- Riddles in the Dark was great. Not how I imagined it, but incredible nevertheless.
- I have heard rumors that Gollum might show up again later in these films. I really, really hope not. His final scene and shot were perfect. Got everything it needed to get across. We don't need to see him again, in full, until the Two Towers.
- I wish Orcist and Glamdring had glowed blue.
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I saw it and really enjoyed it. It isn't isn't a great film, but it is definitely a good one, a very good one at times. It is the kind of film that you can't help but smile at every few minutes. I loved Bilbo, Thorin and Gandalf. When the story is focused on their quest it worked very well. I don't know how they did it, but Gandalf felt younger then he did in the LOTR. Bilbo was just Bilbo. Thank you so much Martin Freeman. Thorin wasn't complicated, but he didn't need to be. He is proud man, a hard man and a hurt man. Any comparison to Aragorn seems completely out of place after seeing this. They are thankfully not the same character. The dwarves on the whole were also a lot of fun. A couple were annoying, but hey that is to be expected considering their numbers.
The film suffered from the excess. You lost Bilbo for a good portion of the middle of the film when it was focused on anything but their quest and it starts to drag.
The need to bring up the coming darkness and the true nature of the ring continually undermines Thorin and his company's quest. When the film is focused on them, when you see how much it means to them, it is at their best. You completely understand Bilbo's actions at the end of the film, because he too knows what this quest truly means. But bringing in all the big hitters and all the foreshadowing just negates that work. Why care about this company's efforts when we have a much bigger problem on the way? One we have already seen?
Azog, Frodo and Radagast didn't need to be in the film. They just didn't. They added little other then runtime, and quite a bit at that. You have to think a good 15-20 mins. Azog just felt forced, especially with the flashback and Goblin King's speech.
The bookend might still work, but I wasn't a big fan of Bilbo's narration and Frodo's presence served no purpose other then to show him. You can tell where all the comments about the opening feeling long are coming from. It isn't that the Bilbo, Dwarves and Gandalf scenes are long, it is that it takes a tad too long to get to them, which means it takes a tad too long to get everyone on the road.
Radagast was a part of one of my favorite moments in the film, and yet the rest of his time served little to nothing. You could have easily had Gandalf in that very same scene ([BLACKOUT]Witch-king's tomb[/BLACKOUT]) and it would have worked as well, if not better.
Just some other quick thoughts.
- Gandalf did magic. Real, honest magic and it was glorious. In fact there was a presence of the supernatural throughout was finally there and it worked really well.
- Adding on to that, Gandalf showing up to [BLACKOUT]save the company[/BLACKOUT] in the mountains was a tremendous example of adaptation. It was simply beautiful and I am so glad he handled the[BLACKOUT] Goblin King[/BLACKOUT].
- The trolls were terrific. The whole scene was so much fun. I honestly didn't know how they were standing after the Dwarves assault on them, but it was easy to let go after watching Bilbo buy time.
- I love Elrond so much here. His general nature was so fitting and his gear looked great.
- There is only one Cate Blanchett. That is all.
- The prologue felt a little forced, but I think it worked in the end. Got Thorin's bitterness over quite well.
- I geeked when the [BLACKOUT]Witch-king in spirit form[/BLACKOUT] showed up.
- I thought they made the identity of the [BLACKOUT]necromancer[/BLACKOUT] far too obvious.
- The CGI was really sketchy at times. The wargs never looked good and on close ups the Goblin King and Azog suffered greatly. The final shot of [BLACKOUT]Smaug[/BLACKOUT] was really disappointing. The trolls and Stone Giants however, looked amazing.
- Riddles in the Dark was great. Not how I imagined it, but incredible nevertheless.
- I have heard rumors that Gollum might show up again later in these films. I really, really hope not. His final scene and shot were perfect. Got everything it needed to get across. We don't need to see him again, in full, until the Two Towers.
- I wish Orcist and Glamdring had glowed blue.
Glad to hear you enjoyed it.
Where would you rank it among the other films?Lotrfanturkey
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100% agree. I think dwarves should've been more like Gimli. I think if he stuck with the technology he used in LOTR it would be great. Still a great movie
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Glad to hear you enjoyed it.
I terms of which I think is the best film? Third, behind FotR and TTT. The list would go FotR, TTT, AUJ, RotK.
In terms of which films I am probably going to watch far too many times for my own good? I think it will possibly be behind only FotR in that regard, but I have to see it a few more times before I am sure. It is neck and neck in that regard with TTT. It just has some of my favorite content. Freeman's Bilbo, Armitage's Thorin, The trolls, Riddles in the Dark, the Unexpected Party, the time in Rivendell (so full of life), the escape, Gandalf being Gandalf etc.
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it may earn $200 million over the weekend world wide.
wish us aussies didn't have to wait until boxing day.
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Sorry about the late release date.from deadline
it may earn $200 million over the weekend world wide.
wish us aussies didn't have to wait until boxing day.
These are going to make bank. So happy for those involved, especially Freeman. I wonder how much it can get before the New Year.
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from deadline
it may earn $200 million over the weekend world wide.
wish us aussies didn't have to wait until boxing day.
Damn that sux you have to wait. I feel your pain. Skyfall came out in the US 2 weeks after the UK. Listening to all the Brits praising it was torture.
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Saw the film early yesterday morning and loved it!
Some notes:
The pacing felt consistent with the Lord of the Rings, though perhaps I say that because I've only been watching the extended cuts for years.
It disappointed me how much CGI was used, but I was actually quite surprised by how good a lot of it was. The rock giants in particular looked spectacular!
The 48fps... I actually.. kinda liked it? It was incredibly distracting at first and like everyone's been saying, feels like it's sped up. But while it never looked perfect in the film, during a good majority of it it feels quite epic and intimate. Some of the shots of the various mountains and landscapes in particular were jaw dropping. I'm actually really interested in seeing it again in 48fps, but I wish they had an option without the 3D.
Some notes:
The pacing felt consistent with the Lord of the Rings, though perhaps I say that because I've only been watching the extended cuts for years.
It disappointed me how much CGI was used, but I was actually quite surprised by how good a lot of it was. The rock giants in particular looked spectacular!
The 48fps... I actually.. kinda liked it? It was incredibly distracting at first and like everyone's been saying, feels like it's sped up. But while it never looked perfect in the film, during a good majority of it it feels quite epic and intimate. Some of the shots of the various mountains and landscapes in particular were jaw dropping. I'm actually really interested in seeing it again in 48fps, but I wish they had an option without the 3D.
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I liked the references to the LOTR movies. Eg. Gandalf says "home is behind, the world is ahead" to Bilbo when they first set out for the journey. Those words are the beginning lyrics of the song that Pippin sings to Denethor
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Saw the movie yesterday. High Frame Rate has some nice qualities, like the impressive sharpness and clarity. But the dodgy and awkward moments that comes with it, makes it so not worth it.
The films itself? Too much filler that neither doesn't add anything or is enthralling or impressive in itself. It's quite simply too long between the good stuff – cause there is good stuff in it, that can't be denied. For example they totally nailed Riddles in the Dark, that scene is fantastic. Serkis Gollum is better than ever – funny, tragic and creepy. The mo-cap CGI is also splendid. Freeman as Bilbo is also great in this scene, as he is in the whole movie.
It's also from this scene that the movie picks up and the last half hour is quite exciting with some really memorable moments and a teasing ending that – even though the movie as a whole only is decent – makes one curious about the sequel.
The dwarves themselves were a bit of a problem. I get what Jackson is trying to do, giving them all unique features and such, but I think he went too far. Most of them looks a bit too silly and stereotypical. Oh and Kili, he doesn't look like a dwarf at all and feels incredibly out of place. Not all the dwarf humor worked either and it would have been more effective if they had pulled back on some of it.
Thorin was badass enough though. And McKellen as Gandalf is always a pleasure to watch and he had some great lines and delivery in this one. I also thought The White Council was a highlight. Fantastic actors dynamically playing off each other in beautiful images. And there were a lot of pretty and cool images in the movie, some really cool rides with the camera was implemented in a great way. But the cool and beautiful visual moments also – like the good story beats – came too far apart.
6/10 or 3/5
The films itself? Too much filler that neither doesn't add anything or is enthralling or impressive in itself. It's quite simply too long between the good stuff – cause there is good stuff in it, that can't be denied. For example they totally nailed Riddles in the Dark, that scene is fantastic. Serkis Gollum is better than ever – funny, tragic and creepy. The mo-cap CGI is also splendid. Freeman as Bilbo is also great in this scene, as he is in the whole movie.
It's also from this scene that the movie picks up and the last half hour is quite exciting with some really memorable moments and a teasing ending that – even though the movie as a whole only is decent – makes one curious about the sequel.
The dwarves themselves were a bit of a problem. I get what Jackson is trying to do, giving them all unique features and such, but I think he went too far. Most of them looks a bit too silly and stereotypical. Oh and Kili, he doesn't look like a dwarf at all and feels incredibly out of place. Not all the dwarf humor worked either and it would have been more effective if they had pulled back on some of it.
Thorin was badass enough though. And McKellen as Gandalf is always a pleasure to watch and he had some great lines and delivery in this one. I also thought The White Council was a highlight. Fantastic actors dynamically playing off each other in beautiful images. And there were a lot of pretty and cool images in the movie, some really cool rides with the camera was implemented in a great way. But the cool and beautiful visual moments also – like the good story beats – came too far apart.
6/10 or 3/5
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gods I hope that last picture is of Dain
Nope, it's:
Young Dwalin
Does anyone know what that book is? It's not the Art of the Hobbit nor the Visual Guide.
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