Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 8

[Kane52630]

‘The Hobbit’ Breaks Records Around Globe: $84.7M Weekend In U.S.-Canada For All-Time Christmas Release; #1 Overseas With $57M
http://www.deadline.com/2012/12/the...dnight-u-s-canada-opening-sets-december-mark/

Hollywood has high hopes for this all-important holiday box office now that this journey to Middle Earth is the largest Christmas release of all time. Rival studios knew Peter Jackson‘s film adaptation of the 1937 JRR Tolkien novel would be a monster hitso left this weekendalone. Warner Bros says The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey opened to $37.5M Friday and $28.1M Saturday and an estimated $19.1M Sunday for an $84.7M weekend with an ‘A’ CinemaScore from audiences. There are two records shattered – biggest December Friday and biggest December weekend for the domestic box office. The debut for the 3D actioner from MGM/Warner Bros in 4,045 theaters is grossing much larger than The Lord Of The Ringstrilogy. Friday’s take included a record $13M from 3,100 midnight shows, counting $1.6M on IMAX screens. The pic based on matinee trends had been on a $113+M fast track for its first U.S.-Canada weekend. But then its business slowed Friday evening no doubt because of its very long 2 hour, 46 minute running time. Exit polling of the audience showed that males made up 57%/females 43%, and that under 25 years old were 42%/over 25 yrs old 58%/under 18 years old 20%.

 

[kedrell]

I did keep waiting for Thorin to say "Hail Hydra!".

 

[Doctor Jones]

I like how Jackson is allowed to change things all he wants in these films, and has shown he is willing to, but when he leaves a potentially bad idea in, it is Tolkien's fault.

Well in this case, Tolkien did create the idea which Jackson left in. One could say it is Jackson's fault for leaving them in, and going back to ROTK, if they weren't there, no doubt there would have been complaints of leaving the eagles out regardless.

With these things you can't win.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well in this case, Tolkien did create the idea which Jackson left in. One could say it is Jackson's fault for leaving them in, and going back to ROTK, if they weren't there, no doubt there would have been complaints of leaving the eagles out regardless.

With these things you can't win.

Whether I agree with the decision or not, I don't think fanboy complaints is ever a reason to do or not do something.

Also it doesn't apply to Jackson. This is the guy that added elves to Helm's Deep, changed Aragorn's character arc as seen with Anduril, shoved Arwen down our throats, cut Tom Bombadil, cut the Scorching of the Shire, and did the completely unforgivable and cut Glorfindel.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I did keep waiting for Thorin to say "Hail Hydra!".

I never thought I'd see that guy playing Thorin.

 

[redhawk23]

So I saw the film in 48 fps. The first few scenes with old Bilbo looked really bad, as did the chase scene with Radagast and the Wargs. It looked undercranked like a 1920's comedy reel.

Most of the movie, when Jackson goes back to moving the camera and lighting like he normally would looked fine, but I don't think anything was really gained.


Also 3d does nothing for me after about 20 minutes. That's any film though, not just this one.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Whether I agree with the decision or not, I don't think fanboy complaints is ever a reason to do or not do something.

Also it doesn't apply to Jackson. This is the guy that added elves to Helm's Deep, changed Aragorn's character arc as seen with Anduril, shoved Arwen down our throats, cut Tom Bombadil, cut the Scorching of the Shire, and did the completely unforgivable and cut Glorfindel.

Oh, of course not. I'm just talking about opinion. There will always be a mix of people who complain no matter what. It's just best to go with what you think is right in the end.

But all of these changes were actually good for the film for good reasoning?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh, of course not. I'm just talking about opinion. There will always be a mix of people who complain no matter what. It's just best to go with what you think is right in the end.

But all of these changes were actually good for the film for good reasoning?

Arwen for Glorfindel? Nevah. Same with only Sting glowing.

But I did think most worked in the films, some very well. That just adds to my point though. If you can change such things it is no excuse to simply go with "its in the book". Adding Elves to Helm's Deep made their ability to last the night actually look reasonable.

 

[Marvolo]

Whether I agree with the decision or not, I don't think fanboy complaints is ever a reason to do or not do something.

Also it doesn't apply to Jackson. This is the guy that added elves to Helm's Deep, changed Aragorn's character arc as seen with Anduril, shoved Arwen down our throats, cut Tom Bombadil, cut the Scorching of the Shire, and did the completely unforgivable and cut Glorfindel.

Jackson needs to hang a lantern on why the eagles wont do these things. I can kind of forgive it in the LOTR because it come across like divine intervention which they are, but in the Hobbit the eagles save them and drop them within sight of the Lonely Mountain but just far enough away so our characters can get in more danger and we can get two more films. That is how it comes across in this film.

 

[Doctor Jones]

edit.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Arwen for Glorfindel? Nevah. Same with only Sting glowing.

But I did think most worked in the films, some very well. That just adds to my point though. If you can change such things it is no excuse to simply go with "its in the book". Adding Elves to Helm's Deep made their ability to last the night actually look reasonable.

You gotta bear with me here, as it's been a long time since I've read the books (I'm re-reading Fellowship slowly right now) as in Sting isn't the only sword that glows? If that's the case, I can see why it it. Probably to make it more special and unique to amplify its effect so it doesn't wear out in its overuse.

So what you are saying is that the eagles should have been rid of entirely for the films to rid this issue?

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

In the movie, Gandalf explains that since the sword is Elvish it'll glow blue with Orcs or Goblins are nearby. Since Glamdring and Orcist are also Elvish blades, according to Gandalf's logic, they should glow blue as well.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I wouldn't fault them for it. But for myself as someone in the know about the subject, it doesn't bother me in the least. Though I wish they had included the scene where Gandalf thanks the lord of the eagles for their rescue and Gwaihir explains that he owed Gandalf a debt for caring for him when he had been brought down by an arrow years before. Not sure if that is in the book or just the cartoon but it would have helped the situation regardless.

Yeah me too. I wish that scene was included.

When I was doing some LOTR fanfiction, I wrote a scene where Gandalf saved Gwaihir from a poison orc arrow. if anyone is interested in reading it. just ask. I've been working some scenes involing Aragorn going off into the wild after learning who he is and what he is meant to do. A few years later into his hard labours, he meets Gandalf and their friendship is formed. Of course theres the meeting between Aragorn and Arwen. I wrote a prelude to FOTR where Gandalf tells Aragorn that they must double the watch along the boarders of the shire. So I am writing scenes from the time line in the appendixes as a guide to help me.

 

[C. Lee]

A couple of thoughts....

I've read some people complain about the inclusion of the songs in the movie (one person at the Hype, but not in this thread....said it was one of the worst things about the movie)....and that brings up personal preference and opinion. My wife and I are fans of Tolkien's books. Over the years, there are times where we are doing the dishes together...and we sing the THAT'S WHAT BILBO BAGGINS HATES song. So seeing that in the movie was a wonderful moment for me. I have heard from several others on here it is a wonderful moment for them as well. So....some people are disappointed in the movie because it included a song that is in the book and loved by many. That's their preference.

I've also read where where some people have complained about the travelling scenes. That they are just padding and boring. I personally think back to watching the movie yesterday and saying to myself while those scenes played....wow, beautiful, wish I was there.......again, personal preference. That's the way it goes with life. What you love....someone else hates....what you hate....someone else loves.

I'm currently watching LOTR:FOTR SE.

Before I put it on, I was rewatching the extras on the theatrical edition. I haven't watched them in many years. In the section of it previewing TTT....it shows a snippet of a scene in the caves at Helm's Deep. A Uruk-Hai warrior advancing, and Eowyn lifting a sword in defense. I wonder how much of that was filmed and completed. Anyone know?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

A couple of thoughts....

I've read some people complain about the inclusion of the songs in the movie (one person at the Hype, but not in this thread....said it was one of the worst things about the movie)....and that brings up personal preference and opinion. My wife and I are fans of Tolkien's books. Over the years, there are times where we are doing the dishes together...and we sing the THAT'S WHAT BILBO BAGGINS HATES song. So seeing that in the movie was a wonderful moment for me. I have heard from several others on here it is a wonderful moment for them as well. So....some people are disappointed in the movie because it included a song that is in the book and loved by many. That's their preference.

I've also read where where some people have complained about the travelling scenes. That they are just padding and boring. I personally think back to watching the movie yesterday and saying to myself while those scenes played....wow, beautiful, wish I was there.......again, personal preference. That's the way it goes with life. What you love....someone else hates....what you hate....someone else loves.

I'm currently watching LOTR:FOTR SE.

Before I put it on, I was rewatching the extras on the theatrical edition. I haven't watched them in many years. In the section of it previewing TTT....it shows a snippet of a scene in the caves at Helm's Deep. A Uruk-Hai warrior advancing, and Eowyn lifting a sword in defense. I wonder how much of that was filmed and completed. Anyone know?

I believe the filming for that scene was completed...but was cut.

 

[C. Lee]

I believe the filming for that scene was completed...but was cut.

So I have something special to look forward to on the 25th anniversary edition t:t:t:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You gotta bear with me here, as it's been a long time since I've read the books (I'm re-reading Fellowship slowly right now) as in Sting isn't the only sword that glows? If that's the case, I can see why it it. Probably to make it more special and unique to amplify its effect so it doesn't wear out in its overuse.

So what you are saying is that the eagles should have been rid of entirely for the films to rid this issue?

That is one possibility. There are others, like an explanation of why they do what they do would be another.

In the movie, Gandalf explains that since the sword is Elvish it'll glow blue with Orcs or Goblins are nearby. Since Glamdring and Orcist are also Elvish blades, according to Gandalf's logic, they should glow blue as well.

I hit my head when he said that. I was like "Don't you see the big contradiction?!?!?!", especially with the Elrond scene in the film.

A couple of thoughts....

I've read some people complain about the inclusion of the songs in the movie (one person at the Hype, but not in this thread....said it was one of the worst things about the movie)....and that brings up personal preference and opinion. My wife and I are fans of Tolkien's books. Over the years, there are times where we are doing the dishes together...and we sing the THAT'S WHAT BILBO BAGGINS HATES song. So seeing that in the movie was a wonderful moment for me. I have heard from several others on here it is a wonderful moment for them as well. So....some people are disappointed in the movie because it included a song that is in the book and loved by many. That's their preference.

I've also read where where some people have complained about the travelling scenes. That they are just padding and boring. I personally think back to watching the movie yesterday and saying to myself while those scenes played....wow, beautiful, wish I was there.......again, personal preference. That's the way it goes with life. What you love....someone else hates....what you hate....someone else loves.

I'm currently watching LOTR:FOTR SE.

Before I put it on, I was rewatching the extras on the theatrical edition. I haven't watched them in many years. In the section of it previewing TTT....it shows a snippet of a scene in the caves at Helm's Deep. A Uruk-Hai warrior advancing, and Eowyn lifting a sword in defense. I wonder how much of that was filmed and completed. Anyone know?

Loved the songs, but wasn't a fan of a lot of the traveling scenes. For me it is execution. The songs worked really well I think because of the editing, that they limited the number and that they were done with gusto. They like the almost stereotypical "beautiful" Elves at Rivendell with their instrutments worked for the same reasons.

The traveling however, felt very forced at times. Became exposition and at times simply stalling scenes.

On the Eowyn in the glittering caves scene, I am pretty sure they filmed it all. It is one of the pieces of footage I really, really want to see from the trilogy. It appeared in trailers and behind the scene footage. I am a big fan of the film Eowyn, so it stuck in my head and I noticed its absence right away.

One of my favorite TTT factoids is how clear it is that they changed it from Eowyn greeting Aragorn upon his return to Legolas late in the game. You can clearly see when Eowyn embraces Aragorn after the battle, it is from his return before the battle. He is still wearing his cloak.

 

[Superhero 101]

Alright guys i am going to see the it today but the question i need to ask is is it worth it watching it in 48 fps?

 

[Kane52630]

Alright guys i am going to see the it today but the question i need to ask is is it worth it watching it in 48 fps?

I'd say check it out because you can watch the 2D version at any time. It was odd at first but you will get used to it as the film goes along.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Alright guys i am going to see the it today but the question i need to ask is is it worth it watching it in 48 fps?

Considering how many reports are saying it has problems, including quite a few here, I say see it in normal 2D first, especially if you care about the story. If you want to see 48fps, do it on a second viewing.

 

[Kane52630]

I can see 48fps be big with animated 3D films, since most of the time that worked really well with any of the CG characters in The Hobbit.

 

[Marvolo]

Considering how many reports are saying it has problems, including quite a few here, I say see it in normal 2D first, especially if you care about the story. If you want to see 48fps, do it on a second viewing.

I watched it in 2D but I would suggest 24fps 3D above all. The fighting seemed extremely crowded and cluttered in the 2D and with the added depth of 3D it might make the fights look better.

 

[Superhero 101]

Considering how many reports are saying it has problems, including quite a few here, I say see it in normal 2D first, especially if you care about the story. If you want to see 48fps, do it on a second viewing.

Thanks!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I watched it in 2D but I would suggest 24fps 3D above all. The fighting seemed extremely crowded and cluttered in the 2D and with the added depth of 3D it might make the fights look better.

I am not a fan of 3D, but if that is your normal viewing habits, then that would probably be best.

 

[Frodo]

A couple of thoughts....

I've read some people complain about the inclusion of the songs in the movie (one person at the Hype, but not in this thread....said it was one of the worst things about the movie)....and that brings up personal preference and opinion. My wife and I are fans of Tolkien's books. Over the years, there are times where we are doing the dishes together...and we sing the THAT'S WHAT BILBO BAGGINS HATES song. So seeing that in the movie was a wonderful moment for me. I have heard from several others on here it is a wonderful moment for them as well. So....some people are disappointed in the movie because it included a song that is in the book and loved by many. That's their preference.

I've also read where where some people have complained about the travelling scenes. That they are just padding and boring. I personally think back to watching the movie yesterday and saying to myself while those scenes played....wow, beautiful, wish I was there.......again, personal preference. That's the way it goes with life. What you love....someone else hates....what you hate....someone else loves.

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I didn't like the songs myself, but that had to do more with the melodies than the words. But its a matter of taste though , as you pointed out. I'm the opposite on the travelling and walking parts given that New Zealand looks so lovely. The original films have tons of walking and travelling in them so I didn't have an issue there.

The way I see it , the only thing that really matters is whether or not one enjoys the experience and likes the film. What others think is interesting in that you get a different perspective on something but ultimately whether the individual viewer had a good time and liked it is really all that matters in the end imo.