Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 9

[ThePhantasm]

The balrog fled after Morgoth's defeat in the first age of the world. He hid deep under the earth. The Dwarves delved too deep and awoke it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Okay, I remember reading that somewhere.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

But only Gandalf could defeat the Balrog of Morgoth!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Gandalf died doing so though. Then it is said that Eru (God) intervened and resurrected him as the head of his order to finish his interrupted task.

 

[ThePhantasm]

The fates of the Dwarves (SPOILERS!):

Thorin: [BLACKOUT]Killed in the Battle of Five Armies.[/BLACKOUT]
Balin: [BLACKOUT]Killed by an orc archer during the recolonization of Moria. The only one every described returning to Bag End to visit Bilbo.
[/BLACKOUT]Dwalin: [BLACKOUT]Dies of old age at 340 years old.[/BLACKOUT]
Bifur: [BLACKOUT]Fate Unknown. [/BLACKOUT]
Bofur: [BLACKOUT]Fate Unknown.[/BLACKOUT]
Bombur: [BLACKOUT]Becomes so fat that it requires 6 dwarves to lift him.[/BLACKOUT]
Fili: [BLACKOUT]Killed in the Battle of Five Armies while protecting Thorin.[/BLACKOUT]
Kili: [BLACKOUT]Suffers the exact same fate as Fili.[/BLACKOUT]
Oin: [BLACKOUT]Killed by the Watcher in the Water at Moria. [/BLACKOUT]
Gloin: [BLACKOUT]Appears later at the Council of Elrond. Has a son named Gimli. [/BLACKOUT]
Dori: [BLACKOUT]Fate Unknown. [/BLACKOUT]
Nori: [BLACKOUT]His fate is also unknown.[/BLACKOUT]
Ori: [BLACKOUT]Among the last to be killed in Balin's attempt to reclaim Moria. Wrote in a book chronicling the colonies' last moments. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yes, Balin retakes it. His tomb is the one Gimli weeps over.

Given that Balin is currently with Thorin Oakenshield, the retaking of Moria occurs between the Hobbit and LOTR. When they retake Moria, they accidentally awaken the Balrog.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Balrog already awakened by King Durin VI five hundred years before Balin attacked Moria? Hence why that particular Balrog is called "Durin's Bane".

 

[ThePhantasm]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Balrog already awakened by King Durin VI five hundred years before Balin attacked Moria? Hence why that particular Balrog is called "Durin's Bane".

Yes, you are right. What I meant was that Balin thinks the Balrog is gone or asleep, and his colony survives for a little while until the Balrog is alerted to their presence. Balin builds the colony against Dain's advice, as Dain thinks the Balrog still remains there.

 

[ThePhantasm]

[YT]http://youtu.be/pisaxtEARAE[/YT]

Hey guys, I spotted 3 Extended Edition scenes in this featurette (or, at least, scenes omitted from the theatrical cut).

At 2:31 we see Bilbo walking through the Shire with some sort of basket.
At 7:20 Bilbo looks at the Shards of Narsil at Rivendell.
At 7:34 we see Gandalf riding across a plain and also fighting a bunch of orcs at Dol Guldur.

 

[jmc]

The thought of an extended edition of this film frightens me.

 

[Sundancer]

Okay, so did the goblins retake Moria after Balin then realized "oh crap, the dwarves woke something up. We need to be quiet"(?)

 

[DCW]

Me too jmc, big time. Even though I enjoyed the theatrical version, it most definitely drags in parts.

 

[ThePhantasm]

The thought of an extended edition of this film frightens me.

It excites me!

 

[Ultimatehero]

It excites me!

Here too. I own all the extended editions. Also wondering if they'll hold off the release date again (hope not). I'm unsure since extended editions seem to be more present this day and age than it was back then which may (or may not) have an impact.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Okay, so did the goblins retake Moria after Balin then realized "oh crap, the dwarves woke something up. We need to be quiet"(?)

No. The Goblins were already slowly migrating to Moria after Durin's fall. Balrog didn't seem to mind.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Okay, so did the goblins retake Moria after Balin then realized "oh crap, the dwarves woke something up. We need to be quiet"(?)

Balrogs were allied with orcs and goblins in the old days. They are on the same side. They are all servants of Morgoth.

 

[CGHulk]

Sorry. I quoted the wrong post and made a typing mistake. I meant to quote your original post. I think you mistook Erebor for Moria in the prologue.

Need to go to sleep.

Tonight I saw the movie again. In the movie they say the Mines of Moria, in the book it's the Battle of Erebor.

This time I watched it in 2D as before I saw it in 3D at 48fps and this time it was so much better.

In 2D the illusion that is film holds up. In 3D at 48fps the illusion is ruined, where you notice that the sets look fake the lighting is studio lighting and CG looks even more fake.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Tonight I saw the movie again. In the movie they say the Mines of Moria, in the book it's the Battle of Erebor, in the movie it's Moria.

What is? Smaug attacks Erebor. The battle with the goblins (Azog) is at Moria. This is true for both book and film.

 

[CGHulk]

edit.

 

[Victarion]

Did the Balrog possess the intelligence and ability to parley with other beings, such as the maiar or the Moria goblins?

 

[lespaul59]

Tonight I want to see The Hobbit in HFR 3D and loved it. But with that being said I can see why people don't like it. I also think it should only be used for select movies because I just don't think it would work well with some movies. Plus it would get old kinda fast in my opinion. I actually had to go to a theater just over an hour away from where I live. It was worth it because not only did I love the HFR but the Regal Cinema I went to had a larger screen than the local Regal Cinema I go to has. Also if you're not sure you're gonna be able to see the movie more than once I saw stick with the regular 3D or the 2D versions because I would play it safe and watch a version of the movie I know I'll like rather than going to watch a version that you might not like. As for the movie the second time around I thought the movie went much faster than the first time around. I do think a few spots could be trimmed down. I think at least 15 minutes could be shaved off to make the movie tighter. At the smae time I wouldn't take more 20min off off the run time. I would probaly get rid of the White Council scene becuase this scene just don't add anything in my opinion. I would also cut the Bilbo/Frodo scene by 1-2min becuase I like the scene but it could be tighter. By the way all of the figures I'm using are just rough guesses because I don't know how long the scenes actually run. I give The Hobbit a 8/10

On another note I had two things said to me on Christmas Day that I was hoping I wouldn't hear. One was does the Hobbit have the same cast as LOTR. I'm still not sure if I was being asked if TH had the same actors as LOTR or if TH had the same characters as LOTR. My answer was Gandalf and that there is a short scene with Bilbo and Frodo. The second thing was I had a few family memebers talking about TH as if it is one movie and not three. I tried to explain that TH was three movies and not one but I didn't get anywhere with them. This makes me wonder how many other people think they're going see a movie with the same characters as LOTR along with the mind set that they're going to see one compleat movie. I also wonder how many people go to see TH expecting it to be mainly about the One Ring?

 

[Lucien]

Did the Balrog possess the intelligence and ability to parley with other beings, such as the maiar or the Moria goblins?

The Balrogs were Maiar, so yes. One of Morgoth's chief liutenants was a Balrog called Gothmog and he commanded armies.

 

[ThePhantasm]

“Good storytelling-spotting!” Boyens said, when we asked why we didn’t see Thráin, father of Dwarf leader Thorin Oakenshield and one of the bearers of a Ring of Power, give Gandalf the map and key. (Gandalf had found Thráin near death at Dol Guldur.)

“We did try it at the front of this movie, and then we moved it,” she said. Does that mean we’ll see that moment in a flashback or prologue to The Desolation of Smaug?

“Yes, it’s very important that we’re going to be doing that. We will be meeting Thráin, and it may be in unfortunate circumstances. It may involve torture. The discovery of who or what is in Dol Guldur” — i.e., Sauron, known only at this point as the Necromancer — “is a fantastic part of the storytelling, so yes, of course we went there.”

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[Godsfireworks]

I for one, am simply looking forward to an evil Smaug, one that just reeks of death and destruction. Not some giant fat cat with bat wings. And I think that they're going to pull it off, from the prologue you get the sense he doesn't give a rip about life or anything good, he just wants his gold, and the destruction of those who oppose him. That is the Smaug I can't wait to see next year.

 

[Zatanna]

Saw it yesterday, finally. My previous plans to see it went south.

I give the overall film an... 8 out of 10. Adore Thorin, ADORE Richard Armitage as Thorin. I didn't expect to enjoy him as much as I did, but I think I enjoyed Balin the most out of the Dwarves.

Kili and Fili... can I keep those two forever? SPOILER! [BLACKOUT]Not looking forward to Kili and Fili's fates. Or Thorin's. And I'm sad whenever I look at Balin. *cries* [/BLACKOUT] It will be painful.

I payed close attention to the end scene with Smaug after reading some of the complaints here and... well I have no complaints. He looked amazing.

Azog and the Goblin King, yeah, nothing more can be said about how fake they look, particularly.

I guess I'm easy to please when it comes to this, because those are the only complaints I have at the moment, although I see why there are criticisms when it comes to the pacing, and that brought it down a point for me. I almost burst into tears in the theater from the fangasm of it all. I'm seeing it again tomorrow.

And... that's all I'm gonna say, because I don't wish to get caught up in debates in this particular thread. If my post is too "hollow" or doesn't explain my thoughts well enough, then just forget everything I said!

 

[Zatanna]

I would have hated it if they cut the number of dwarves. Call me a purist if you will, but that would have really been a disappointment to me.

Same here.