Prometheus - Part 8

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What will happen is this:

The people will go to the engineer homeworld and this will not go well...

The Engineers will send their "A list" species eradicators, the xenomorphs to earth to wipe out human life,

this will somehow get thwarted and it will crash on LV-426..LV -223 will be a separate derelict and will be resolved in a later movie.
 
What was the original opening?
There was an elder Engineer.
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See pics of it:
http://www.prometheusforum.net/disc...er-engineer-and-more-behind-the-scenes-photos

http://www.prometheusforum.net/disc...s-from-prometheus-the-art-of-the-film-updated
 
Promtheus is number 1 at the British box office for the second week in a row. At its current rate Prometheus might be looking at $300 million or more when all is said and done.
 
Just checked BO for the Alien series. Did not know AvP2 made so much money. :dry:

Also hope Prometheus knocks AvP off the top of the worldwide BO.
 
Some managed to work out what david asked the Engineer!

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It looks like they worshipped the Xenomorph. That elaborate cave etching and the green rock or whatever it was. Maybe that's like their god of death/destruction.

From the cave etching and the 2,000-year-old dead Engineers with burst chests, the Xenomorphs clearly existed before. The one at the end is not the first, just maybe the first one in recent history.

My impression is they created the Xenomorphs as a biological weapon but lost control and were nearly wiped out by them.

Eventually, with no new hosts/prey, the Xenomorphs died out...and now through a series of unfortunate events, have been recreated.
 
I was thinking the Xenomorph got made by chance with Hollway passing it to Shaw who in turn got rid of it and it got the engineer.

Oh and is it safe to assume that the AvP has been ignorned because they used Bishop has the founder of Yutani corporation.
 
I don't think AvP was ever acknowledged as canon by the actual Alien series.

It's like bad fanfiction.
 
If the rumor that The Avenger's DC is going to be theatrical, and it turns out to be true and a success, Fox will probably consider slapping the DC for this in theaters.

If that is true I want at least 40 mins at LEAST added to it!
 
My interpretation of the opening scene was that from the Engineer drinking the black goo he created all intelligent life on earth. He basically started evolution, falling into the water is why the first creature were water based, before going on land, etc, etc.
But, as I said, why are we at the "end" (or "present") of the evolutionary tree identical with the Engineer at its "start"? If he kick-started all life, starting with single-cell organisms, then it seems absurdly contrived for millions of years of evolution to result in creatures who share identical DNA with the creator of their most distant amoeba-ancestors. It would also require Engineer civilisation to have been static for all of those millions of years, since they are much the same when Shaw and co find them as they were at "our" start. Also, what about the basic plant organism that already exist on Earth when the Engineer drinks the fluid? If they are there already, then he isn't starting "all" life, and you have to stick a pin somewhere random and arbitrary in the evolutionary thread work.

My interpretation of the cave paintings was that the Engineers have visited the planet since to see how their creations have been doing, maybe stirring them in the direction they want.
I think there are two factions (at least) of Engineers. I think the monastic types we see on a primordial Earth are cultists of some type, who have rituals surrounding suicide and creation. I think there is another group who are racial purists, and that the Engineer Shaw meets is one of these, which explains why he is instantly aggressive to her and her party, and why he and his colleagues have a mission to destroy us and presumably recolonize Earth.

I think the Cultist group might have revisited Earth once humans were fully fledged. But why did they leave a star map to biological weapons base? Who knows. Maybe it used to be their Cult center, but the Racist faction found out about it and turned it into something less friendly.

Well, essentially they did create them, the black goo got into Holloway, he mated with Shaw, she gave birth to the squid thing which impregnated the Jockey, from which the proto-xenomorph sprouted. Now how it got from that state to the Alien we know is a question for the sequel.
I am not satisfied about what the squid was, how the ooze works, or why the complex sexual transaction you describe results in a Xenomorph. This can't be the origin of the Xenomoph species if it only creates one, and then by chance, anyway.

From the cave etching and the 2,000-year-old dead Engineers with burst chests, the Xenomorphs clearly existed before. The one at the end is not the first, just maybe the first one in recent history.

My impression is they created the Xenomorphs as a biological weapon but lost control and were nearly wiped out by them.

Eventually, with no new hosts/prey, the Xenomorphs died out...and now through a series of unfortunate events, have been recreated.

I think those are all pretty compelling ideas. But they are slightly weakened by the fact that serpent/squid/proto-Xenomorph physiology and reproduction is so greatly at variance with that which the Xenomorphs exhibit in other "Alien" films.

Are the Xenomorphs the bioweapon, or is it the goo? If its the goo, then what is the independent origin of the Xenos?

I was thinking the Xenomorph got made by chance with Hollway passing it to Shaw who in turn got rid of it and it got the engineer.

It's clear enough that that is how that individual Proto-Xeno was created, but it is really unclear how or why, and it doesn't seem at all possible that that individual event could form the origin of the Xeno species.
 
I don't think the xenomorph in Prometheus is the first because of the mural. Before seeing the film I thought we might witness the origin, but to me the mural says otherwise.
 
Another good point. So, if the Xenos already exist, what the very f*** is the squid and why does it produce a pseudo-Xeno?
 
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232

Movies.com: You throw religion and spirituality into the equation for Prometheus, though, and it almost acts as a hand grenade. We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?
RS: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, “Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.


now it makes sense why Lindelof was hired. its my opinion that until the last month before filming they wanted to shoot this as a movie where Jesus was an alien that got crucified and this is the reason why the engineer's wanted to kill us. and thinking what is in the movie its clear to me.

-Elizabeth Shaw and her religion.Shaw's father talking about her mother and heaven
-Janek having a christmas tree. so its christmas time when they are on the planet. birth of Jesus Christ
-Elizabeth Shaw not able to have babies. and then she gets pregnant. here Lindelof was trying to have a virgin Mary(mother of Jesus) moment

i bet they had even more Jesus Christ moments where he was an alien. and then Scott realized that it was to much and they started rewritting the movie. they didnt have enough time so what we got was a story that is 100% vague about everything.
 
I don't recall any of the Apostles mentioning that Jesus was a 9' tall albino. Then again, I'm not a church going type, and will stand corrected.
 
I thought the squid was a proto-facehugger, considering it impregnated the Engineer with the Xeno.
 
Another good point. So, if the Xenos already exist, what the very f*** is the squid and why does it produce a pseudo-Xeno?
holly s... i forgot that there was an xenomorph on the wall. so of course the humans couldnt be the reason they were created.

this s... .got now even more complicated and makes even less sense.
 
I don't recall any of the Apostles mentioning that Jesus was a 9' tall albino. Then again, I'm not a church going type, and will stand corrected.

Well, to be fair, the Bible pretty much makes no mention of Jesus' physical appearance :cwink:
 
I thought the squid was a proto-facehugger, considering it impregnated the Engineer with the Xeno.
Yeah, but Eggy has pointed out that the Xenos are depicted in the (possibly ancient) friezes, so they already exist. I don't understand how essentially the same bipedal vertebrate with an exoskeleton can be produced by both (a) a chicken-sized, arachnid-like juvenile that hatches from eggs (Alien), and (b) a gigantic octopodidae with no exo or endoskeleton that seems to be produced from a primordial ooze (Prometheus).

It would be reasonably for both "juvenile" creatures to seed humans with very different "adolescent" chest bursters. But for both widely different creatures to produce effectively the same offspring is incredulous.
 
I don't recall any of the Apostles mentioning that Jesus was a 9' tall albino.

It's mentioned in the Director's Cut of the Bible. Still a lot of debate on whether that's "canon" or not though.
 
From the cave etching and the 2,000-year-old dead Engineers with burst chests, the Xenomorphs clearly existed before. The one at the end is not the first, just maybe the first one in recent history.

My impression is they created the Xenomorphs as a biological weapon but lost control and were nearly wiped out by them.

Eventually, with no new hosts/prey, the Xenomorphs died out...and now through a series of unfortunate events, have been recreated.

There wouldn't be an altar if they were their own little weapons that could get out of hand. There was also some goo or a rock at the base of the altar that Charlie looked at. It could be pure Xeno DNA...it was green. Idk if they created the Xenomorphs or just copied their DNA to make their own version to weaponize. It was clear that they worshipped or respected the power of the Xeno though.
 
I don't recall any of the Apostles mentioning that Jesus was a 9' tall albino. Then again, I'm not a church going type, and will stand corrected.

Jesus would have been half engineer and half human...he had a human mother. An engineer could have came down and impregnated Mary. The Bible says an Angel came down and made her pregnant and told her this was the son of God. It does fit into Christian mythology.
 
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