Prometheus - Part 8

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AVEITWITHJAMON said:
I thought, like all good sci-fi, it asked questions about our existence, who made us? If it was other beings who made them? Do we take creation too far ( which is also a question for the Engineers as they essentially are us in the movie)? Why are we as creatures never satisfied with our lot in life? Why do we always seek answers? Are there answers to seek?

It also begs the question that if there are higher beings out there, are we a dissapointment to them? Have we as humans fulfilled our purpose or are we a failed experiment?

Questions like this and more filled my head during and especially after the movie, its why I cant stop thinking about it.
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i am sad that they didnt explore the questions enough :csad:.

maybe if they would focus on just one question and then make the story about it it would have a stronge story. to bad for me :csad:
 
bullets said:
They may not have had time to map out the best escape route. I'm not entirely convinced running to side would of worked. If you look at the ship from afar it seems narrow but in proportion to the characters it may have been wide enough to crush them. I'll probably pay closer attention to that the next time I see this.
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I was thinking this too, but I noticed how on either sides of them, pieces of the surface were exploding at random and steaming and there was fire surrounding them. They didn't really have much of a choice in where they could run.
 
I don't really think the film had plot holes so much as plot tangents that went nowhere. There was just a lack of focus.

There's still a lot to like about the movie, but I don't love it. It very easily could have been better. The talent and the resources were there, but for me personally it just never really came together.
 
AVEITWITHJAMON said:
I thought, like all good sci-fi, it asked questions about our existence, who made us? If it was other beings who made them? Do we take creation too far ( which is also a question for the Engineers as they essentially are us in the movie)? Why are we as creatures never satisfied with our lot in life? Why do we always seek answers? Are there answers to seek?

It also begs the question that if there are higher beings out there, are we a dissapointment to them? Have we as humans fulfilled our purpose or are we a failed experiment?

Questions like this and more filled my head during and especially after the movie, its why I cant stop thinking about it.
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Except its nice when films have something to say rather than just asking the question. Asking the question is not dealing with the question.
 
redhawk23 said:
Except its nice when films have something to say rather than just asking the question. Asking the question is not dealing with the question.
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Exactly. I don't quite understand how people are finding this film to be "deep" on a thematic level when all it really does it ask questions. It doesn't really explore the questions it's asking, which cheapens the questions in general IMO.

Blade Runner actually explores what it means to be human. We get to see it and experience it through the eyes of not only Deckard but through all of the Replicants as well. That is what makes a film deep. Not Deckard saying verbatim: "What does it mean to be human?"

I'd say the deepest or most interesting/thought provoking scene in Prometheus would be the opening scene.
 
I know this gif has been posted several times but I must say watching at the same time as listening to the music from Brody Quest is a fantastic experience.

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Balthus Dire said:
Exactly. I don't quite understand how people are finding this film to be "deep" on a thematic level when all it really does it ask questions. It doesn't really explore the questions it's asking, which cheapens the questions in general IMO.

Blade Runner actually explores what it means to be human. We get to see it and experience it through the eyes of not only Deckard but through all of the Replicants as well. That is what makes a film deep. Not Deckard saying verbatim: "What does it mean to be human?"

I'd say the deepest or most interesting/thought provoking scene in Prometheus would be the opening scene.
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I don't understand either. I thought the movie was tremendously stupid and I can't get it out of my mind because I keep coming up with more things that I dislike. At first the movie was just a "shoulder shrugger" but now it's turned into a "What the **** were they thinking?"

And for the last time I wouldn't care if they answered the questions if they had actually explored them and didn't just hop from one thing to the other. The movie is just wildly unfocused.
 
chamber-music said:
Some people have said earlier about how the events in Prometheus don't tie up with Alien because of the space jockey ship they find in Alien.

Keep in mind there are alot of engineer ships on that planet. The prometheus crew come across just one.

If the planets are the same there is nothing to say the nostromo crew don't come across another one of the ships.
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Having seen Alien recently, I'm convinced it's the same moon. It has the same gassy planet over it. Weyland could have easily changed the name of the moon, perhaps because of governmental investigation when Prometheus never came home from that particular moon.

As for the same ship? Eh. I guess it's not. But if only the engineer after being impregnated crawled back to his ship to maybe send a message or something (a warning of his own?) and then the alien pops out of his stomach while he's at the cockpit. But I don't think it's supposed to be the same ship. Either that or it had two cockpits and the first is where the biological crisis 2,000 years began and hence why most of the engineers aboard are dead.

Just a thought.
 
Interesting quote from Scott about some of the religious aspects of the film and how they were more "on the nose" in earlier drafts.

Movies.com: You throw religion and spirituality into the equation for Prometheus, though, and it almost acts as a hand grenade. We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

RS: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, “Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.
 
DACrowe said:
Having seen Alien recently, I'm convinced it's the same moon. It has the same gassy planet over it. Weyland could have easily changed the name of the moon, perhaps because of governmental investigation when Prometheus never came home from that particular moon.

As for the same ship? Eh. I guess it's not. But if only the engineer after being impregnated crawled back to his ship to maybe send a message or something (a warning of his own?) and then the alien pops out of his stomach while he's at the cockpit. But I don't think it's supposed to be the same ship. Either that or it had two cockpits and the first is where the biological crisis 2,000 years began and hence why most of the engineers aboard are dead.

Just a thought.
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I don't think its the same planet.

Its not just the planet that has a different name the stars they orbit do as well.

LV-223 (Prometheus) orbits the star Gleise 86.
LV-426 (Alien/Aliens) orbits the star Zeta 2 Reticuli.

LV-223 the weather is gas, which causes the large silicia storm system across the moon's surface. The atmosphere is composed of 71% of nitrogen, 3% carbon dioxide and 23% oxygen. It also contains small amounts of argon, detected by the ship Prometheus.

LV-426 (Acheron) has a 1200 km diameter at its quadrant points QBR 157 052 and has a molten lava base. The atmosphere on Acheron is comprised of 10% Argon, 85% Nitrogen and 5% Neon and the planet maintains a gravitational field equivalent to 0.86 of that on Earth.

The distress call recieved by the Nostromo from unknown.

I think the Engineer ship found on LV-426 was one from the planet LV-223 that perhaps crashed on that planet sometime in the past.
 
Schlosser85 said:
Being a Christian and a scientist are not mutually exclusive.
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I don't think the writer ever said they were. There are many christian scientists (and traditional western science has many roots in Christian philosophy) However, even scientists who are Christians approach the world and the pursuit of knowledge with a different kind of discipline than is on display in this movie.


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I was directing that comment toward those who thought it needed explained why Shaw was a Christian AND a scientist.
 
The two moons are different but I think they both orbit the same gas giant. Presumably, an Engineer took off from LV 223, something went wrong, crash parked it on the nearby moon. Thousands of years ago...
 
redhawk23 said:
Except its nice when films have something to say rather than just asking the question. Asking the question is not dealing with the question.
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The way I see it...the first film should be about asking the question...the next film answering some of the questions...and asking some more questions and then finally the third film answers everything.
 
The real mystery of Prometheus is why are there no female Engineers?

why does such a technologically advanced race wear diapers?
 
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