The Dark Knight Rises Recast Joker or Resurrected Two-Face

[Two-Face]

He's good but not that good. Those Joker blog are great though.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Neither man can come back.

 

[tommytuck_78]

Yeah not good enough. I think that it shows that someone out there could pull it off.

 

[colonel sanders]

Yeah, not saying that they should cast him. But when I watch that guy I can still see the same Joker from the Dark Knight and its not just a flat out imitation. Somebody else with more talent can do the same.

 

[javphonic]

Johnny Depp for Joker... can he do an American Accent? hope so he'd be great...

usually don't like recasts, but with good make up, and the essence of the character kept, it could be nearly unnoticeable

 

[ALittlePush]

Johnny Depp for Joker... can he do an American Accent? hope so he'd be great...

usually don't like recasts, but with good make up, and the essence of the character kept, it could be nearly unnoticeable

Johnny Depp has a phobia of clowns. So I don't know whether he would feel comfortable dressing up as one. Saying that, I reckon he could be good if he does take on the role. He's already continued one of Ledger's roles in a film.

 

[MrQuinn]

nvm

 

[Dark Knight]

The Joker is too much of a badass NOT to show up in part 3. He was the architect of number 2 and as it was STATED VERY OBVIOUSLY. Joker and the Batman complete each other. Both are outcasts, both are psychotic (1 more than the other), and both fight for their ideals. I REALLY enjoyed that aspect of the movie, they need each other and the day they don't is the day they stop making batman.

The joker NEEDS to be recasted. The same as Heath? Of course not. Heath was a scary/nightmare/clown. His time in arkham could make him a more refined silly and equally intelligent clown that we all know and love. Batman grows up, he progresses his character so why shouldn't the Joker's character get a "new look?" It would differentiate both Jokers and allow yet another interpretation of him continue in the universe.

And by grown up I mean shorter, cleaner hair, and nicer suits.

I agree.....especially if they planned on using Joker in more of a Hannibal Lecter type of way for the 3rd film anyhow.

Might as well continue what they had planned.....it's not his role was going to be that huge in 3rd film anyway....according to heavy rumours and reports.

No disrespect to the greatness of Ledger, but the Joker character will always go on.

 

[Figs]

Johnny Depp for Joker... can he do an American Accent? hope so he'd be great...

usually don't like recasts, but with good make up, and the essence of the character kept, it could be nearly unnoticeable

Last time I checked he is American.

 

[Rodimus Primal]

What I'd like to see is the next set of villians to complete the Year 1 villans. Riddler, Catwoman, and Penguin. Not all in one movie of course, but at the end of the next movie we have whomever it is being brought it to Arkham and walked passed Falcone, Scarecrow, Joker and the last shot of the film would be Two-Face flipping his coin.

 

[MrQuinn]

Johnny Depp for Joker... can he do an American Accent? hope so he'd be great...

usually don't like recasts, but with good make up, and the essence of the character kept, it could be nearly unnoticeable

haha I thought this said "usually don't like racists"

I was like....what??

 

[Ring Deacon]

The Joker has to return. Just recast him with a quality actor that can capture the essence of the character and it will work out fine. Johnny Depp would be my first choice to replace Heath. And it wouldn't have to be a dead on copy of what Heath did in TDK either. Let's face it the Joker has never been a set in stone type of character he changes himself all the time, that is what makes him a great villian he has no motive for what he does, and no true set personality. Depp could just take him to the next level, and go into the true madness that is The Joker.

On the same note Two-Face should return too. His story is far from over, but more then likely Nolan will keep him dead. It wouldn't be hard to bring him back though. Just have it be that Gordon lied about him being dead, and Harvey is locked up in Arkham.

 

[Two-Face]

Johnny Depp for Joker... can he do an American Accent? hope so he'd be great...

usually don't like recasts, but with good make up, and the essence of the character kept, it could be nearly unnoticeable

He's American....

 

[tommytuck_78]

I think Depp would make a great joker. I don't think he would do the joker because it's already been done. He probably would rather take on the riddler so that he could put his own spin on that character.

 

[nobycane]

I do not post here very often.......but this thread seemed interesting enough to respond.

But I think that the Joker could be recasted to the point to play a vital part in part III, but not as a forefronted villain, but as a background character that assists in the overall arc of the storyline/plot.

We know from TDK that Joker was captured and being sent to Arkham...well, Gordon and BM would probably have to deal with another major threat to the Gotham.....thus a threat that has the mob and other intricate crime lords attempting to take back Gotham....since they suffered a major blow in TDK from Dent and Gotham PD. This could set up the introduction to Copperpot (sp?) (aka Penguin) since he is/was notorious as being an arms dealer.

Though, the Joker knows it and had actual set the wheels in motion back in TDK (where we do not see it) but could be explained in part III. The Joker would remain in Arkham for the duration of the film, but seen but not seen (being partially shadowed by the darkness of his cell), allowing respect for the character that Ledger made/developed previously - thus creating an even more creepy and sinister portrayal of the Joker.

The subplot in the movie is the Jokers attempt to continue to reek havoc upon Gotham - but is doing so from his cell in Arkham....this is where the Riddler or Edward Nigma could play a part is being a pawn between the Joker and The Penguin...but eventually being betrayed by both the Joker and Penguin - thus Edward Nigma seeks revenge on the Penguin and creating a Mexican standoff scenario between the Penguin and his newly organized mob, the Gotham PD and Batman......where Edward Nigma/Riddler is creating a scenario which he is playing all three against each other as a game of chess with his semantics and cryptic riddles....at the same time - the Joker is having his last laugh in Arkham where he originally attempted to warn Batman and Gotham PD about what was to come - but was never trusted in the first place.

Of course, this is just a subtle idea and plot points and story lines would have to be ironed out......but I think it could work.

 

[Marx]

I would prefer a Joker recast before a resurrection of Two-Face.

Nolan has said numerous times that TDK was really the story of Harvey Dent. (That the Joker was just a force tearing through the movie, but it was Harvey's arc.) That arc ended with Harvey's death. I think it's also pretty obvious that Nolan had intended for the Joker story to go on...

That being said...I'd like to see new villains in a third Batman movie with Joker having a small 'non-verbal' cameo. (Whether it is a GCN montage of Joker in court and being escorted out after a conviction back to Arkham, or a scene showing him in Arkham.)

 

[Fresh Prince]

Well since TDK was Harvey's story then that means Joker had not had his arc or story told yet....So if they make a Batman 4 he should have his story told their then...Recast and have Johnny Deep play Joker....Joker is morethen a one-dimensional character so he changes all the time.....Joker can make a cameo appearance in B3 like have him be shown in court without make up and be taking to Arkyum Asylum....Also they can have oneof the doctors their talk to him in an interview.

 

[Marx]

Well since TDK was Harvey's story then that means Joker had not had his arc or story told yet....So if they make a Batman 4 he should have his story told their then...Recast and have Johnny Deep play Joker....Joker is morethen a one-dimensional character so he changes all the time.....Joker can make a cameo appearance in B3 like have him be shown in court without make up and be taking to Arkyum Asylum....Also they can have oneof the doctors their talk to him in an interview.

I really think the Harvey story is done...at least, I hope it is. Had Harvey not ended up the way he did at the end of TDK, I would say bring him on. But the way the story was told, I think it should be left there.

As for Joker, I would loved to have seen him in court arguing back with a new DA in Batman 3. I would loved to have POSSIBLY seen Harleen Quinzel and Joker FINALLY appear together on screen...but I doubt that is going to happen.

Who knows, it could still happen but I think we'll probably see new villains with a small Joker cameo. The story of TDK leaves alot of potential in a follow up.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I rather Joker be alone again if he comes back....But yeah in B3 he can argue at the courthouse and taken to Arkyum then have him talk to a doctor their who is interviewing him...Then in B4 if they make one he escape from Arkyum and his story gets told in B4....Also if the Super Max film gets made they said he will make a cameo appearance their in the prison Green Arrow is in and that can take place before B4 if like I said they make a Batman 4....Anyways yeah Johnny Depp has to be casted as Joker.

 

[Marx]

Appearance-wise, Joseph Gordon-Levitt would nail the look of Heath's Joker.

(But that's a whole other thread discussion entirely. )

 

[Rincewind]

To me, the answer is neither. I would much rather have new villains.

The Joker did what was he supposed to do in TDK. He accomplished his goals and was apprehended. What more could you do with him? He would escape from capture (did it already), he will start causing mayhem (did it already), he may kill people that are close to Batman (did it already), he may force Batman to question his purpose and code (did it already) or he may corrupt someone (guess what - did it already).
People say all the time that the actor is not bigger than the character, when it comes down to the Nolanverse Joker. I agree. But the character is not bigger than the story. I don't want to wait till 2011 or 2012 just to see TDK 0.2. I want a new Batman movie. I want the next movie of the series to be as different from TDK as TDK was from BB.
Besides, best case scenatrio we will get another awesome Joker who will again steal the spotlight from other characters (and no, that's not good). Worst case scenario, we will get a s*itty imitation of Ledger's Joker and we're all pissed off.
By any means, after the Nolan series are done and the franchise is rebooted once more with a new continuity, I would welcome a new Joker. But in the Nolanverse continuity (which probably will last for just one last movie, IMO) I'd like to see other villains before the end.

As for Two-Face, he's just dead. The movie basically screams this into your face. I see no logical reason to twist reality and bring him back. Just like the Joker, he was awesome, but he's dead. It was a shame that we saw so little of him, but that's the lesser evil. It would be worse if he was resurrected out of the blue.

 

[Ring Deacon]

I wouldn't say the Joker accomplished all of his goals. The Joker's goals are ever changing depending on his mood. He will never be done trying to bring chaos to the world. Besides he said himself to Batman that they are doomed to meet again and again.

As for Two Face, I have said this again and again in other treads like this one, Two Face is alive. Yes we were told Harvey Dent is dead and that would be true. The good man that was Harvey Dent was killed when he was set on fire, and the Joker pushed him the rest of the way over the edge into madness. I still say Two Face is alive and well and is in Arkham. I see Nolan going with a story based some-what on Dark Victory next, in which a killer comes to Gotham City that everyone starts thinking is Two Face and he will have to come out of hiding to prove it wasn't him. Maybe do it Hannibal Lector style and have Batman talking to him in Arkham.

 

[Rincewind]

I wouldn't say the Joker accomplished all of his goals. The Joker's goals are ever changing depending on his mood. He will never be done trying to bring chaos to the world. Besides he said himself to Batman that they are doomed to meet again and again.

They are doomed to meet again, but not neccessarily in the next movie What he said to Batman, I took it to mean that one day, the Joker might escape and he will clash with Batman again, but that doesn't mean that it will happen the next day after the events in TDK.

As for Two Face, I have said this again and again in other treads like this one, Two Face is alive. Yes we were told Harvey Dent is dead and that would be true. The good man that was Harvey Dent was killed when he was set on fire, and the Joker pushed him the rest of the way over the edge into madness. I still say Two Face is alive and well and is in Arkham. I see Nolan going with a story based some-what on Dark Victory next, in which a killer comes to Gotham City that everyone starts thinking is Two Face and he will have to come out of hiding to prove it wasn't him. Maybe do it Hannibal Lector style and have Batman talking to him in Arkham.

Okay, Im not trying to pick a fight, but explain to me, how can Two-Face be in Arkham? How does that works out? Batman took the blame for Two-Face's murders in order to preserve the false image of the good and heroic Harvey Dent. How could that work if that same guy has become a murderous and bloodthirsty vigilante that is apprehended in a public institution like Arkham Asylum? The only way that the plan of Batman and Gordon could work is if Two-Face is dead. Two-Face who is alive pretty much makes useless the whole idea of Batman taking the blame for his crimes.

 

[Laderlappen]

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheJokerBlogs

I came across this on youtube. I thought the guy playing the joker did a good job and I think it shows that the joker could be recast.

You boviously cant see the difference between great imitation and great acting.

 

[Fresh Prince]

So if Joker did return in Nolanverse what could his goals be then?...Maybe he may want to become king of the criminal underworld.