Rockstar Red Dead Redemption

[Broseph44]

I'm so ready for a sequel for this on next gen. Hell I'd even love a remaster of the first game for ps4. I'd love it. Including Undead Nightmare.

 

[cherokeesam]

I think it would be cool if they started the game in the Civil War, and then do most of the story after a time skip, kind of like GTA V.

So, jump from the 1860's to the 1870's, or 1880's.

I'm also hoping for multiple protagonists a la GTA V.

Not that I want this to turn into Red Dead GTA V, but that game did have some good ideas, which could be put to good use here.

I've always been in favor of a Red Dead prequel that would be set in the early days of Dutch's outlaw gang, and would allow you to play multiple roles, incl. John, Dutch, Bill, and Abigail.

 

[Benstamania]

I didn't care for the multiple character thing in GTA.. More so since there's always one character I absolutely hate and never care about playing..

I'd like the game to be set during the civil war.. At least part of it. They can show "what war does to a man..." But if there's one complaint I would have about RDR (which this isn't a really a complaint..) is that I'd actually give the player choice. You can be good or you can be bad. I didn't get some achievements for RDR because I couldn't see John doing the bad things.. His story was redemption so tying someone up and letting them on the tracks just didn't make any sense to me.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I didn't care for the multiple character thing in GTA.. More so since there's always one character I absolutely hate and never care about playing..

I'd like the game to be set during the civil war.. At least part of it. They can show "what war does to a man..." But if there's one complaint I would have about RDR (which this isn't a really a complaint..) is that I'd actually give the player choice. You can be good or you can be bad. I didn't get some achievements for RDR because I couldn't see John doing the bad things.. His story was redemption so tying someone up and letting them on the tracks just didn't make any sense to me.

I wasn't thrilled with how it was implemented, but it had a lot of potential.

Imagine for example, if you had two or three protagonists from very different backgrounds, maybe in conflict. You could have an outlaw, a Native American, a bandit, a cavalry officer, a marshall... or a Union and a Confederate soldier. Basically, you name it.

The problem with GTA V was that the characters essentially all went through more or less the same story, making the whole mechanic rather pointless.

 

[Mister J]

Red Dead Rebellion and its centered around the Civil War.

I was thinking about something like this when I dropped 'Red Dead Revolution' (...before I got the giggles and started masterminding the epic that would be Red Dead Red Wagon). I later thought that they'd probably just keep a Western them to it, but I'd be geeked if they went that way.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Starting a game in a major Civil War battle would be pretty badass.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Starting a game in a major Civil War battle would be pretty badass.

I don't know how the weapons system would work though? Most of the rifles used during that war were muzzle loaded 1 shot rifles. For what's basically a 3rd person shooter type of game it would a big step-back from RDR and its mix of 19th and early 20th century weapons.

 

[Thundercrack85]

True, but you did have some repeating rifles. Not to mention revolvers. Honestly wasn't much of an issue with Call of Juarez. Granted, that was a FPS, but they kept it interesting.

I guess it's unlikely they would try to incorporate swordplay. Kind of wish they would though.

 

[James]

Maybe open the game as the battle is winding down, all the ammo's spent and it's down to bayonets and swords. I'm a fan of the time jump idea.

I also love GTA V's character switching system and hope (expect) to see it in all of Rockstar's future open world games. Using this in the Wild West could give us some great variations on different characters to play as.

 

[Brother Jack]

It would have to take place before Redemption, repeating weapons or not. RDR took place right at the end of the western era and is partly about the passing away of it; to set the next one afterward wouldn't make it a classic western.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Crazy thought, but how about giving us more of a villain to play as?

I got kind of tired of Joh, who for an ex-bandit, came off more like a mild mannered... Dudley Do Right.

 

[Nathan]

After all the GTA thugs, it was a nice change of pace. If the next game gives us a villain, I might actually lose interest. I think John was one of the reasons I like Red Dead Redemption as much as I did. Or let us choose how to play.

 

[Havok83]

I don't know how the weapons system would work though? Most of the rifles used during that war were muzzle loaded 1 shot rifles. For what's basically a 3rd person shooter type of game it would a big step-back from RDR and its mix of 19th and early 20th century weapons.

Its a Rockstar game and one more towards the satirical GTA model than a realistic Max Payne. It doesnt need to be historically accurate. I think people will accept them taking liberties with weapons

Starting a game in a major Civil War battle would be pretty badass.

Id actually prefer they not handle a real world historical event. Seems too AC to me

 

[cherokeesam]

Its a Rockstar game and one more towards the satirical GTA model than a realistic Max Payne. It doesnt need to be historically accurate. I think people will accept them taking liberties with weapons



Id actually prefer they not handle a real world historical event. Seems too AC to me

Strongly doubt players would accept "taking liberties" by making anachronistic guns in the black-powder era US Civil War. Especially considering that Civil War fans are notorious sticklers for historical accuracy.

The Civil War just isn't conducive to first-person gaming, at all. It's about massed armies facing each other across a battlefield and shredding each other with volleys of musketry and cannon. In other words: the Civil War is best left to the RTS crowds.

 

[Havok83]

Strongly doubt players would accept "taking liberties" by making anachronistic guns in the black-powder era US Civil War. Especially considering that Civil War fans are notorious sticklers for historical accuracy.

The Civil War just isn't conducive to first-person gaming, at all. It's about massed armies facing each other across a battlefield and shredding each other with volleys of musketry and cannon. In other words: the Civil War is best left to the RTS crowds.

Again, this is a Rockstar game, not some AC type thats striving for realism. CW fanatics dont like it? Who cares. Rockstar has never rarely cared what others thought when it came to their content. They will do as they want and people will eat it up. Having the guns be off by a couple of decades isnt a big deal. Its not like people are suggesting rocket launchers and plasma guns

Theres no need to have this game based around a historical event like the CW anyway. The backdrop for the time period is enough. They can be vague enough without directly referencing and incorporating the CW into the plot.

 

[Benstamania]

I don't know how the weapons system would work though? Most of the rifles used during that war were muzzle loaded 1 shot rifles. For what's basically a 3rd person shooter type of game it would a big step-back from RDR and its mix of 19th and early 20th century weapons.

You could bean office with a pistol maybe?

 

[Benstamania]

Crazy thought, but how about giving us more of a villain to play as?

I got kind of tired of Joh, who for an ex-bandit, came off more like a mild mannered... Dudley Do Right.

If not a villain, like I said i wouldn't mind being able to choose how the guy turns out... Keep him on the straight and narrow, make him a bad guy or have him walk a gray line,

Cullen Bohannon from Hell on Wheels comes to mind.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I'd like to see more overall mission variety. For a game with such an engrossing story line so many of the missions were just ride your horse to point X, shoot-out the guys you're supposed to kill, head back.

With GTA V they varied that trope by having the characters do a lot of other stuff besides those kind of misisons and they should incorporate that to a RD game.

 

[socool]

I'd like to see more overall mission variety. For a game with such an engrossing story line so many of the missions were just ride your horse to point X, shoot-out the guys you're supposed to kill, head back.

Up until GTAV, the GTA games were pretty much the same with "riding your horse" being "driving a stolen car". And even then GTAV is still very much so the same. It's just sorta Rockstar's thing. It just so happens that they're really freakin' good at it so i don't mind. But yeah, I agree, I hope there is a little more variety. I also hope they add even more random events so that travel doesn't get dull. RDR did a pretty good job of making the traveling time between towns entertaining but there were plenty of times where I was practically drooling on my way to the next mission.

 

[Benstamania]

I didn't mind riding horses though.. They were dang amazing looking. Those horse physics has yet to be topped/

 

[Broseph44]

Yeah I had no problem with riding around, you're right the horse physics were great. After seeing what gta 5 was able to do on ps3. And what it will be able to do now on ps4 I'm very excited for red dead on next gen. Hell like I said even if they never made a sequel or prequel whatever, they could just remaster red dead for next gen and I'd be in heaven.

 

[hafizbat]

I don't post in this thread much much I just want to say....Red Dead Redemption is one of the finest games I have ever experienced. It's been several years, and I still feel hit by that ending.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Strongly doubt players would accept "taking liberties" by making anachronistic guns in the black-powder era US Civil War. Especially considering that Civil War fans are notorious sticklers for historical accuracy.

The Civil War just isn't conducive to first-person gaming, at all. It's about massed armies facing each other across a battlefield and shredding each other with volleys of musketry and cannon. In other words: the Civil War is best left to the RTS crowds.

I don't follow. What's wrong with repeating rifles, and revolvers?

Also, have you played Call of Juarez?

Not exactly in the list of top ten greatest FPS, but a solid FPS nonetheless, set during the Civil War (well, the first couple of hours anyway).

 

[cherokeesam]

I don't follow. What's wrong with repeating rifles, and revolvers?

Also, have you played Call of Juarez?

Not exactly in the list of top ten greatest FPS, but a solid FPS nonetheless, set during the Civil War (well, the first couple of hours anyway).

No, I never played any of the Juarez games, but what I've read of the plot synopsis of all those games is that they're post-CW. "Bound in Blood" begins late in the War, yes, but the majority of the story happens in 1866 and after. Which is pretty much where the vast majority of Westerns are set.

The Civil War featured a lot of the gun tech that is more commonly associated with the Old West --- repeating rifles, revolvers, center fire and rimfire cartridges, Gatling guns --- but none of that was widely used until after the War. For the most part, the Civil War was fought with technology that hadn't advanced much past the American Revolution: i.e., muzzle-loader musket rifles and cannons.

I've got nothing against the Civil War, and am an avid historian of the era myself, and belong to several heritage and re-enactment groups. But the CW was really only a prelude to the Wild West, not a defining issue of it. If an RDR prequel (cuz let's face it: post 1912, there's really no room left to do a sequel that's truly a Western) chooses to use the CW as a setting, all well and good; I just think they'd be better served and far more likely to set it in the 1870s and/or 1880s.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, to each his own I guess.

I think it would be an interesting backdrop, certainly for a prologue at least.

I don't want a RDR prequel. Just a new Red Dead game.