Rockstar Red Dead Redemption

[Thundercrack85]

Honestly, I was rather underwhelmed by Redemption's story. The pacing was just bad, the characters were fairly forgettable, with a handful of exceptions (Ross, Dickens, and Dutch), and the plot just sort of... stumbled along.

I loved the setting, and the atmosphere, but I hope they get some better story writers.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Mexico was way too long and that kickass third area in the mountains was too short (and geographically too tiny)

Less desert and more mountains/prairie in the next one please

 

[Thundercrack85]

I appreciated the length value wise, but a tighter, shorter story wouldn't hurt.

I am usually in the minority with my opinion though. I thought GTA V had a dreadful story (when it remembered it had one). The ending was particularly anticlimactic.

I will say that Red Dead for me really picked up when Ross reentered the picture, because the story got much more focused. Although I appreciated the first half of the game, the final third was by far the best.

If the entire game was paced like that, I would be very happy,

 

[Benstamania]

I never got the hate for the kid.. We didn't even do anything as him other than kill Ross. I'm betting if he was older and more flushed out people wouldn't mind him as much.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I think it was more so you couldn't free roam as John anymore once you completed the story.

Yeah you could technically open another save from before you completed the story but most people in GTA type games like to be able to free roam as the main character post the story line missions.

The way they ended the story was sort of more suited to a more linear type of game than an open world.

 

[BrollySupersj]

I'm betting the next one will be further in history than back track.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Be kind of hard if they want to keep the Western theme though. Redemption's main theme was the final days of the Old West.

 

[Benstamania]

They have to back track.

 

[cherokeesam]

Honestly, I was rather underwhelmed by Redemption's story. The pacing was just bad, the characters were fairly forgettable, with a handful of exceptions (Ross, Dickens, and Dutch), and the plot just sort of... stumbled along.

I loved the setting, and the atmosphere, but I hope they get some better story writers.

....wait, what....?

I am usually in the minority with my opinion though. I thought GTA V had a dreadful story (when it remembered it had one). The ending was particularly anticlimactic.

....wait, what?!?!?


Rockstar's got the best game writers around, bar none. Both RDR and GTAV had the most layered, fascinating, and coolest characters in just about any movie or book or game I've ever seen, and that included the cameos and bit parts. And the stories were the most immersive and adventurous and goddamn *fun* experiences I've ever had outside of real life.

 

[Naked Shia]

I loved the story. It was really engaging, and the pacing was just perfect in that regard. It made the last part really moving.

I liked Jack. Of course he doesn't have John's presence. He didn't live as many things as him. So it does make sense.

 

[Bobber]

Rockstar's got the best game writers around, bar none. Both RDR and GTAV had the most layered, fascinating, and coolest characters in just about any movie or book or game I've ever seen, and that included the cameos and bit parts.

*cough*Naughty Dog*cough*

 

[cherokeesam]

*cough*Naughty Dog*cough*

(As an Xbox gamer, I plead ignorance.) But Naughty Dog is Sony-exclusive, while R* is cross-platform. That automatically makes R* better.

 

[Thundercrack85]

....wait, what....?



....wait, what?!?!?


Rockstar's got the best game writers around, bar none. Both RDR and GTAV had the most layered, fascinating, and coolest characters in just about any movie or book or game I've ever seen, and that included the cameos and bit parts. And the stories were the most immersive and adventurous and goddamn *fun* experiences I've ever had outside of real life.

I don't know what to tell you.

I thought GTA V had pretty weak villains, and a really underwhelming / unsatisfactory ending / final mission. But GTA is usually hit and miss with me plot wise. Vice City I enjoyed (can't go wrong with borrowing from Scarface), San Andreas was terrible, GTA IV was decent.

It's a shame because otherwise V was a great game.

 

[James]

I really enjoyed the final mission, but I can totally appreciate people not loving the story overall (I enjoyed it). The biggest letdown for me though, was Franklin. He had some interesting stuff going on in the beginning, but that got all but forgotten pretty darn fast and then he turned into one of the dullest characters I've ever seen in a video game. And that's not even counting the character switching, go to Michael or Trevor and they're usually doing something at least halfway entertaining, switch to Franklin and he's... eating chips. Or doing laundry. It'd be funny if it wasn't true.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I felt that the entire multiple protagonist mechanic was very poorly incorporated.

It wasn't even that the characters were bad per se, though Franklin certainly was dull. The issue was that they were all on the same side, and often their missions overlapped.

The great thing about multiple protagonists is that you can see very different perspectives. Having all the characters more or less share the same perspective makes that mechanic rather pointless, story wise.

And since the game has no co-op, also rather pointless gameplay wise as well.

 

[cherokeesam]

I really enjoyed the final mission, but I can totally appreciate people not loving the story overall (I enjoyed it). The biggest letdown for me though, was Franklin. He had some interesting stuff going on in the beginning, but that got all but forgotten pretty darn fast and then he turned into one of the dullest characters I've ever seen in a video game. And that's not even counting the character switching, go to Michael or Trevor and they're usually doing something at least halfway entertaining, switch to Franklin and he's... eating chips. Or doing laundry. It'd be funny if it wasn't true.

I think Franklin turning out to be "dull" was intentional irony on the writers' part. Seems a lot of people (myself included) wanted him to be another CJ and a badass street thug; but all Franklin ever wanted was a quiet place in the Hills to chill by himself. He's the most introverted of the three, by far.

 

[Naked Shia]

I liked Franklin. The dude was totally cool, but noone would let him alone, it was funny. I liked how "normal" he was compared to Michael and Trevor.

 

[James]

I think Franklin turning out to be "dull" was intentional irony on the writers' part. Seems a lot of people (myself included) wanted him to be another CJ and a badass street thug; but all Franklin ever wanted was a quiet place in the Hills to chill by himself. He's the most introverted of the three, by far.

That would be all well in fine in a non-interactive story, I think. Franklin's tale ends with him relaxing in his giant house, happy to be left alone. But for an open world video game, no sirree. After a short time, I lost any interest in ever switching back to Franklin.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I've heard of Space Western, but never Urban Western.

No Country For Old Men, Dirty Harry,Death Wish and I'd even call the 2004 Punisher film an Urban Western.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I suppose. But, I think the game loses something by leaving the Old West.

I guess I could see something set in like the 1930's, with the Dust Bowl, the Great Depression, and the Public Enemies era. A lot of the West was still quite wild.

 

[BrollySupersj]

Be kind of hard if they want to keep the Western theme though. Redemption's main theme was the final days of the Old West.

They have to back track.

Red Dead Redemption is set just about 30 years after Revolver. Just saying is all. I'm not going to be too surprised if we get s game in the 20s or something.

 

[Thundercrack85]

But they are unrelated. The only thing they have in common is being Westerns.

I guess we'll find out.

 

[Marvolo]

The only part of Redemption I truly hated were the BS chore missions when Marston is back home with his family. I know the developers wanted to give us a taste of his family life or something, but I don't play games to herd cattle and other tedious ****. I was happy he was with his family just by seeing him reunited with them. I didn't need to do his chores too.

 

[Naked Shia]

I think these missions, as tedious as they could be, were important for the pacing. They made the ending even more tragic, something some cutscenes couldn't have done.

 

[Galactus123]

The only part of Redemption I truly hated were the BS chore missions when Marston is back home with his family. I know the developers wanted to give us a taste of his family life or something, but I don't play games to herd cattle and other tedious ****. I was happy he was with his family just by seeing him reunited with them. I didn't need to do his chores too.

That was my favorite part of the game.