RoboCop Reboot - Part 6

[hippie_hunter]

I feel sorry for some of y'all in here hoping for a sequel. We won't be getting one anytime soon. Sony/MGM will try to pimp something else out first.

I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with a sequel. The box office numbers really aren't that disappointing for Sony/MGM, the film is doing rather well overseas and domestically it kept getting bumps as the weekend progressed (which isn't usual box office behavior). It's still expected to make $200 million when all is said and done. The LEGO Movie has become an unexpected smash hit, giving the film unexpected competition. Plus the bad weather on the East Coast hurt the film a bit as well. I think they're going to wait and see how the film performs next week before making a judgment to go forward or not.

 

[Dyson]

You have a link, because what you just said really reinforces the opinion I have on this movie in that the cast and crew wanted to make a really good movie that was gritty but the studio just kept shutting them down.

This is why it wouldn't shock me if Jose Padilha didn't want to direct a sequel but merely stayed on as a co-producer role instead.

Can you imagine the type of RoboCop film we would have gotten if Padilha had complete control over it....

 

[Warhammer]

I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with a sequel. The box office numbers really aren't that disappointing for Sony/MGM, the film is doing rather well overseas and domestically it kept getting bumps as the weekend progressed (which isn't usual box office behavior). It's still expected to make $200 million when all is said and done. The LEGO Movie has become an unexpected smash hit, giving the film unexpected competition. Plus the bad weather on the East Coast hurt the film a bit as well. I think they're going to wait and see how the film performs next week before making a judgment to go forward or not.

We shall see.

Vallon was a much bigger villain in the leaked first draft. In the orginal draft, Vallon and his thugs knock Murphy out cold and then blow away pieces of his body with guns. There was also a cool scene where Vallon boards a public bus, shoots the driver and takes it hostage to lore RoboCop into a fight. I think if they had made Vallon a bit of a bigger baddie, it would have worked greatly to the film's credit. That said, if we get a sequel, I hope we get a Clarence Boddicker type villain, and a film that is a little harder hitting. If shows like Hannibal, CSI and The Walking Dead can get away with the gore and violence that is shown, surely we can get a bit of a much violent sequel to a very good first film.

That'd be neat. As long as OCP doesn't get introduced and bankroll the villain yet again, I'll be satisfied.

 

[Dyson]

That'd be neat. As long as OCP doesn't get introduced and bankroll the villain yet again, I'll be satisfied.

POSSIBLE SPOILER...


At the end of the film, OCP is mentioned by Pat Novak as the sister company of OmniCorp. OCP has control over the RoboCop program, but I agree that it would be better if OCP didn't pay a villain to get Robo in a possible sequel.

 

[Warhammer]

Oh f***, I forgot that they were introduced at the end. I'm sick and tired of OCP.

 

[chintai80]

they can always bring back the kanemitsu corporation...with their ninja androids.

i think where the movie leaves off with ocp running things can go into interesting territory.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Vallon was a much bigger villain in the leaked first draft. In the orginal draft, Vallon and his thugs knock Murphy out cold and then blow away pieces of his body with guns. There was also a cool scene where Vallon boards a public bus, shoots the driver and takes it hostage to lore RoboCop into a fight. I think if they had made Vallon a bit of a bigger baddie, it would have worked greatly to the film's credit. That said, if we get a sequel, I hope we get a Clarence Boddicker type villain, and a film that is a little harder hitting. If shows like Hannibal, CSI and The Walking Dead can get away with the gore and violence that is shown, surely we can get a bit of a much violent sequel to a very good first film.

Definitely wish those Vallon parts were kept in, the 1st part could have been toned down to fit with the rating, the 2nd would have been a really strong scene in setting Vallon up as a threat. Dont know why they made him like he was in the movie instead of this.

 

[TheBeastWithin]

I just really didn't like the chestplate area of the armor they went with. I just looked... odd to me. the rest of it was okay though.

I love both suits in the movie but yes the chestplate on the black suit was the only thing I wasn't a huge fan of. I didn't like the huge gaps between the pecs and ribs and the fact that it was so flat it looked almost concave. If only it came out more to give the implied muscular look the original had a bit too much of. I'm sure if a sequel were to happen they'd tweak the suit or give him armor upgrades.

I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with a sequel. The box office numbers really aren't that disappointing for Sony/MGM, the film is doing rather well overseas and domestically it kept getting bumps as the weekend progressed (which isn't usual box office behavior). It's still expected to make $200 million when all is said and done. The LEGO Movie has become an unexpected smash hit, giving the film unexpected competition. Plus the bad weather on the East Coast hurt the film a bit as well. I think they're going to wait and see how the film performs next week before making a judgment to go forward or not.

I'm not holding my breath but yes it will possibly more telling to see how it fares the second weekend. The storm, The Lego movie, Kevin Hart/Vday flick on Vday weekend, Bad RT score, huge skepticism/animosity going in. Maybe all things considered it could've been much worse.

 

[Shikamaru]

Well, I finally saw the film last night. Overall, I liked it.

It's not really a Robocop film. It has almost nothing in common with the original Robocop. Different themes, different ideas, different characterizations, different story (kinda), the way Robocop works altogether is very different, etc. It's kinda like the Karate Kid remake. It seems like they came up with an original story, realized it had a lot in common with Robocop, and feared it would be criticized for that so they just turned it into a remake instead. Or they just did it to drawn in more viewers (by using the Robocop name).

Regardless, I think it was pretty good overall. There are a lot of ideas and performances I liked. Nowhere near as great as the original, but good on its own.

Also, I didn't really care for Robocop himself. He has a lot more screen time as Alex Murphy than Peter Weller's version, but he is nowhere as likable or sympathetic. Gary Oldman's character was more sympathetic than him and I agree with all the reviewers who said he should have been the main character. Robocop himself just feels like a tool/character the writers used to get the film's themes and ideas across. Which goes back to what I said about this not really being a Robocop film.

 

[Binker]

I haven't seen the move yet, and there is a reason: while I was interested in it, it has wane down since. Basically, it feels like an unexecuted chore, and if it feels like that, then maybe I'm not interested nor should I push myself to see it. Perhaps it is a "wait for the DVD/Blu ray" kind of movie.

I have made a deal with myself, by the way, which doubles as a last straw: if I don't see this tonight, or Friday night, then I won't be seeing it at all. I'll forget about it, even remove it from my films of 2014 list. That's that.

 

[chintai80]

i heard that kinnaman is signed on for a couple more robocop movies. but that doesn't guarantee anything.

i hope we get at least one more sequel, the ending leaves it open for one.
This is a pretty good article on where they can go from here:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Love-RoboCop-Please-Give-Us-Sequel-41716.html

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

If I could get anything movie wise right now it would be a sequel to this, simply because the possibilities are so vast this could really make a great new franchise, and while I love Marvel films I'm somewhat bored of the same characters over and over I really like a variety.

 

[Slushy]

So I finally had the unfortunate displeasure of watching RoboFlop.

What I liked:

Spoiler

- The opening scene with the ED-209 was cool. I like how they were being violent by having Muslim extremists blowing themselves up and that dumb kid getting shot up without upsetting the MPAA too much.

- Re-using the RoboCop theme. Unfortunately, that's the only connection between the two films.

- Gary Oldman's performance as Dr. Norton. His scenes were the most engaging out of the entire movie. He did a job well done as a scientist.

- The dance scene with Alex and his wife with Frank Sinatra's "Fly Me To The Moon" playing in the background. He was remembering happier times and it was a tearjerker to watch.

- When RoboCop wears the first visor for the first time in the silver suit, it was glorious!

- Seeing him run and hearing the sound effects of his movements.

- In a throwback to Part 2, RoboCop gets dissected and you get to see his lungs. Its disgustingly cool.

- His scanning technology was fantastic.

- I didn't mind the RoboBike, but I prefer him driving a car.

- When he busted the drug lab with precision accuracy

- Alex's wife trying to reach out to him. I thought that was a great dynamic.

- The police chief being in on it in this one. That was a great twist!

- He goes back to silver at the end.

What I didn't like:

Spoiler

- Didn't care for Samuel Jackson in this. He was playing himself again.

- I liked Michael Keaton, but his character wasn't evil enough. Although it was funny to see Bruce Wayne making shady deals. X D

- The Lewis character having a sex change just because.

- I didn't mind the re-telling of his origin with the car explosion, but he should've been inside when it happened so his wounds would've been more believable!

- Alex knowing who he was right away. It was a very disappointing creative decision made and took a lot of fun out of the movie for me. He should've suffered the seizure before he had the operation so he would actually be acting like RoboCop for at least almost an hour. When he remembers the assassination attempt by going to his house that way, it would've had the emotional punch.

- No altered voice? I just...I just don't understand...

- The exposed hand. I understand the reasoning behind it, but it was an eyesore and the distraction (because it looks out of place) was taking me out of the movie as evidenced by the scene where he's trying to run away from Onmicorp's lab.

- The black scheme. Its an annoying cliche to use the absence of color to make fictional characters look cool and in this case, it was unnecessary.

- No gun twirl. That singular action is what defined Alex Murphy and not having it is probably the stupidest mistake made in this remake.

- They showed his face too much and its contradicts his performance as RoboCop.

- He doesn't fight enough crime.

- He doesn't throw anybody threw glass!

- The city of Detroit is practically ignored.

- There's no commercials like in the original!

- Characters not close to Alex Murphy using his name. He's freaking ROBOCOP!

- Antoine Vallon is no Clarence Boddicker and RoboCop kills him in anti-climatic fashion.

- There's no data needle or any kind of connecting device. RoboCop just uploads information on any monitor by looking at them, LOL.

- When he gets shut down by OmniCorp, he collapses to the ground. If anything, he should shut off with arms and heads down while still standing. You know...like a robot?

- RoboCop takes down not one, but TWO Ed-209s with ease!

- ED-209's voice sucks and doesn't even say "You have 30 seconds to comply."

- He shoots and kills The Not So Old Man in again anti-climatic fashion.

If you've never seen the original RoboCop, it was a decent movie. If you have and wanted to support the remake, you can't help, but feel disappointed thanks to all the bogus calls made to the story. There's a chunk of good stuff, but unfortunately, the cons outweigh the pros.

The movie felt rushed, took itself way seriously (I don't recall a single comedy bit.), and deviated way too much from the original film as well as the title character to alienate would be supporters. Its just too much Murphy and not enough RoboCop. God damn, what a fu**ing letdown!


I do want a sequel as there is a lot of potential as well as re-using Kane.

Spoiler

Alter his voice, cover up his fu**ing hand, and keep his God damn visor on at all times!

Some of the studio executives can seriously fu** off though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with a sequel. The box office numbers really aren't that disappointing for Sony/MGM, the film is doing rather well overseas and domestically it kept getting bumps as the weekend progressed (which isn't usual box office behavior). It's still expected to make $200 million when all is said and done. The LEGO Movie has become an unexpected smash hit, giving the film unexpected competition. Plus the bad weather on the East Coast hurt the film a bit as well. I think they're going to wait and see how the film performs next week before making a judgment to go forward or not.

The Lego Movie being such a big success was not unexpected at all. It has been the talk for months now. Where did you get the idea it was?

 

[chintai80]

yea everyone loves legos. it's guaranteed money maker.

 

[The Guard]

I'm not understanding the "It's not Robocop" crowd.

How is it not Robocop just because it's a different angle on the concept of Robocop?

That's like saying BATMAN BEGINS "wasn't Batman" because it didn't take the exact same approach as Tim Burton's 1989 film.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Burton's Batman wasn't the source for the Batman character and mythology. It was an adaptation of it. Anything RoboCop related is an adaptation of the mythology introduced in the first movie. That's the original source.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Burton's Batman wasn't the source for the Batman character and mythology. It was an adaptation of it. Anything RoboCop related is an adaptation of the mythology introduced in the first movie. That's the original source.

Exactly. We are talking about something that was originated on film. Why are people just ignoring this?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If I could get anything movie wise right now it would be a sequel to this, simply because the possibilities are so vast this could really make a great new franchise, and while I love Marvel films I'm somewhat bored of the same characters over and over I really like a variety.

I agree, I think a Robocop 2 has huge potential to go places the 1st movie couldnt, and hopefully the studio would leave the director alone this time.

They could re-make Robocop 2 throwing in their own ideas like they did with this movie.

Or they could go their own way and explore OCP and Robocop himself more, have him taking out crime thats funded by OCP like in the 1st movie.

Clarence Bodicker could be introduced as the villain.

Murphy could realise he has no place in his family anymore and make the decision to leave them alone.

The possibilities are endless with a sequel.

I would love for Padihla to come back for a potential sequel if it happens.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Exactly. We are talking about something that was originated on film. Why are people just ignoring this?

Probably because we get so many remakes and reboots and new adaptations some people forget that fact. You shouldn't begrudge anyone from comparing a new product to its source material.

 

[Saint]

One of the problems the film had, just with regards to being a film, as opposed to a Robocop film, was weak villains and weak conflict.

None of the villains were well developed or seemed particularly dangerous. Even the ED 209s were boring. Basically in every sense, the crime lord, the evil business man, and the giant robot were all deeply diminished echoes of the original.

Keaton was actually fun (maybe the only character in the movie who wasn't cardboard), but a deeply ineffective villain.

Also, they did an abysmal job convincing me crime was so bad it warranted robots on the street. Detroit looked better than it does today.

The film was just too reigned in and by the numbers. Even the action lacked impact.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Pretty much. It was a by the numbers superhero movie. Whether you love or hate that is a different story. But it is what it is.

Personally I think offing Sellers/Keaton was such a waste. For all this sequel sequel sequel talk it doesn't look like the movie was envisioned to be more than a one off.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Weak villains and weak conflict have plagued most of these type of these films. Heck outside of Loki, it has been the same for Marvel Studios.

 

[chintai80]

loki's charming, funny, and a little tragic, but i never found him to be that strong a villian.

the last marvel villian to really have held the screen, to me, is when alfred molina played doc ock, and that was a decade ago.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

loki's charming, funny, and a little tragic, but i never found him to be that strong a villian.

the last marvel villian to really have held the screen, to me, is when alfred molina played doc ock, and that was a decade ago.

You can be a villain without being typical.