The Amazing Spider-Man Script getting a rewrite

[spider-neil]

sam was basically working on his dream project. he was still high from knocking it out of the park with SM2. he should have said, drop venom or I walk. it really was way to late in the day for a script rewrite, linking two escape villians was easy dropping one of them to insert a character with a complex history was frigging INSANE and it showed. look at penny (sandman's daughter) who was basically reduced to one scene.

sam takes some of the blame for not being stronger but if I were in his shows I would have probably backed down as well, its spider-man for me there is no other project I'd rather work on, that would be it. sam should have called their (sony/avi) bluff because no way would they have sacked him. no chance.

 

[The Squirrel]

you can't be serious? do you think its a coincedence that the majority of excellent movies had a very hands off approach from the studios. name an excellent movie, chances are the studio just let the director get on with it.

I can't be serious that the director shoulders the responsibility of his movie? Yeah, I guess I don't know what I was thinking.

Look, I still love the first two, and I have no hard feelings toward Sam. But that doesn't change the point that SM3 was his responsibility.

 

[chaseter]

That is like saying the fault lies with the guy who was told to fudge some accounting numbers by his boss or he is going to get fired. He could have taken the high road yes, but his boss could have also left it alone and let him do his job. It is called micro managing, something Fox is known for. X3 isn't solely Ratner's fault, SM3 isn't solely Raimi's fault.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

That is like saying the fault lies with the guy who was told to fudge some accounting numbers by his boss or he is going to get fired. He could have taken the high road yes, but his boss could have also left it alone and let him do his job. It is called micro managing, something Fox is known for. X3 isn't solely Ratner's fault, SM3 isn't solely Raimi's fault.

I think that is the first time I've heard someone say X3 isn't 100% ratner's fault....

 

[©KAW]

That is what happens when studios listen to fanboys. We finally got Gambit...crap. We finally got Deadpool...crap. We finally got an Indy IV...bleh.

Yes, I do agree that Raimi is part to blame. He did continue with the film without standing his ground. However, making one mediocre film after a great film and an amazing film doesn't mean throw him under the bus he has lost his way. He should have been able to redeem himself and pull the franchise he started back out of the ground. I was glad to see that he didn't bend over to the studio this time and do the crap they wanted. You say Raimi should have stood up for himself with SM3 but when he does so with SM4, you criticize him. Which is it? He quit after he got pushed around instead of going on and making SM3.5. You should be applauding him.

I'm not the one who believes that he walked.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I don't know what is more vomit inducing; you making fun of a man that has helped write some great scripts, or you wanting this movie to be a teen flick.

I don't want it to be a teen flick.

 

[dark_b]

You can blame the studio all you want, but in the end, it is the director's job to make it work, which Sam failed to do in SM3. That is the only problem I have with him. He turned out a bad film, so sue me. I still love the first two.

But if you are going to polish the script, is it that hard to get someone who didn't work on the last three movies?

he is the ''go to'' guy to polish Sony's scripts.

what is so hard to understand?

 

[The Squirrel]

That is like saying the fault lies with the guy who was told to fudge some accounting numbers by his boss or he is going to get fired. He could have taken the high road yes, but his boss could have also left it alone and let him do his job. It is called micro managing, something Fox is known for. X3 isn't solely Ratner's fault, SM3 isn't solely Raimi's fault.

I don't really think it's like that at all. Did Sony screw up? Yes. But Raimi did too. Sorry if me thinking he has responsibility in it makes me some kind of "hater".

 

[The Squirrel]

he is the ''go to'' guy to polish Sony's scripts.

what is so hard to understand?

What is so hard to understand about not wanting him to do it? It's just an opinion.

 

[chaseter]

I think that is the first time I've heard someone say X3 isn't 100% ratner's fault....

HAHA. He is a terrible director but Fox is also a terrible studio.

I'm not the one who believes that he walked.

Of course you don't, because you have blinders on.

I don't want it to be a teen flick.

Then why comment on how an old man is writing a teen flick? If it is going to be a teen flick none the less so what does it matter if he is writing it??? That is how your post came across to me; that you were making fun of him because he has signed on to polish a script that deals with teens so he therefore will not be good at it and give us a bad result in the teen issues department.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Then why comment on how an old man is writing a teen flick? It is going to be a teen flick none the less so what does it matter if he is writing it???

Out of touch.

 

[©KAW]

Of course you don't, because you have blinders on.

Same way I feel about those who think he walked.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

you ever get tired of *****ing about the same thing day in and day out?

just wondering.

 

[©KAW]

No.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

unsurprising, to say the least.

 

[echostation]

ok you guys need to stop with this whole rumor nonsense of Kraven being a high school football and wrestling jock at school who does battle with Parker after going on a safari to africa and gaining special powers...

 

[Infinity9999x]

I don't really think it's like that at all. Did Sony screw up? Yes. But Raimi did too. Sorry if me thinking he has responsibility in it makes me some kind of "hater".

I more or less agree with this. Was it all Raimi's fault? No, of course not. He was forced into an cruddy situation. He could have taken the high road, yes, but honestly, if any of us had the chance to direct a movie about our favorite character, would we risk losing it?

However, I will say this. Once Raimi realized he wasn't going to get his way, he should have swallowed his pride and incorporated Venom in a way that didn't hurt the movie. In short, he should have cut Sandman. We all know Raimi isn't a fan of Venom's character. But then I kept wondering "So? Why don't you just MAKE him into a character you like."

It's obvious Raimi doesn't have a problem changing things about villains. Ock and Sandman are proof of that. He should have cut Sandman, and used the time to develop Brock as more of a character, and that way, we could have at least gotten a Two-Face situation in TDK, where we have good buildup with Brock, and even thought he actual Venom time is reduced, it doesn't feel quite as bad because Brock was a fully realized character.

He could have even combined Sandmans backstory with Brock's quite easily (I would have cut the Uncle Ben thing though.)

So in that aspect, I do believe some of the blame lies with Raimi. But certainly not all of it.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I don't want it to be a teen flick.

Neither do I; but, I'm afraid that's what we are going to get.

My biggest fear.

 

[chaseter]

Same way I feel about those who think he walked.

And what would Raimi be fired over? Nothing pointed at him being fired.

 

[The Squirrel]

I more or less agree with this. Was it all Raimi's fault? No, of course not. He was forced into an cruddy situation. He could have taken the high road, yes, but honestly, if any of us had the chance to direct a movie about our favorite character, would we risk losing it?

However, I will say this. Once Raimi realized he wasn't going to get his way, he should have swallowed his pride and incorporated Venom in a way that didn't hurt the movie. In short, he should have cut Sandman. We all know Raimi isn't a fan of Venom's character. But then I kept wondering "So? Why don't you just MAKE him into a character you like."

It's obvious Raimi doesn't have a problem changing things about villains. Ock and Sandman are proof of that. He should have cut Sandman, and used the time to develop Brock as more of a character, and that way, we could have at least gotten a Two-Face situation in TDK, where we have good buildup with Brock, and even thought he actual Venom time is reduced, it doesn't feel quite as bad because Brock was a fully realized character.

He could have even combined Sandmans backstory with Brock's quite easily (I would have cut the Uncle Ben thing though.)

So in that aspect, I do believe some of the blame lies with Raimi. But certainly not all of it.

This is probably what I should have said from the start. Yes, the studio stepped in too much. But Raimi could have "turned lemons into lemonade", but instead, all we got was more lemons. And that is where his fault lies, imo.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think that is the first time I've heard someone say X3 isn't 100% ratner's fault....

Lol, personally, I think Ratner is a stuck up ass. X3 may not ahve been all his fault, but he was part of it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

you ever get tired of *****ing about the same thing day in and day out?

just wondering.

He sure doesn't and it's so annoying. In some way, he's trolling his opinion.

 

[Figs]

I don't understand why people want this to fail???? What kind of a Spider-Man fan are if you do? You can have doubts but hoping it will happen? People need to get over this being rebooted. I for one, hope that this will be good and not disapointing. I want another great Spider-Man film again.

I loved the first two Spider-Man films, was disappointed with the third but was hoping Raimi would redeem himself.

Once they announced doing a reboot I didn't know what to think. Right now i'm on the fence until they start announcing characters and especially villians/casting.

As for what you said in bold. It all starts off with "ZOMG, this movie is going to fail!" or "this Spider-Man film is going to be the worst!" Then the first teaser or full trailer hits and it turns to "This is going to rock!" "I just ****ed in my pants after seeing that!".

Just wait...

 

[TheSlag]

He sure doesn't and it's so annoying. In some way, he's trolling his opinion.

WELL.. BY ALL SAKES, Let us DEFINITELY police People's Opnions.

Alert the Opinion Police!!!!! t:

 

[TheSlag]

And what would Raimi be fired over? Nothing pointed at him being fired.

Perhaps he, empowered by the poor critical acclaim of SM3, grew some cocunuts and decided to Demand more control of SM4.. resulting in Sony "giving him his Walking Papers".

or

Perhaps, he again flexing his wants, wanted the Spider-Baby and marriage between Perter and MJ (Yawn), you know.. ALL about ONE Girl BS.. and Sony again.. Gave him "walking" papers.