Se7en vs. Silence of the Lambs!!!

[Red Mask]

nearly all thrillers are derivative of past thrillers,a lot borrow heavily from Hitchcock as a prime example however that is irrelevant here,which came first is not the issue,which is better is the point of debate and i still think in just about every department from cinematography,to editing,to acting,to terror seven is the superior film

In terms of acting, I still think Morgan Freeman and Kevin Spacey were the ones who really carried the film. Brad Pitt and Gweneth Paltrow weren't worth a nickel. Cinematography was too stylish to make this movie feel realistic. Since Se7en was a 'pointer' mystery, there was nothing to allay the fear of stopping the next crime. The cops were just following the crimes as they were pointed to the next direction. In Silence of the Lambs there was a time limit to save an innocent girl's life, raising the fear level. And in the end, one monster escaped after another was stopped. I'd be afraid if such a monster roamed freely in the world.

 

[Hunter Rider]

In terms of acting, I still think Morgan Freeman and Kevin Spacey were the ones who really carried the film. Brad Pitt and Gweneth Paltrow weren't worth a nickel. Cinematography was too stylish to make this movie feel realistic. Since Se7en was a 'pointer' mystery, there was nothing to allay the fear of stopping the next crime. The cops were just following the crimes as they were pointed to the next direction. In Silence of the Lambs there was a time limit to save an innocent girl's life, raising the fear level. And in the end, one monster escaped after another was stopped. I'd be afraid if such a monster roamed freely in the world.

well i disagree,Pitt was good in the movie and particularly in the final scenes IMO and Paltrow did her small role fine conveying her isolated wife character with willowy style feeling small and fragile against the harsh backdrop of NY
i also completely disagree on the cinematography,it was gritty and showed NY in the bleak colours of which the story took place
In SOL i found Hannibal camp and almost like a comic book character,a sort of Doom with cannabalistic tendancies as opposed to a serious threat,what makes John Doe so scary is that he is just an ordinary guy who has snapped and decided to leave his mark on the world as he finds everyday life so monotonous
the ending in seven was extremely clever where as the guy making the suit from skin just seemed silly IMO
also the fact the cops were powerless to stop Doe is more frightening as that is often the case in real life,there isn't as a rule a genius serial killer pointing an agent in the right direction,when a madman has an agenda as perverse and unpredicble as Doe stopping him is virtualy impossible and seven didn't eschew this fact in favour of a happy ending which made the movie more powerful IMO

 

[Red Mask]

well i disagree,Pitt was good in the movie and particularly in the final scenes IMO and Paltrow did her small role fine conveying her isolated wife character with willowy style feeling small and fragile against the harsh backdrop of NY
i also completely disagree on the cinematography,it was gritty and showed NY in the bleak colours of which the story took place
In SOL i found Hannibal camp and almost like a comic book character,a sort of Doom with cannabalistic tendancies as opposed to a serious threat,what makes John Doe so scary is that he is just an ordinary guy who has snapped and decided to leave his mark on the world as he finds everyday life so monotonous
the ending in seven was extremely clever where as the guy making the suit from skin just seemed silly IMO
also the fact the cops were powerless to stop Doe is more frightening as that is often the case in real life,there isn't as a rule a genius serial killer pointing an agent in the right direction,when a madman has an agenda as perverse and unpredicble as Doe stopping him is virtualy impossible and seven didn't eschew this fact in favour of a happy ending which made the movie more powerful IMO

I don't see how happy endings make horror-mystery films better or worse. So Bradd Pitt goes ballistic and John Doe wins. That's genius? No, that's a punch-line of a sick joke. The man was green on the job in a case that was beyond him. Morgan Freeman's character, although burnt out, had more fortitude and wisdom. Heck, the man even warned Pitt's character about their job. Still, Pitt's character ends up a chump.

Now John Doe's victims - do we really care for them? The 'disgusting fat man and disease-spreading ****e'? A known molester? John Doe didn't see the World as monotonous, he found it to be despicable. If we're to accept that the world is really like that I'm glad he got rid of them. By the way, since you believe the cinematography made NY look gritty with 'bleak colours', that means it was stylish. I've been to NY and it doesn't look like that. That city might not even be New York.

 

[NOFX]

I don't see how happy endings make horror-mystery films better or worse. So Bradd Pitt goes ballistic and John Doe wins. That's genius? No, that's a punch-line of a sick joke. The man was green on the job in a case that was beyond him. Morgan Freeman's character, although burnt out, had more fortitude and wisdom. Heck, the man even warned Pitt's character about their job. Still, Pitt's character ends up a chump.

Now John Doe's victims - do we really care for them? The 'disgusting fat man and disease-spreading ****e'? A known molester? John Doe didn't see the World as monotonous, he found it to be despicable. If we're to accept that the world is really like that I'm glad he got rid of them. By the way, since you believe the cinematography made NY look gritty with 'bleak colours', that means it was stylish. I've been to NY and it doesn't look like that. That city might not even be New York.

OWNED!!!

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't see how happy endings make horror-mystery films better or worse. So Bradd Pitt goes ballistic and John Doe wins. That's genius? No, that's a punch-line of a sick joke. The man was green on the job in a case that was beyond him. Morgan Freeman's character, although burnt out, had more fortitude and wisdom. Heck, the man even warned Pitt's character about their job. Still, Pitt's character ends up a chump.

Now John Doe's victims - do we really care for them? The 'disgusting fat man and disease-spreading ****e'? A known molester? John Doe didn't see the World as monotonous, he found it to be despicable. If we're to accept that the world is really like that I'm glad he got rid of them. By the way, since you believe the cinematography made NY look gritty with 'bleak colours', that means it was stylish. I've been to NY and it doesn't look like that. That city might not even be New York.

they make horror mystery films better b/c the use of happy endings in a story that is a bleak foray into death is stupid and kills the tension
the ending was clever for the simple reason John Doe played a game with the cops and as sadly is often the case in reality he won,his masterpiece conclusion to his sick game was to complete two sins in one go
I fail to see how Pitt's character ended up a chump,yes he was in over his head and ended up a broken man but he reacted to the situation like a lot of real ppl would,imagine how lame it wouldve been if he hadn't killed Doe,that would be BS most men seeing their wife's head in a box and her killer in front of them taunting them wouldve took the shot,it also made for the complex ending for the audience as Doe got what was coming to him and Pitt got revenge but at the same time Doe completed his masterpiece,

WOW the second part you are pretty judgemental there,a hooker and a fat guy deserve to die do they ? the molester i can see but the other ppl were 2 that life had crapped on,they were victims in life and death which makes their story even sadder
Again on the cinematography point,the story was set in the scummy part of NY and during incesant rain,it was beautifuly lensed in a sepia tone i dont see why that is unrealisitic,if he had filmed it with sunshine in manhatten would that have been more realistic ? it can rain in NY the scummy parts are grimy and dark so he shot it that way

 

[Hunter Rider]

OWNED!!!

no

 

[Honey Vibe]

Se7en < Silence of the Lambs
Not to sound arrogant banana-ish, but I'm surprised this is a debate

 

[lockjaw]

SOTL>pretty much everything else . . .

 

[reggiebar]

Se7en < Silence of the Lambs
Not to sound arrogant banana-ish, but I'm surprised this is a debate

Me too...I love Fincher but SE7EN is wildly over-rated (if the viewer couldn't see Paltrow's death coming 100 miles away they were idiots - on the real, she disappears about 1/3 into the movie and the charcater is not even mentioned for the rest of the film).

SE7EN is basically a dumbed down thriller for a generation of kids who need to be force-fed all information in a nice wrapper but they haven't learned to actually think for themselves. Sure, cool concepts to the killings, but the movie is a very sub-par thriller and so over-rated it is a joke.

SOTL is pretty much the perfect thriller (certainly the best of its kind in decades).

 

[Hunter Rider]

Me too...I love Fincher but SE7EN is wildly over-rated (if the viewer couldn't see Paltrow's death coming 100 miles away they were idiots - on the real, she disappears about 1/3 into the movie and the charcater is not even mentioned for the rest of the film).

SE7EN is basically a dumbed down thriller for a generation of kids who need to be force-fed all information in a nice wrapper but they haven't learned to actually think for themselves. Sure, cool concepts to the killings, but the movie is a very sub-par thriller and so over-rated it is a joke.

SOTL is pretty much the perfect thriller (certainly the best of its kind in decades).

LMAO
ignoring the rest of your condecending post

1)you talk like SOTL is some really old Hitchcock classic like rear view window It was made in 1991 ,6 years before Seven so the whole "these kids" grandpa crap doesn't wash

2)I fail to see whats perfect about a thriller that has a female lead who is played like a tool,by an actress that can't keep her accent straight
it has a villain that comes over more camp than scary and lets not forget the idiotic suits of skin nonsense that looked like it came from some B-movie horror

SOTL-good film but far from perfect

 

[NOFX]

LMAO
ignoring the rest of your condecending post

1)you talk like SOTL is some really old Hitchcock classic like rear view window It was made in 1991 ,6 years before Seven so the whole "these kids" grandpa crap doesn't wash

2)I fail to see whats perfect about a thriller that has a female lead who is played like a tool,by an actress that can't keep her accent straight
it has a villain that comes over more camp than scary and lets not forget the idiotic suits of skin nonsense that looked like it came from some B-movie horror

SOTL-good film but far from perfect

SOTL won Best picture!!! And Se7en didnt!!!















































OWNED!!!

 

[Hunter Rider]

SOTL won Best picture!!! And Se7en didnt!!!


OWNED!!!

yeah and Halle Berry has a best actress oscar.Ie oscars mean ****...owned

 

[NOFX]

yeah and Halle Berry has a best actress oscar.Ie oscars mean ****...owned

Have you seen Monsters Ball!!! My god that is the single greatest sex scene of all time!!! She deserve that oscar as far as im concerend!!!

 

[Hunter Rider]

Have you seen Monsters Ball!!! My god that is the single greatest sex scene of all time!!! She deserve that oscar as far as im concerend!!!

LOL she shouldve went to the Porn awards instead AVN i think there called

 

[NOFX]

LOL she shouldve went to the Porn awards instead AVN i think there called

I'd be the first one in line to buy those videos

 

[Hunter Rider]

I'd be the first one in line to buy those videos

I guess though we'll have to make do with Monsters Ball and a flash in Swordfish

 

[NOFX]

I guess though we'll have to make do with Monsters Ball and a flash in Swordfish

Oh BTW SOTL is better then Se7en!!!



OWNED

 

[Hunter Rider]

Oh BTW SOTL is better then Se7en!!!

OWNED

 

[Paradoxium]

Silence of course. Se7en was good too, but Pitt was annoying in that film.

 

[Kent]

Silence of the Lambs is a hellofalot better than Se7en, which is a good movie, and I have it in my DVD-collection, but is still overrated beyond words.

 

[Sarge]

Why is Silence losing? My god, Se7en was a good movie but it's not the cure for cancer. Silence was brilliance.

 

[Kent]

Se7en < Silence of the Lambs
Not to sound arrogant banana-ish, but I'm surprised this is a debate

Why didn't you vote Honey? We're losing.

 

[Dark Donnie]

Se7en

 

[reggiebar]

1)you talk like SOTL is some really old Hitchcock classic like rear view window It was made in 1991 ,6 years before Seven so the whole "these kids" grandpa crap doesn't wash

2)I fail to see whats perfect about a thriller that has a female lead who is played like a tool,by an actress that can't keep her accent straight
it has a villain that comes over more camp than scary and lets not forget the idiotic suits of skin nonsense that looked like it came from some B-movie horror

SOTL-good film but far from perfect

1) SOTL is a "modern-day" classic thriller - period. It was also aimed at a more "adult" audience

2) Jodie Foster played the role perfectly (Clarice Starling - is not even an agent yet so she shouldn't be too perfect) Hence, Best Actress in a Leading Role for Jodie Foster

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

SOTL won Best picture!!! And Se7en didnt!!!















































OWNED!!!

Oscars don't mean anything. You're saying it's about as good as TITANIC?