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Discussion in 'Misc. Films' started by NOFX, Aug 7, 2005.
Silence of the Lambs. Simply a better made film, that i will still watch 10 years from now, which is more than i can say about Seven.
Yeah, I really did...thanks.
Like your defense of SE7EN and arguements against SOTL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OWNED AGAIN!!! KEEP IT COMING REGGIE
Yet another IGNORANT and RUDE comment on your part by comparing movie critic's opinions with that of the plight of the Jewish people during WWII.
WOW! You just used the horrible atrocities of propagnada by the Nazis in WWII and the near genocide of a people as an arguement during a debate between 2 movies and the opinion of movie critics. You really need to check yourself and get your priorities in life straight.
no your just an obnoxious ignorant lemon who's only support is a kid who's sole contribution is to type owned even when youve been exposed as a fool all topic long
My support is my knowledge of film and how I discussed these films in this topic. I was merely exteneded a thanks to NOFX for his comments not using them as my defense - I don't need that as my discussion on this topic speaks for itself.
Both you and Wilhem have been taken to school since I started posting posting in this topic. GO back and look at how Ed Gein was brought up for example and read the rest of these posts and you will see for yourself.
no kiddie bear youve been schooled time and again in here your defense of fosters acting,the campnes of lecter the stupidity of the skin suit(doesnt matter that Gein made stuff outve skin he never made a woman suit to try and become a women and that is B movie horror nonsense)have all showed you up as ignorant
Seven is superior in all departments and if i need to teach you anymore i want payment
Wrong again...I have actually worked in the film industry as well as having "actual schooling" in cinema in college, so the only thing you are doing is proving your ignorance on cinema.
Wilhelm-Scream has filp-flopped his thoughts on Jodie Foster's accent so many times, it is a joke.
You have done nothing to support to your views on SE7EN with any actual, deductive reasoning and when you do make a poin tit is later disproved not onky by myself but by other posters.
Oh bravo the "ive worked in cinema" BS
Ive backed up every point ive had about seven and torn holes through your limp wristed posts
You have no clue what your talking about cinematography-seven wins,acting seven wins,story seven wins,credibility seven wins,directing seven wins it's as easy as that
BTW, I never lie about my work history and I did work at a major production/management company when I was living in LA for 4+ years in the late 90s. I have actaully worked directly in the business and have actulaly studied film in college. Have you? I doubt it or you would never state that "cinematography-seven wins,acting seven wins,story seven wins,credibility seven wins,directing seven wins".
Cinematography is only category that is up for debate as that is truly all SE7EN has going for it as a movie.
See once again pompous crap from you
Seven-expertly crafted and fresh with a great twist
SOL-rip off of part of Gein's story with a silly skin suit motive
perhaps even bar the skin suit as both killing spree's are possible
Fincher is awesome and all you so called elitist types even admit that but i guess your above them as well
I will put it to you in an easy way that you can understand, because you don't seem to be that well read or you would never say that SE7EN's story is better than SOTL as you clearly have't read any of Thomas Harris' works (RED DRAGON and SOTL are classic books in that genre).
Ask anyone who has seen both SOTL & SE7EN what was the name of the character played by Brad Pitt in SE7EN. How many people you think will be able to name his character? If you are lucky 20%. Ask these same people the name of Foster's charcater in SOTL and I will bet anything that at least 90% of them (if not more) can tell you Clarice Starling. You can't do the same for Spacey and Hopkins as Spacey's charcater was named John Doe. However, ask these same people the name of Hopkins' charcater and 100% of them will tell you Hannibal Lecor. Why such a difference? Simple, Clarice Starling and Hannibal Lector are two of most memorable characters in movie history - period. Why? SOTL is a classic thriller that was both expertetly acted and expertly directed, plain and simple.
As for David Fincher, I think he is a wildly talented director who has directed one classic movie, but that film is not SE7EN. It is FIGHT CLUB, one of thr single best book to film interpretations of all time along with SOTL. I enjoyed THE GAME. I enjoyed PANIC ROOM. I enjoyed SE7EN. Do I blame him for ALIEN3? No, I understand the studio handcuffed him with ALIEN3, so that film can't be held against Fincher. FIGHT CLUB is a classic, so don't give me that nonsense you spouted about Fincher. Am I excited for Fincher's next movie, ZODIAC, absolutely as I believe that Fincher can learn from the mistakes he made in SE7EN and, hopefully, make a truly classic thriller in ZODIAC by correcting the elements of SE7EN that prevented it from being one of the greats.
Did I enjoy Se7EN? Yes. Do I think it was a very good film? Sure. Is it a classic? No. SOTL is a classic - period.
Oh, for the record, so we don't get into it with my opinion of FIGHT CLUB. Chuck Palahniuk is my favorite author of my generation and when I read FIGHT CLUB in the early 90s years before it was a film, it instantly became one of my favorite books. Can I make as compelling an agrument of the quality of the movie version of FIGHT CLUB as I can with the movie version of SOTL? No, as FIGHT CLUB, IMO, is a classic for ceratin people and a certain audience (BTW, most fans of the movie FIGHT CLUB actaully have no idea what the film is about but that is a different subject). SOTL is a classic thriller, plain and simple as it translates for any audience where FIGHT CLUB truly translates for a specific audience. So, before you rant about this topic, I wanted to make this clarification as I known full well that many people do not understand FIGHT LCUB even most of its so-called fans.
I also really liked 8mm with Mr. Cage.
U mean that porno movie
Wasn't a porno movie, but yes, 8mm.
Its funny, I think I must have been drunk or something because I thought it was going to be an action movie. I mistook 8mm for 9mm. Didnt think I was giong to see snuff movie even though I liked the film
you arrogant ass,you talk more **** than a second rate cali crack ****e
Just cos you and other snotty elitists claim SOL is a classic book doesn't make it so
your like some ******ed sheep bleating out the posturing ignorance of a brainwashed cretinous fascist government
Just cos seven didn't appear in book form first doesn't mean it's not a better story although i realise from your limited position of needing your views justified by critics that this is a tough concept for you to grasp
I seriously doubt the figures on clarice and hannibal is well known cos he is a cartoon character,thats why,his liver eating gained him notoriety it had nothing to do with great acting or directing,he is a special attraction nothing more,a big gimmick that caught on a bit like hulk hogan,
Go out and ask people who have seen both films and you will be able to see for yourself about just how many more people can name Clarice Starling than they can name Pitt's character whatever the name was as it was not a memorable performance by any means (which is why you compared Freeman to Foster when the true comparison in characters is Scott Glenn's character to Morgan Freeman's character and Brad Pitt's to Jodie Foster's, but you would actually have to be able to comprehend what a protaganist is to be able to understand). Protaganist - The main character in a drama or other literary work. Get it or are you too much of a dilettant to understand.
BTW, I am not arrogant, simply intelligent.
Do you actually read? Books?
For the record, I claim that SOTL is a classic novel because I have actually read said novel as well as many others in that genre.