Season 6, Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" Discussion Thread

[Unbreakable Lex]

HBO's Making of Game of Thrones blog just posted this image which confirms Jon Snow's father which is likely being left for a season 8 reveal.

 

[Iceman]

The Lannister/Baratheon side looks like crap right now, but with one of the most evil people in the series now in control, there are a lot of factors that can be put into play:

- alliance/marriage with House Greyjoy
- Littlefinger switching sides
- Melisandre switching sides
- installing a much stronger/easily controlled ally in the Riverlands
- still sitting on a pile of chemical WMDs
- sabotaging the Wall or otherwise making it easier for the dead to invade

Are there any Baratheon/Lannister kids left to marry off? t:

 

[Legendver2]

The Lannister/Baratheon side looks like crap right now, but with one of the most evil people in the series now in control, there are a lot of factors that can be put into play:

- alliance/marriage with House Greyjoy
- Littlefinger switching sides
- Melisandre switching sides
- installing a much stronger/easily controlled ally in the Riverlands
- still sitting on a pile of chemical WMDs
- sabotaging the Wall or otherwise making it easier for the dead to invade

I doubt Melisandre will switch sides if she's a religious as the show portrays her. She completely buys into Jon being the Prince that was Promised, despite her exile, what reason is there for her to switch sides.

And I doubt the South would know anything about the impending Night King invasion anyway, or just chalk it up to chatter.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Are there any Baratheon/Lannister kids left to marry off? t:

I was thinking about Cersei marrying Euron. Holy ****, that would be entertaining. They would be the Westeros version of Al and Peg Bundy.

 

[Rowsdower!]

LOL, but wasn't that Robert and Cersei?

 

[Pink Ranger]

LOL, but wasn't that Robert and Cersei?

Clearly, when it comes to sham marriages, Cersei has a "type."

 

[BestGirl]

In the books it's different. Basically, there's a whole other character/faction that has come into the story and Dany's basically absorbed his plotline, so she's automatically got more allies helping her that way. Also in the books Euron Greyjoy is basically a demon wearing a pirate suit with a lot of magic ammunition and possible connection to the White Walkers, so he's stronger than his show counterpart who is just a typical Greyjoy reaver. And Cersei's in such a precarious position that she's going to be more self-destructive than overly threatening. So yeah, I'd say that Dany's basically gonna steamroll through her enemies next season.

The problems will come in Season 8 where all of her eastern warriors start getting beaten down by the extreme cold and the hordes of the dead.

We know nothing about Euron at this point, so it's still possible to introduce his demonic, magical side.

I imagine the White Walker invasion is still 6 or 7 episodes off.

I bet the White Walkers invading Westeros will be the finale for season 6.

 

[BestGirl]

I was thinking about Cersei marrying Euron. Holy ****, that would be entertaining. They would be the Westeros version of Al and Peg Bundy.

I've imagined Euron and Cersei hooking up ever since Dany took on Yara and Theon.

 

[InCali]

I've acknowledged that Rhaegar has been officially confirmed as Jon's father; I might not understand the reasoning behind the whole scenario, but that doesn't preclude me from accepting it as the reality the show/series is operating in.

The only reason we were even arguing is that some people disagree(d) with the fact that Rhaegar being Jon's father wasn't actually confirmed until earlier today via chart, even though, as I've demonstrated, other sources acknowledged that fact as well.

This is all very interesting and exciting. Sorry i missed all of the action.

 

[Victarion]

I've that view of a lot of what the show does.

In terms of villains, it's interesting what D&D think of them for the next few seasons:



http://deadline.com/2016/06/game-of-thrones-season-6-finale-david-benioff-d-b-weiss-hbo-1201780242/

Doesn't sound like the NK is going to get much characterisation.

I'd be thrilled if the NK turned out to be a militant pacifist, given his evident discomfort at being turned into a weapon for the children of the forest.

This gives me a sliver of hope for Euron next season.

 

[Roose Bolton]

We know nothing about Euron at this point, so it's still possible to introduce his demonic, magical side.

Well we know a few things. We know he's less intelligent and less dangerous right off the bat given how Theon and Yara managed to dupe him so easily. We also know that he lacks the David Bowie-type freaky greenseer red eye and we know that he doesn't drink shade of the evening or have any dealing with the warlocks of Qarth.

 

[flickchick85]

Are there any Baratheon/Lannister kids left to marry off? t:

Time to legitimize Gendry if they can find his boat!

 

[Drizzle]

I was thinking about Cersei marrying Euron. Holy ****, that would be entertaining. They would be the Westeros version of Al and Peg Bundy.

Cersei doesn't need to marry anyone now. She's got all the power. But an alliance with Euron? Sure. Not that it would do much good anyway. Yara (and by extention, Daenerys) has the Greyjoy fleet. What's Euron going to have? Twenty dudes and a couple of ramshackle ships?

 

[Victarion]

I was left with the opposite impression where Cersei is concerned. She's sitting the throne, yes, but where is her power?

The Riverlands will likely be in flux next season if the Frey holdouts resist the Tullys

The North is firmly in Jon's corner...possibly Littlefinger's pocket. Same for the Vale.

Dorne, Highgarden are with Danaerys now.

It seems like Cersei is hemorrhaging any real power.

 

[Kane52630]

She's got the mountain.

 

[Drizzle]

I was left with the opposite impression where Cersei is concerned. She's sitting the throne, yes, but where is her power?

The Riverlands will likely be in flux next season if the Frey holdouts resist the Tullys

The North is firmly in Jon's corner...possibly Littlefinger's pocket. Same for the Vale.

Dorne, Highgarden are with Danaerys now.

It seems like Cersei is hemorrhaging any real power.

The Freys have a ****ty army, if you want to even call it an army. The Lannisters are a different story. If Riverrun can resist the Lannisters then they'd probably align themselves with Jon.

I predict that the North will ally itself with Daenerys by the end of next season so Cersei will be completely surrounded by a singular threat from all sides.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The Lannisters are basically the only real power Cersei has at this point, and while they're a good army, they're not so numerous or skilled enough to really hold off against multiple kingdoms by themselves. In Season 2 they were being pushed back by Robb coming down from the North and if not for the Tyrells support they'd have been destroyed by Stannis and the Stormlands. So, on their own the Lannisters were on the losing end, and that was with the likes of Tywin in control....and Cersei's no Tywin.

 

[Marvolo]

And I doubt they have the balls to stand defiant in the face of three dragons and an alliance of Dothraki, Iron Islanders, Dornish, and the army of the Reach. I wont be surprised if the Lannister army gives Cersei the finger and surrender or if the army has a lot of defections.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah, really at this point I think Cersei's a bigger danger to herself and those close to her than her enemies.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The Lannisters are basically the only real power Cersei has at this point, and while they're a good army, they're not so numerous or skilled enough to really hold off against multiple kingdoms by themselves. In Season 2 they were being pushed back by Robb coming down from the North and if not for the Tyrells support they'd have been destroyed by Stannis and the Stormlands. So, on their own the Lannisters were on the losing end, and that was with the likes of Tywin in control....and Cersei's no Tywin.

I'm not convinced Cersei has the Lannister army. After all, she killed the family's patriarch (Kevan), that's a no-no. There are other male Lannisters back in the West. Jaime has a claim though.

 

[Brother Jack]

Yeah, really at this point I think Cersei's a bigger danger to herself and those close to her than her enemies.

That is true, but we don't know exactly where her head space is now that her children are dead and she is queen. Her coronation scene did not play out in a victorious way at all and it's difficult to gauge how much she actually wants to be in the position she's in. So it remains to be seen how much she'll try to defend herself. If she does I can easily see her teaming up with Euron; like you said, she doesn't have a lot of options at this point and Dany will surely not tolerate Euron's proposition to her.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'm not convinced Cersei has the Lannister army. After all, she killed the family's patriarch (Kevan), that's a no-no. There are other male Lannisters back in the West. Jaime has a claim though.

In the books, of the Lannisters of Casterly Rock (the branch that controls the entire thing) there are four brothers: Tywin, Kevan, Tygett, and Gerion. Kevan's kids have mostly been adapted out aside from Lancel, who is dead. Tygett died of a disease a few years before the series started and his only child gets kidnapped/killed during the riots in KL. Gerion tried to sail to Valyria and was never heard from again, with his only child being a bastard daughter named Joy Hill.

At this stage, on the show most of them are dead or adapted out, so I'd think it all goes to Jaime now that he's no longer a Kingsguard.

That is true, but we don't know exactly where her head space is now that her children are dead and she is queen. Her coronation scene did not play out in a victorious way at all and it's difficult to gauge how much she actually wants to be in the position she's in. So it remains to be seen how much she'll try to defend herself. If she does I can easily see her teaming up with Euron; like you said, she doesn't have a lot of options at this point and Dany will surely not tolerate Euron's proposition to her.

I think there's a few problems with a Euron/Cersei alliance. Mainly that I don't think Euron will know that Dany is against him until he actually goes to make his proposal, and in which case I can only imagine that that will escalate into a full scale conflict at once. Also, on Cersei's end, Euron destroyed her family's fleet during the Greyjoy Rebellion and basically crippled what was once a powerful navy. Going by Tyrion's comments in Season 1 about that, and his continued antagonism towards Theon in Season 6, I don't think the Lannisters especially like the Ironborn after that.

 

[Reek]

After seeing Theon walking around Meereen, I won't be surprised about anything anymore

 

[Roose Bolton]

Maybe Euron will die between seasons. The real villain turns out to be Daario...also known as the guy who amounted to nothing.

 

[Reek]

Daario is still the harpy, this is all just a jape! now hes on the ships!