Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[marvelrobbins]

While I agree we could be In for a trek 2009 situation where it's up to FC cast to carry on In future I think some are dismissing OT cast and and over estimating the FC cast.

While the wolverine Domiscly did 14 million less than FC It did much better International.Thta's proof the OT cast Isn't yesterday's news.

There Is no gurante Jennifer lawrence will bring In Hungar game audence to DOFP.Inless
they were already X-Men fans and were among those who went to see First Class.

 

[SuperT]

People need to stop being so ridiculous over the whole OT vs FC silliness. Both casts are great, and you're kidding yourself to think that at this point there aren't considerable draws amongst the FC cast.

Exactly.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It is all silly all this FC vs OT, I know me personally I'm gonna enjoy seeing both casts on screen again

 

[Mars123]

No to reboot. The end.

 

[X-Maniac]

It is all silly all this FC vs OT, I know me personally I'm gonna enjoy seeing both casts on screen again

Yes, it's all a bit silly, but people are just trying to argue where the emphasis should be after DoFP. More from the FC characters, or more from the OT. While the OT cast are well established as X-Men, the FC cast are not (yet).

 

[Mr.M]

Yeah, they really have alot of options. A FC film about Scott, Jean and Storm seems like a logical way to go for me, but who knows. It will be interesting. Either one should be just as profitable after DOFP. They will be coming off the same film in the end. Where Jackman goes does mean alot, but now that he can be in either that changes things a bit.

X-Men, First Class, X-Force, Wolverine, Deadpool etc. Lots of cool stuff in the mix Hopefully we learn more soon.

I still think it's too early to jump to the 80's/90's with these actors, regardless of the makeup and CGI these days. Let the story progress naturally. No need to rush it. I think they can still squeeze another Beast/Xavier movie before going back to OT characters.

I disagree with that.X-force Isn't going to be In far future.

If DOFP ending is a trek 2009 situation X-Force like next wolverine will likely
be In past.The only way for X-force not to be In past at this point if if more
Is done with OT cast.

If FC3 Is next big event In series and films will center on FC era characters from now on X-Force will be in past.If trilogy and the wolverine are deleted from series cannon all bets are off.The next wolverine film may or may not
show how he gets adamanturm In new timeline.Wolverine may be a member
of team In FC3.

I only believe X-Force will be in the future due to the back story with the Summers family. Cable would be born around 2010's or so, so 2060's sound like a good year for that setting. Plus you start planting the seeds to Apocalypse right there, leading into another time travel movie. I think the timeline could look something like:

2016: Wolverine 3 (Stand alone film in the 70's/80's or post 2023)
2017: FC 3 (Xavier/Beast/Magneto recruiting young mutants)
2018: X-Force
2021: X-Force 2/FC4 cross over movie (versus Sinister and/or Apocalypse).

Cable would go back in time, the X-Men could contend with Sinister or Apocalypse in the past. I see Cable as the new Wolverine of the franchise in this case (assuming Fox even has his rights... lol). By 2021, you'd probably have to recast the entire OT roster. Plus I don't think it necessarily has to take place in the past. You could pick up a story where Jean/Scott are running the mansion in the new timeline, with Xavier/Magneto having passed (and assuming Fassebender and McAvoy don't want to do more movies after FC 3).

 

[Naji Assan]

2016: Wolverine 3 (Either 70's or post 2023)
2017: X-Men (starring FC cast)
2018: X-Force
2021: X-Force 2/FC4 cross over movie.

I wouldn't be so conservative with the studio's potential plan. The same way we got announcements for X-Force and Wolverine III in the past months, expect more and more properties to be greenlit after Days of Future Past brings in the big bucks:

X-Factor Investigations
Alpha Flight
Starjammers
New Mutants
Excalibur
The Silver Surfer

The studio is now in the building stages of its shared universe so it needs its lead-in film body beefed up.

 

[Mr.M]

Well, I got nothing slated in 2019 and 2020, and they may very well release spinoffs in non-peak seasons, so I agree completely. By the way, what's a good title for FC 3? X-Men: The Beginning? X-Men Begin? Or something pertaining to the villain perhaps?

 

[marvelrobbins]

Why do people think they will flood the market with spinoffs instead of doing X-Men films.

If DOFP ending Is a Abrams Trek Situation the films will be set In FC era post DOFP.

 

[Mr.M]

Why do people think they will flood the market with spinoffs instead of doing X-Men films.

If DOFP ending Is a Abrams Trek Situation the films will be set In FC era post DOFP.

Nobody is "flooding" anything. I think there will be at least two more X-Men event films this decade and change. But I guess us fans project our bias onto reality, which is a popular thing here. Because outside of FC 3, which we assume, the only thing the studio has mentioned thus far are W3 and X-Force, which are basically spinoffs.

 

[Naji Assan]

Why do people think they will flood the market with spinoffs instead of doing X-Men films.

Lead-in films, not spinoffs.

Think Every non-Avengers movie over at Marvel/Disney.

X-Men films become Avengers films.

If DOFP ending Is a Abrams Trek Situation the films will be set In FC era post DOFP.

I'm thinking the 80s. You need to justify a late-20s Scott Summers. He's still in high school in the 70s.

 

[Naji Assan]

Well, I got nothing slated in 2019 and 2020, and they may very well release spinoffs in non-peak seasons, so I agree completely. By the way, what's a good title for FC 3? X-Men: The Beginning? X-Men Begin? Or something pertaining to the villain perhaps?

The title will most likely be the big crossover event title adapted for the film. Age of Apocalypse is too early. Maybe Days of Future Present (specially with the FF involvement)? Maybe Mutant Massacre? Maybe Inferno?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

There is a lot of reasons why there is hype

1. Sentinels

2. Days of future past name and story being turned into a movie

3. An Xmen movie is doing time travel

4. The FC cast return for their first sequel film

5. OT reunion

6. The cross over concept is always risky and that excites

For the fans absolutely. But I don't think the general audience knows any of this. The trailer certainly didn't indicate sentinels

Yes, it's all a bit silly, but people are just trying to argue where the emphasis should be after DoFP. More from the FC characters, or more from the OT. While the OT cast are well established as X-Men, the FC cast are not (yet).

Well the first class characters are the same characters as the main trilogy. They aren't different characters.

 

[SuperT]

Not to mention the whole "The OT cast is more established...." argument is pretty silly. Of course the OT cast is more established - they've been in three movies now - four after next year.

There's nothing saying that the First Class crew won't be "established" (whatever that even means really) after FC, DOFP and any movie with them after that as well.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its not only because the OT cast are more established, but they appeared in more selling X-Men movies.

Why do people think they will flood the market with spinoffs instead of doing X-Men films.

If DOFP ending Is a Abrams Trek Situation the films will be set In FC era post DOFP.

Because spin-offs are the way to go because they have been successful in the comics, selling them to mainstream movie goers would be such so much easier than selling a core X-Men film.

 

[Naji Assan]

Because spin-offs are the way to go because they have been successful in the comics, selling them to mainstream movie goers would be such so much easier than selling a core X-Men film.

But the core X-Men film happens anyway though...

 

[psylockolussus]

Yes, it's all a bit silly, but people are just trying to argue where the emphasis should be after DoFP. More from the FC characters, or more from the OT. While the OT cast are well established as X-Men, the FC cast are not (yet).

I wouldn't have much problem with moving on with FC cast if they were able to bring the same amount of money (at least in the U.S.) like what the Star Trek 2009 film achieved. But no.

Some people like to think that cast will get more money when they appeared in their own 2nd film/3rd film. But there's no assurance for that especially when they still have the option to use the original cast (who are still accepting acting roles, who are willing to return and still looks good for their age). Its not like they are all in their 60s and would look awkward in armor suits.

 

[Specter313]

Its not only because the OT cast are more established, but they appeared in more selling X-Men movies.



Because spin-offs are the way to go because they have been successful in the comics, selling them to mainstream movie goers would be such so much easier than selling a core X-Men film.

I wouldn't have much problem with moving on with FC cast if they were able to bring the same amount of money (at least in the U.S.) like what the Star Trek 2009 film achieved. But no.

Some people like to think that cast will get more money when they appeared in their own 2nd film/3rd film. But there's no assurance for that especially when they still have the option to use the original cast (who are still accepting acting roles, who are willing to return and still looks good for their age). Its not like they are all in their 60s and would look awkward in armor suits.

And here you go yet again, expecting the performance of ONE FILM to surpass that of THREE. It's just so nonsensical and ridiculous a notion to even expect anyone to agree with, it just further proves that you are completely biased against giving the FC films even a remote chance at success. And if all film studios refused to give any possible franchises sequels unless they do blockbuster numbers (let's not even get started again on this ridiculous 500 million number you pulled out of your bum to say they have to reach to be successful), then nothing would ever get a chance at all.

And now you're trying to say that comic spin offs don't work either? Here's a little history lesson for you. Want to guess how long the first volume of each of these books lasted?

New Mutants? 8 years.
X-Force? 10 years.
X-Factor? 12 years (which also went through a major creative and cast shakeup in year 5 and still continued to thrive)
Excalibur? 10 years.
Generation X? 7 years.
Alpha Flight? 11 years.

So try and pull it again that spin-offs don't have potential to be successful.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Its not only because the OT cast are more established, but they appeared in more selling X-Men movies

True.

They also had the benefit of an interconnected trilogy that told a larger story through 3 movies, more known characters (Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Jean Grey versus Beast, Havok, Banshee) as well as the more iconic versions of common characters (bald wheelchair bound Xavier versus young walking full head of hair womanizer Xavier) as well as not having to follow up a movie that was deemed a conclusion to the universe.

Now that the cast has a franchise success in X-Men: First Class, and the cast has heavy hitters of their own like Fassbender, Hoult, and especially Jennifer Lawrence, this cast has its own star power.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hmmm if First Class turned out to be a bad movie, people here wouldn't be asking for a 2nd movie featuring with them.

But the other cast, X3 came and Origins followed, yet people still want to see more from the OT cast and Hugh Jackman.

And I wouldn't call First Class a truly "franchise success" since its budget was 160 million and it didn't even earn 160 in the U.S. And to date, its the second lowest-grossing X-Men film. At least with X1, it came out 13 years ago and if we consider price inflation, its not even in last place. Critically, its a success but box-office wise, not really.

 

[Specter313]

Hmmm First Class turned out to be a bad movie, people here wouldn't be asking for a 2nd movie featuring with them.

But the other cast, X3 came and Origins followed, yet people still want to see more from the OT cast and Hugh Jackman.

And I wouldn't call First Class a truly "franchise success" since its budget was 160 million and it didn't even earn 160 in the U.S. And to date, its the second lowest-grossing X-Men film. At least with X1, it came out 13 years ago and if we consider price inflation, its not even in last place. Critically, its a success but box-office wise, not really.

And now you have to resort to the desperate "what if" defense.

Well guess what, First Class was a good film and got the franchise back in the good graces of the fans again.

And people still wanted more from the OT cast because they wanted them to end on a high note and not the low one that the majority of fans considered those movies to be.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Let's face it: there are a ton of great X-Men stories that have yet to be told. However, after the multiple f-ups in X3 this franchise is significantly handicapped in terms of telling those stories. Key characters are dead/MIA, original cast is getting older, and the franchise is WAAAAYYY too concentrated on Wolverine. When Bryan started this gig in 1999, studios weren't sold on this concept and he had to serrrrrriously water down the greatness of the X-Men to make it more palatable to FOX, audiences, etc. 14 years later, we have Thor and Loki are duking it out in different spacial dimensions, and Thanos on his way...yet we're still stuck with clunky black leather uniforms from 2000. Guys, it's dated as hell now. It's tired.

It's time to freshen things up. Think about it: every other major CBM franchise has been or is being rebooted. Doing so keeps the characters fresh and relevant to audiences. And yet the franchise that started it all in 1999/2000 is STILL holding on to it's fractured foundation. It's time to let it go.

Imagine just a few of the many benefits that can come from a reboot that comes via DoFP:

1.) A restored Cyclops.

2.) A Storm we recognize.

3.) The Phoenix with an honest interpretation on film.

4.) The return of Nightcrawler.

5.) A true embrace of the cosmic elements as seen in The Avengers , Thor, Guardians Of The Galaxy, etc., and other Marvel properties.

6.) And best of all? Focusing on THE X-MEN--and their team, familial dynamic--not just cameos in place to support Wolverine.

I think for its time, FOX's original X-Men series served a valuable purpose. After all, it birthed the current Marvel film movement and I'm grateful for that. But now we're seeing really GREAT comic book films that are truly embracing the richness of the source material while still bringing something new. And FOX's X-Men just can't keep up with it anymore. It's like the franchise is in some sort of straitjacket--it's too rooted in "realism" and audiences are ready to accept the fantasy-elements of these story lines now.

Let Days Of Future Past be the signal to let the past be the past. Move forward with new actors, new storylines, etc., that can actually keep pace with the rest of the Marvel Universe.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hmm I would be more open to a reboot featuring an older Professor X, Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm or Professor X with the original five members of the X-Men portrayed by actors we haven't seen before in a X-Men film - than a soft-reboot with the First Class cast.

But to be honest, Fox doesn't need to let go of the current franchise just for the sake of it. Aside from the fans here, no one is asking for it. You have to remember something worse happened to Spider-Man, Daredevil, Hulk, Superman and Fantastic Four and thats why they are getting a reboot or already got a reboot. Batman is getting another reboot because Christian Bale wouldn't return w/o Christopher Nolan and they made it clear that its just a 3 picture deal. As long as people keep buying tickets and none of their films completely flopped or disappoint, Fox will continue this series.

 

[Naji Assan]

Let's face it: there are a ton of great X-Men stories that have yet to be told. However, after the multiple f-ups in X3 this franchise is significantly handicapped in terms of telling those stories. Key characters are dead/MIA, original cast is getting older, and the franchise is WAAAAYYY too concentrated on Wolverine. When Bryan started this gig in 1999, studios weren't sold on this concept and he had to serrrrrriously water down the greatness of the X-Men to make it more palatable to FOX, audiences, etc. While Thor and Loki are duking it out in different spacial dimensions, we're still stuck with clunky black leather uniforms from 2000. Guys, it's dated as hell now. It's tired.

It's time to freshen things up. Think about it: every other major CBM franchise has been or is being rebooted. Doing so keeps the characters fresh and relevant to audiences. And yet the franchise that started it all in 1999/2000 is STILL holding on to it's fractured foundation. It's time to let it go.

Imagine just a few of the many benefits that can come from a reboot that comes via DoFP:

1.) A restored Cyclops.

2.) A Storm we recognize.

3.) The Phoenix with an honest interpretation on film.

4.) The return of Nightcrawler.

5.) A true embrace of the cosmic elements as seen in The Avengers , Thor, Guardians Of The Galaxy, etc., and other Marvel properties.

6.) And best of all? Focusing on THE X-MEN--and their team, familial dynamic--not just cameos in place to support Wolverine.

I think for its time, FOX's original X-Men series served a valuable purpose. After all, it birthed the current Marvel film movement and I'm grateful for that. But now we're seeing really GREAT comic book films that are truly embracing the richness of the source material while still bringing something new. And FOX's X-Men just can't keep up with it anymore. It's like the franchise is in some sort of straitjacket--it's too rooted in "realism" and audiences are ready to accept the fantasy-elements of these story lines now.

Let Days Of Future Past be the signal to let the past be the past. Move forward with new actors, new storylines, etc., that can actually keep pace with the rest of the Marvel Universe.

All of this = yes.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I don't want cosmic elements In X-Men films now do I want half the films to be comedy.

And if you hate the X-men films noone is forcing you to watch them or post here.

Again some are wanting to start the disney/MS IS great and every else sucks.

Time travel and Sentinles In DOFP are hardly too rooted In realism.