Should they make another Punisher movie? - Part 2

[Radioactive1980]

^But Tom Jane was the best so far, if he was given the right script/director, he could execute a great Punisher film.

 

[ChickenScratch]

death sentence is a better punisher movie than the 3 punisher movies lol

It was a great Punisher film. Didnt like the ending though. But in that case, there have been a ton of way better Punisher films. Like the Death Wish series.

 

[jonathancrane]

After watching Dirty Laundry, I had my belief that another film should be made confirmed. The studio needs to find the right creative team.

Offtopic, yeah, it is my 1,000th post!

 

[DaveMoral]

I'm all for HBO, Showtime or Starz doing a Punisher War Journal series.

 

[citizenpain]

marvel might be hesitant to put out another punisher film after the last two films pretty much failed. especially war zone. that bombed so hard. i really would love to know what marvel thought of dirty laundry. tom jane is clearly so dedicated to the character, if they just found the right writer and director for the type of film that the punisher should be, i think they could finally have a successful punisher flick.

on the other hand, as DaveMoral said, i wouldn't mind seeing a punisher series on tv. that would actually be just as awesome as another film and seeing as how the films have failed, it might be the better and more sensible option. marvel has been trying to venture out into the tv market so this would make perfect sense.

 

[Shockdingo]

What I'm curious about is what the Marvel Suits mean a bit ago when they said they had plans for Frank? This was after acquiring the rights back, but I wanna know if it was just that tv series pilot they had in mind, or if they were/are hoping to do more? Like a concrete idea rather than some vague, "maybe someday".

 

[S. Grundy]

Pretty sure a TV show was what they had in mind, but since that got nixed who knows what they plan to do with the character.

 

[Thundarr]

^But Tom Jane was the best so far, if he was given the right script/director, he could execute a great Punisher film.

I'd agree with that!

 

[deadshot daquir]

a hero that has no powers is more believable and relatable. I jane was great as punisher. movies with lots of guns do ok .... rambo, expendables

problem could be political .... with all those gun debates

i heard they're reworking that gangster squad shootout scene

i think that may be the biggest obstacle for the new punisher film

 

[Picard Sisko]

a hero that has no powers is more believable and relatable. I jane was great as punisher. movies with lots of guns do ok .... rambo, expendables

problem could be political .... with all those gun debates

i heard they're reworking that gangster squad shootout scene

i think that may be the biggest obstacle for the new punisher film

Just because a hero has no powers doesn't mean he is more relatable. Spider-Man has powers, but I personally can relate to him more than Batman or the Punisher. It all depends on how the story is written.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Punisher '04 is miles ahead Warzone. I loved Thomas Jane as Frank Castle. Shame it never got a sequel.

 

[Baramos]

I feel like the only person who loved Punisher War Zone far more than the Thomas Jane one.

Nope, you're not. I thought it was absolutely aces. Funniest movie I've seen in years and exactly what should be done with the Punisher.

I suppose any new movie will attempt to combine the staid noir of the 2004 movie with the over-the-top superviolence/satire of War Zone. I'd at least hope for an R rating, though, both were rated R. What's the point if they're PG-13, honestly? You'll still get the adults and teenagers (no teenager over 15 really has trouble getting into an R-rated movie)--why would you want to bring a 12 year old to a Punisher movie, anyway? It reminds me of all the annoying kids at the Watchmen viewing I saw.

 

[Thundarr]

Nope, you're not. I thought it was absolutely aces. Funniest movie I've seen in years and exactly what should be done with the Punisher.

I suppose any new movie will attempt to combine the staid noir of the 2004 movie with the over-the-top superviolence/satire of War Zone. I'd at least hope for an R rating, though, both were rated R. What's the point if they're PG-13, honestly? You'll still get the adults and teenagers (no teenager over 15 really has trouble getting into an R-rated movie)--why would you want to bring a 12 year old to a Punisher movie, anyway? It reminds me of all the annoying kids at the Watchmen viewing I saw.

I wouldn't go so far as to say War Zone is aces, but it is highly underrated in my book. I personally found it quite enjoyable. Was it the best representation of The Punisher? No. But it was hardly the worst either. I thought the actor who portrayed Frank in that movie did a damn fine job. It had its drawbacks, but it was still pretty good.

Punisher '04 isn't as good as everyone says it is either. It was okay, and I enjoyed it for what it was, but it's hardly the "be all & end all" of Punisher films that others make it out to be. Tom Jane did an admirable job in the role of Frank. No better than Stevens, no worse.

The ultimate Punisher film would be one that takes the best elements of BOTH films and blend them into one script. Then the studio has to be wise enough to just make the movie as it is written, not just try and please this, that, or the other demographic. But that's just my opinion. Of course, as Jesse Ventura was once so fond of saying, mine is the only one that counts.

 

[Balthus Dire]

I agree that if you combined certain elements of both films you'd have a winner.

Or, more accurately, you'd have Dirty Laundry.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I'd watch this as a series on a channel like HBO or Showtime. This is exactly how Punisher should be. More, please.

This is quite long, but I believe it is worth a quick read.


As a basic concept I think the punisher works. Braveheart, Gladiator, and countless others follow this format.

The thing we need to realize is that this is not deathwish, and frank castle is not your average man put into an extreme circumstance. Frank castle is the knight in shining armor. When he comes home from his crusade tragedy strikes.

I would like to have modern day scenes take place in a similar fashion to dirty laundry and then have flashback scenes take place in black and white reveal the true nature of castles new war and his motivations behind it.

In a show format this would fit best but it could work easily in a movie as well. Some of the first flashbacks are of castle in a war(gulf war preferably, possibly a marine scout sniper or navy seal), but they progressively switch to him coming home and being with his family all leading up to the finale where they are shot and killed. The scenes in the present would involve frank slowly hunting down his family's killers, one by one.

Also I would love to see Shield agents in hot pursuit. Bring in agent coulson and nick fury(of course it would have to be pre avengers). Have castle on the run being pursued relentlessly(coulson would take on his role of a funny thing happened on the way to Thors hammer). I think it would also be excellent to have castle be a former shield operative(the person they called when they needed someone taken out).

But the finale episode or the climax of the movie would play out like this. Show the final flashback(castles family dying). Have him take out the finale murderer, and then have him arrested by shield at the very end(preferably either at his families grave site or at the scene of the murder).

Think heat, mixed with the old punmax, add in a great badguy who has many sides and is not just your run of the mill pure evil. I think it would make for a rather successful story and set up sequels/ possible ultimate marvel storyline(punisher working for shield).

 

[Thundarr]

This is quite long, but I believe it is worth a quick read.


As a basic concept I think the punisher works. Braveheart, Gladiator, and countless others follow this format.

The thing we need to realize is that this is not deathwish, and frank castle is not your average man put into an extreme circumstance. Frank castle is the knight in shining armor. When he comes home from his crusade tragedy strikes.

I would like to have modern day scenes take place in a similar fashion to dirty laundry and then have flashback scenes take place in black and white reveal the true nature of castles new war and his motivations behind it.

In a show format this would fit best but it could work easily in a movie as well. Some of the first flashbacks are of castle in a war(gulf war preferably, possibly a marine scout sniper or navy seal), but they progressively switch to him coming home and being with his family all leading up to the finale where they are shot and killed. The scenes in the present would involve frank slowly hunting down his family's killers, one by one.

Also I would love to see Shield agents in hot pursuit. Bring in agent coulson and nick fury(of course it would have to be pre avengers). Have castle on the run being pursued relentlessly(coulson would take on his role of a funny thing happened on the way to Thors hammer). I think it would also be excellent to have castle be a former shield operative(the person they called when they needed someone taken out).

But the finale episode or the climax of the movie would play out like this. Show the final flashback(castles family dying). Have him take out the finale murderer, and then have him arrested by shield at the very end(preferably either at his families grave site or at the scene of the murder).

Think heat, mixed with the old punmax, add in a great badguy who has many sides and is not just your run of the mill pure evil. I think it would make for a rather successful story and set up sequels/ possible ultimate marvel storyline(punisher working for shield).

Not sure how I feel about the S.H.I.E.L.D. angle, but other than that I like it. It works as either a weekly TV show or a major motion picture.

 

[grout]

Thank God we got the Punisher back on here...

I liked both films, I thought PWZ carried more of the correct Punisher vibe and Ray Stephenson looked like he jumped right out of the comic to me. I dont really have a biased toward either movie. I would like to see Jane come back and after seeing the dirty laundry short.. oh man it was epic.

Hey anyone else find this a little odd?

Jonathan Hensleigh directed Jane in the Punisher but did not return for the sequel + Jane eventually dropping out. Then they scratch the sequel for a reboot and if I remember right Jane had a few choice words for it. Ray Stephenson does PWZ,,,, but in the end the orginal (Hensleigh) director ends up casting Stevenson for the lead roll in his latest movie called "kill the irishman".

I dont know just was kind of ironic to me.

 

[ChickenScratch]

What's wrong with John directing Kill The Irishman with Ray? John left PWZ way early on, before even Jane did. He had no connection with Ray's casting.

Two different projects altogether.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Not sure how I feel about the S.H.I.E.L.D. angle, but other than that I like it. It works as either a weekly TV show or a major motion picture.

I like the idea of someone hunting the punisher.

I forgot to mention this, but I think at the end of a film in which castle is caught he would need counsel.

What if at the end when frank is finally captured, his attorney turns out to be Matt Murdock(daredevil).

I think it is a great way to set up a marvel knights franchise. shield should very much be a part of the knights brand, and the agents would be more akin to Jason Bourne than James bond.

 

[grout]

What's wrong with John directing Kill The Irishman with Ray? John left PWZ way early on, before even Jane did. He had no connection with Ray's casting.

Two different projects altogether.

Trust me I know they are two different projects. I feel like jonathan and janes baby was taken away. It just was a little ironic that jonathan would cast the guy that stepped into the rebooted role of the punisher. No big deal or anything just seems like it would be a little odd. I liked "irishman", Jonathan and Jane didnt leave because they didnt want to do a sequal. I would just think in knowing that it would be a little bit of a sore subject.

 

[Kable24]

Anybody think with a SHIELD tv show being prepped at ABC, that we may get to see some of the street level heroes like the Punisher? If they do go the route and say introduce the Punisher, my only concern is that Whedon has made it clear he does not like the character.

 

[Balthus Dire]

That would be neat, but I would be surprised if he shows up there. I expect to see less mainstream guys like Moon Knight or Doctor Strange or Luke Cage in order to set up prospective movies for them, whereas Punisher doesn't really need that type of exposure.

But, it seems like literally any character in the Marvel Studios domain is possible, so who knows?

 

[metaphysician]

I could see him showing up, if Marvel figures there's no reasonably prospect of using him on his own any time soon. Which, honestly, is probably true, given the financial failure of the past two attempts. And who knows, maybe as a recurring character on SHIELD, he might finally build a useful fanbase.

 

[grout]

I could see him showing up, if Marvel figures there's no reasonably prospect of using him on his own any time soon. Which, honestly, is probably true, given the financial failure of the past two attempts. And who knows, maybe as a recurring character on SHIELD, he might finally build a useful fanbase.

Please explain the financial faliure of 2004 Punisher? It broke even, then ram sacked DVD sales. Thats why they were going to make another. PWZ was a reboot, the general movie goer didnt get it, i remember a radio show talking about the movies coming out that weekend and still advertised PWZ as punisher 2. It was just all weird. I really think had Jane come back with Jonathan it would have started moving for the big money. It got a big following from DVD sales, then when the average guy sees a preview for PWZ it probably didnt make sense. If Jane and Jonathan came back PWZ could just be a one off they could keep it going, I think people will remember Jane and the 2004 Punisher.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I wouldn't go so far as to say War Zone is aces, but it is highly underrated in my book. I personally found it quite enjoyable. Was it the best representation of The Punisher? No. But it was hardly the worst either. I thought the actor who portrayed Frank in that movie did a damn fine job. It had its drawbacks, but it was still pretty good.

Punisher '04 isn't as good as everyone says it is either. It was okay, and I enjoyed it for what it was, but it's hardly the "be all & end all" of Punisher films that others make it out to be. Tom Jane did an admirable job in the role of Frank. No better than Stevens, no worse.

The ultimate Punisher film would be one that takes the best elements of BOTH films and blend them into one script. Then the studio has to be wise enough to just make the movie as it is written, not just try and please this, that, or the other demographic. But that's just my opinion. Of course, as Jesse Ventura was once so fond of saying, mine is the only one that counts.

I'll be honest I havent heard anyone ever say Punisher '04 was the be all and end all of Punisher movies, just that it is the best of the 3 we have had so far, which IMO, from both a movie and an adaptation point of view, it was.