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BvS Skepticism Regarding the Film - Part 8

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I enjoyed Watchmen without having read the book.

As did the overwhelming majority of people who enjoyed the film. Comic books are not widely read at all.
 
Dawn Of The Dead, 300, Watchmen all respected movies and made okay to great profit compared to their budget. Sucker Punch and the one with owls not.

If Zack isn't qualified to such movie than who is? 300 & Watchmen should make him one of the top directors in possible comic book movie directors list and his resume did.

Being a successful director in commercial world is more difficult and requires more talent than being a good movie director or series director generally. So it matters. Zack has 2 of most prestigious award in commercial business.

Whole discussion reminds me people questioning Bale's acting abilities just because they don't like his take on Batman.

WB lost tens of millions on Watchmen (and Troy was very profitable btw).
 
It outgrossed the budget by ~40%.

There is a lot of uncertainty and fudging with these numbers so you can't definitely say that it was a flop.

Clearly you know nothing about box office. Studios usually receive 55% of DOM total and 40-45% of OS total. Watchmen production budet was 130M and they definitely spent another 80-120M on marketing plus distribution.
 
So, the latest trailer was the first one I had actually seen in theaters. I thought it was their best one so far, but interestingly, the audience was in complete silence during it.
 
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I really, really hope that this concept art is indicative of JL Pt.1 because, man, Superman dying at the end of BvS would be the ultimate downer note to end on. To not have him be an active part of forming the league would kill my hype for the DCEU.
 
WB lost tens of millions on Watchmen (and Troy was very profitable btw).

That's because it was a 2 and 1/2 hour R-rated film. Not because its bad. Though, many would have you believe it is.
 
I really, really hope that this concept art is indicative of JL Pt.1 because, man, Superman dying at the end of BvS would be the ultimate downer note to end on. To not have him be an active part of forming the league would kill my hype for the DCEU.

I really hope so too.

One reason I am skeptical about Snyder is despite supposedly being a huge Superman fan it seems over the past year he changed to a huge Batman fan. Which is OK just as long as he gave Superman/Clark real character development in BvS.

He was on Hall of J podcast recently denying he had changed Superman. The other films did but not MOS. That is silly, all the films changed Superman in some way from the comics. Its like he does not get Superman.

He several times started saying Batman this or that and had to correct himself. He meant Superman. Indicative of where his mind is at?

To do this at the start of the DCEU would immediately put Superman fans off to the DCEU and some non-Superman fans as well

Hope that he gets it would be a diss to fans. No need to go there but with Snyder who knows. Having the final trailer in which Superman/Clark did not utter a single word could be seen as a diss. Or that he just not get Superman and what he is doing with/to Superman.
 
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I'm surprised not many people are talking about Batman/Alfred blowing up the trucks outside the warehouse. From the teaser trailer it wasn't quite clear what was going on (could have been hijacked or something) but now it's pretty clear that it was Alfred or Batman.

I'm really hoping they give some kind of explanation for that because it would be totally uncharacteristic. Based on everything else so far it looks like Snyder is sticking close to the comics so I doubt he'd turn Batman into the Burton version, but I'm definitely curious as to what is going on in that scene.
 
So, the latest trailer was the first one I had actually seen in theaters. I thought it was their best one so far, but interestingly, the audience was in complete silence during it.

I don't mean to be a dick here, but I've been to a lot of movies in my life and a lot of trailers don't get a big reaction from the audience. Yet it's only with BVS that I ever see comments like this. I mean, I saw the Civil War trailer in a theater a little while ago, and I don't remember hearing cheers from the audience or anything. Does that mean it's bad or that people aren't interested in seeing it?
 
I will also say that a DP trailer shown didn't have much reaction either and that's doing pretty well.


Civil War trailer though always gets reactions.
 
Heavens knows why....

It's a pretty bland trailer, all things considered...

Just in my personal opinion, of course.

EDIT - The Civil War trailer, I mean.
 
The theater I watch DP where BvS trailer showed got people clapping and people saying wow, yes, that was amazing...
 
I don't mean to be a dick here, but I've been to a lot of movies in my life and a lot of trailers don't get a big reaction from the audience. Yet it's only with BVS that I ever see comments like this. I mean, I saw the Civil War trailer in a theater a little while ago, and I don't remember hearing cheers from the audience or anything. Does that mean it's bad or that people aren't interested in seeing it?

I just thought it was interesting this trailer got no reaction since I thought it was the best one particularly since I was watching it in a theater full of undergrad kids.
 
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I really hope so too.

One reason I am skeptical about Snyder is despite supposedly being a huge Superman fan it seems over the past year he changed to a huge Batman fan. Which is OK just as long as he gave Superman/Clark real character development in BvS.

He was on Hall of J podcast recently denying he had changed Superman. The other films did but not MOS. That is silly, all the films changed Superman in some way from the comics. Its like he does not get Superman.

He several times started saying Batman this or that and had to correct himself. He meant Superman. Indicative of where his mind is at?

To do this at the start of the DCEU would immediately put Superman fans off to the DCEU and some non-Superman fans as well

Hope that he gets it would be a diss to fans. No need to go there but with Snyder who knows. Having the final trailer in which Superman/Clark did not utter a single word could be seen as a diss. Or that he just not get Superman and what he is doing with/to Superman.

Even though I'm a big Zack Snyder fan, I can TOTALLY picture Snyder trying to be "avante garde" by having a shocking ending with Superman dying and have his death be the inspiration for the JL. And honestly, it's not a bad idea in theory, it just way to early to kill him off. And having Supes die in a film thats being HEAVILY marketed as the first union of DC's most famous icons would deflate a lot of hype. People want to see Bats, Supes and WW standing side by side by the time the credits roll with triumphant Zimmer/ Junkie XL music playing in the background. That kind of ending will leave people HYPED and ensure repeat viewings by the GA.

But, again, you can tell Snyder's not your typical Hollywood director and I think he may try to force a controversial ending in there.
 
Even though I'm a big Zack Snyder fan, I can TOTALLY picture Snyder trying to be "avante garde" by having a shocking ending with Superman dying and have his death be the inspiration for the JL. And honestly, it's not a bad idea in theory, it just way to early to kill him off. And having Supes die in a film thats being HEAVILY marketed as the first union of DC's most famous icons would deflate a lot of hype. People want to see Bats, Supes and WW standing side by side by the time the credits roll with triumphant Zimmer/ Junkie XL music playing in the background. That kind of ending will leave people HYPED and ensure repeat viewings by the GA.

But, again, you can tell Snyder's not your typical Hollywood director and I think he may try to force a controversial ending in there.

This whole Superman dying rumor needs to die already. They aren't going to kill him off two movies in. I mean they have shown him all over the JL art. One little scene with Martha Kent dropping a coffee pot has gotten people worrying. If anyone dies in the movie I could see it being her. That scene in the diner Eisenberg shot a scene there as Lex so I am sure it has something to do with him and her.
 
I mean...would it really matter if Superman died?

Like really who cares we all know he wont stay dead long so if they kill him off 2 movies in or not it doesn't really matter.

The only ones who might get shocked are kids.
 
Even though I'm a big Zack Snyder fan, I can TOTALLY picture Snyder trying to be "avante garde" by having a shocking ending with Superman dying and have his death be the inspiration for the JL. And honestly, it's not a bad idea in theory, it just way to early to kill him off. And having Supes die in a film thats being HEAVILY marketed as the first union of DC's most famous icons would deflate a lot of hype. People want to see Bats, Supes and WW standing side by side by the time the credits roll with triumphant Zimmer/ Junkie XL music playing in the background. That kind of ending will leave people HYPED and ensure repeat viewings by the GA.

But, again, you can tell Snyder's not your typical Hollywood director and I think he may try to force a controversial ending in there.

Its not a bad idea down the line. Maybe after JL2.

How they bring him back should be a major plot of that film.

It can't be a major plot of JL1 as the focus will be introducing the new team members.

To just have him reappear in JL1 with no explanation would be poor storytelling.
 
A good portion of the posts from the past couple of pages in this thread are utterly embarrassing, in my opinion.

Look, being a Superman fan, of course I wish that he had a greater role in the marketing of this film so far. And yet, I completely understand why that hasn't been the case.

Look, Henry Cavill's Superman doesn't need to be sold to the public. The public are already well aware him through the financially successful Man of Steel. In a sense, that film works as a marketing tool for Cavill's Superman in BvS. It's important to understand that. Because Cavill's Superman needs no introduction, he isn't going to receive the majority or even equal marketing in this film.

Affleck's Batman, however, needs a lot of marketing. It may seem like so long ago now, but have we forgotten the backlash that the Affleck casting recieved? WB needed to emphasize the greatness of Battfleck to sell him to the audience, and that results into him taking more of the attention than Superman.

Furthermore, Affleck is a bigger celebrity than Henry Cavill. Every company is going to sell the more familiar product to the public than the less known public. In this case, it means that Affleck works a bigger attraction than Cavill, because of his popularity. I certainly don't want Affleck to become the Hugh Jackman or RDJ of the DCEU, however, the reason why Wolverine and Iron Man play far larger roles in their respective universes is because they happened to be played by the bigger celebrities.

Moreover, as popular as Superman is, Batman is simply the better cinematic draw right now. I'm convinced that just as Superman's animated films were outselling the Batman animated films, so too would Superman outsell Batman films had things been done well years ago. Nevertheless, After the TDK trilogy and the success of the Arkham videogames, Batman is a bigger draw than Superman at the box-office. WB would be stupid to not take advantage of that.

As for the notion that Superman is going to die in this film, lol, come on, guys. That's simply not happening. I won't even waste my time trying to explain why because it's really that simple. It's lazy fanboy assumptions to think that Superman is going to die just because Doomsday is in the film.

Lastly, Superman is going to lead the Justice League--with Batman. And that's the right way to go about it. Look, WB seems to know what they're doing, and I like it. On what planet would the character whom all involved have been crediting as the beacon for all superbeings to come out of the shadows be relegated to second fiddle? Seriously?

Inasmuch as Batman has been headlining the marketing aspect of the film, Superman is headlining the plot of the film. The very existence and character of Superman is the very reason for the production of this film. Have we forgotten that a Superman film is the very first film of the DCEU? Superman is going to lead the Justice League with Batman as his equal. And that works brilliantly. They are two sides of the same coin; man and god working together to stop villainous men and villainous gods.


I'm confident that Superman will be portrayed well in this film. I trust Terrio. Let's not forget that Superman's being and character is the driving force of this film, his villains have primary roles in this film, and his girlfriend and mother supposedly have large roles in this film too.

There's simply no way Superman won't AT LEAST have equal time and respect given to him considering those factors. I'm excited about that they're doing with Superman, even if some trolls on this board want us to join in on their misery.
 
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Supes "dying" in BvS isn't a problem for me. Sets up him saving everyone's asses at the last act of JL1 after flying up into the sun for a recharge.

I'm thinking something like this.

https://youtu.be/T81Q_U4Qe7s

Its a problem because of what you mention. Him returning in the last act. So he sits out most of JL1? Just off-screen. Gone? A small role it would be no matter how glorious a return you envision.

Given Supes won't be on screen again after JL for 2 years I want him to get significant screen time in JL1.
 
Its a problem because of what you mention. Him returning in the last act. So he sits out most of JL1? Just off-screen. Gone? A small role it would be no matter how glorious a return you envision.

Not necessarily. I actually think such a circumstance would be a good way to make Lois a big part of the story. Have her "narrate" the story and delve into Superman/Clark's importance and inspiration to these heroes through flashbacks while she's writing about the greatest story ever told.
 
I really hope we're not sliding back into days...where people came into the "Skepticism" thread just to ***** about the skeptcism thread.
 
Not necessarily. I actually think such a circumstance would be a good way to make Lois a big part of the story. Have her "narrate" the story and delve into Superman/Clark's importance and inspiration to these heroes through flashbacks while she's writing about the greatest story ever told.

This is better as flashbacks mean Superman/Clark would appear throughout the film and not just return at the end.

I'd think done right there would have to be a Fortress/body missing component too. An arc where we see him in statis in the Fortress. Things going on around him.

But see how all that will take screen time to be done right.
 
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