TDKR will always remain the low point of the series for me. I found the entire thing pretty conventional. While Batman begins and maybe even TDK had some conventionality to them, Begins offered me a darker Batman movie then I had seen before, and for that, I'm grateful to Nolan.
Exactly. BB and TDK went somewhere, and offered something new. Rises just washed, rinsed, and repeated several of the plot furniture points used by Begins.
I highly disagree. The "emitter" in BB was just a way to have the doomsday weapon without calling it a bomb. It existed solely for Batman to stop from going off in the Third Act. Yes, Batman had to stop the "bomb" from going off in the Third Act of TDKR, but it was used that way to create a reason for Bane to take over the city.
Yeah, and it was used as a device for Ra's to come and attack Gotham. Same thing just one was not dwelled upon having Gordon and other characters spending half the movie running around like headless chickens trying to find it, while the other was in that way and was used to drag out a siege that went nowhere except allowed Bruce to recover and come back as Batman.
You say it allowed the movie to go somewhere. It didn't allow the movie to go anywhere except set up a stage for an action climax of find the bomb and chase the bomb.
Bane's plan was to reflect what a military coup might look like in American culture and the bomb was the plot device to allow Nolan to explore that. He shows great inequality in Gotham--as we see right now in America--and introduces a villain who preys on that inequality to feed his own agenda. It raises some interesting ideas and the bomb allows Nolan "to go there."
I know why it was it done. But intention and execution are two different things. What did it show except poor desperate people will take from rich people, and murderers, thieves and rapists broken out of jail will join in with the man holding the city hostage?
Didn't need a bomb to show that. Which is really obvious, too.
The bomb in BB is just a bomb that needs to be stopped. It is also why I think the Third Act is by far the weakest section of BB because it becomes so conventional at that point.
The bomb in TDKR was just a bomb that needs to be stopped, too. Same plot, different ending.
That's the point. It was more than a doomsday device. Unlike SM2, BB, the Death Star and whatever else you want to compare it to, the bomb in TDKR was there to allow the story to go in a direction we have never seen in this genre or really in any mainstream Hollywood film. It allowed them to go to a new place, even if they had to rely on a convention that was used in BB. But unlike the first film, it did not follow the formula of that convention.
No, that's your point, not mine. I say again Raimi handled it better than both Nolan and Donner did, because Doc Ock's fusion reactor was never intended to be a lethal device by the villain. It was a physical manifestation of Ock's life's dream, and served as a parallel to Peter Parker's arc. Peter was being irresponsible by giving up being Spider-Man so he could live his dream of a normal life, and Ock was being irresponsible by doing evil things to make his dream happen. In the end they both take responsibility and give up their dreams to do the right thing.
The fusion reactor did not even become a threat until the end when Ock rebuilt it, much like how the microwave emitter didn't become a threat until the finale either. Whereas Gotham was living under 5 months of the threat of a ticking time bomb dragged out to the hilt. TDKR milked the city being under threat of it for that long just to give Bruce the time to recover in the pit and escape and make a big comeback. That's all. Another Batman busting his hump to stop another lethal Wayne Enterprises device an Al Ghul in disguise is using to destroy Gotham.
Where did TDKR's bomb plot allow the story to go except show that when a terrorist takes over the city, the good people will just hide like sheep, the criminals will join in the mayhem, and the poor and desperate will take what they can get.
Again we didn't need a 5 month bomb threat to show that. All TDKR did was use a cliche device to drag out a villain take over. But the end result was the same. Batman must stop villain from destroying Gotham after the villain spent 5 months letting poor people take from rich people, let criminals run around free, while the decent people stayed frightened and hidden in their homes. I don't see this as any kind of brilliant new ground.