The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 4

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That's something I was scratching my head with. So did he fix all of the autopilots in all of The Bats? And also, why didn't Bane take any of the extra Bats?:huh:

i believe they were examining the software as opposed to the actual bat

the only plot hole i saw after three iewings this weekend was Wayne/Batman knowing what Selina wanted... Selina didn't say it in any scene they were together other than i sold his fingerprints for something that doesn't exist.

maybe batman overheard her when talking to Dagget on the scene where they fight together for the first time, but i didn't hear it.

My one question: What was the signifiance of Wayne touching Miranda Tate's scar when they slept together, was that a league of shadows symbol that had wayne seen it he would of put it together?
 
have we discussed how talia/bane found the secret bunker that only lucius and bruce knew about? lucius specifically said it didn't exist and no one else knew about it, so how did they find the other tumblers and weapons/gadgets?

sorry if it's been answered already. i went back a few pages and didn't see anything.
 
I was worried that The Amazing Spiderman being released so close to the release of Dark Knight Rises would take away its shine, but apparently it hit it out of the park anyway. :hrt:

I went to see both & enjoyed both so I'm very happy right now, I'm happier than pig in **** with all these superhero films that have come out this year. :up:

I'll be also buying all 3 major superhero films on DVD when they hit to hold me over until Man Of Steel is released next year.
 
i believe they were examining the software as opposed to the actual bat

If you look when Fox is showing Bruce the Bat for the first time there is a second version to Fox's right(Screen Left), when the camera changes from the directly in front shot that is used the entire scene you can see it. Not sure if it's a second version of the bat or maybe a simulator type thing but that is what the techs are going over at the end of the film.
 
Also, was there a scene where Selina Kyle gets enwrapped with Bane, that she felt threatened enough to have to betray Batman to save her life? Or did she give him up for some other reason? Just seems like she spent the whole beginning part of the movie trying to prove to everyone that she wasn't afraid of any man, only to turn around and succumb to the will of one.

After Selina sells Bruce's fingerprints to Dagget, Dagget's men try to kill her because they didn't want any loose ends. Bane was "working" for Dagget at the time and Selina was deathly afraid that Dagget would send Bane and his thugs after her to kill her. The way I understood her betrayal of Batman was that she made a deal with Bane to hand Batman over in exchange for being allowed to live.
 
Anyone else notice and even like on how most of the cops seemed to be scared and intimidated by Batman when he first appeared as they were chasing after him? It seemed like everyone was too afraid to really shoot at him, heck look at how that one rookie reacted in the beginning.lol
 
Anyone else notice and even like on how most of the cops seemed to be scared and intimidated by Batman when he first appeared as they were chasing after him? It seemed like everyone was too afraid to really shoot at him, heck look at how that one rookie reacted in the beginning.lol
Heheh yes. That scene got a good laugh in my screening, much similar to when Catwoman disappears on Batman. :up:
 
1. Bane and Talia's plan is to watch Gotham tear itself apart. Bane says he wants to give the people hope (letting them live as the bomb's reactor slowly decays) and Talia wants to finish her father's plans (which if you recall from BB was to turn Gotham on itself using chemically induced fear). They could've blown the bomb when they first saw Batman return to Gotham but I'm guessing Bane wanted to defeat Batman and crush any hope Gotham still had for a return to normalcy. As for Talia not blowing the bomb, I think it's likely she was either unaware of Batman's return until it was too late and Batman had taken out the detonator device, making it impossible for her to detonate it.

2. This is a fundamental part of the movie. Yes, the street criminals were gone, in exchange for that safety the corruption that once plagued the streets now plagued the city's laws (The Dent Act locked people away with no parole and stripped criminals of their rights). The truth is that Batman did not save Gotham in BB, he only pushed them toward a new type of corruption, one more deeply entrenched in society (which went on to produce the Joker in TDK). The point of the attack is to take down the corrupt city which has sacrificed its core values of freedom in exchange for security from crime. The act is driven by Talia motivation to avenge and complete her father's mission, but the reason for it is the same Ra's in BB -- to destroy the corruption that was eating away at Gotham.

3. You need to make a better definition of the word criminal and what it means to be a member of the LoS. The LoS IS in fact a criminal organization, they want to commit mass murder. Also, are you referring to the criminals being released from Gotham's prison, because if so, those criminals were definitely not a part of the LoS, they were part of a plot to have Gothamites turn on themselves, forcing them to live in fear of both the bomb and the people they share their city with.

4. He finds the cave because Batman cannot die, Batman is more than a man, Batman is legend. Bruce Wayne can fake his death, but Batman cannot. JGL finds the cave because Bruce knows that thinking you've won and defeated corruption is the only window corruption needs to slip back into society. He knows that corruption isn't gone, it will simply change, and that when it becomes too much for the city to handle on it's own it will need a new Dark Knight to rise up and take Batman's place. Whether he uses the alias Robin, Batman, Nightwing or something else entirely doesn't matter (that's for fan-fics to decide on their own).

Also, he finds the cave using coordinates and gear that Bruce left him in large black bag. I love how JGL following the coordinates and repelling into the cave mirrors the scene where Bruce climbs down the well and finds the cave the first time himself.

5. They could have made their own bomb. But what is central to Bane/Talia's plane is that Gotham destroys itself. Not only that, it was a fusion bomb which is newer, much larger and destructive technology. Also, they needed a bomb that could only be disarmed by one person (Dr. Pavel).


Everything you're saying is making sense except for number 2. What rights according to the league of shadows to criminals hold? in batman begins they were executing criminals left and right, actually murdering them. (unless i'm remembering it wrong? it's been a while since i've seen the movie)

I also felt that Bane's whole speech on freedom and giving the power to the people was extremely sarcastic but i think we agree on that since you said yourself their intent was to give people fake hope before crushing them.

They took over gotham before knowing that the dent act was based on a lie though so they planned to destroy gotham before being aware of that level of corruption.

What i'm trying to say is that it made some sort of sense for Ra Al Ghul to want to destroy Gotham when it was being run by gangsters but with crime to an extreme low it made less sense to me but I guess the revenge aspect of it was still present anyway.
 
It wasn't. I watched closely during my second viewing and the majority of shots were going off near the truck's tires and front bumper. To me, I see that as an indication that Bruce was aiming very carefully for the truck's tires. My interpretation is that he was trying to stop the truck without killing Talia and the driver.

But the driver died and there is anything else that could have killed him in that scene.
 
Lol I just have one issue with the ending... Is Batman really alive??? Or was Alfred simply fantasying as he did in the beginning?? Because Alfred just smiles a little but then you see that look of despair on his face as he gets up from the seat...

Because you also have to remember Bats had to get the bomb 6 miles away from the city, meaning in order for him to survive he would have to be 6 miles away as well...

So was it simply Alfred just imagining that scene as essentially he failed Bruce's parents as he puts it, or was it real?
 
One question here.
How did Bane find out the location of the R&D department? I don't think Fox has told that to anyone other than Bruce.
 
One question here.
How did Bane find out the location of the R&D department? I don't think Fox has told that to anyone other than Bruce.
Tatelia probably gave her inside knowledge.
 
How you do think Bane knew that Bruce is Batman? Was it because both men are from the legeau of shadows and in Batman Begins, the LOS knew Bruce was Batman.



After Selina sells Bruce's fingerprints to Dagget, Dagget's men try to kill her because they didn't want any loose ends. Bane was "working" for Dagget at the time and Selina was deathly afraid that Dagget would send Bane and his thugs after her to kill her. The way I understood her betrayal of Batman was that she made a deal with Bane to hand Batman over in exchange for being allowed to live.
Either that or. Selina knew Bane would kill her if she led Batman unannounced to Bane. Bane would like to know when his adversary would turn up, and she would have brought Batman without bane knowing, then Bane would surely kill her. So perhaps she told Bane in advance that she was bringing Batman so Bane was prepared, otherwise he would have killed her if she would lead Batman to him without him knowing it.
 
Heheh yes. That scene got a good laugh in my screening, much similar to when Catwoman disappears on Batman. :up:
Crowd got a good laugh when Bane was choking Batman, and Batman tried to say something in his "bat voice".
 
wojo said:
So why were they holding the city hostage when they were just gonna blow it up anyway?

Hmm, I would like to hear this explained too...
 
Hmm, I would like to hear this explained too...

To give the city false hope. To make them feel as if they could control their own city however they wish.

Thats what made the Bane Harvey Dent exposure scene so great. He was leading the entire city on, and you could tell he was having fun doing it. It's rather ironic that he destroyed a false hope, and replaced it with another.
 
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To give the city false hope. To make them feel as if they could control their own city however they wish.

Thats what made the Bane Harvey Dent exposure scene so great. He was leading the entire city on, and you could tell he was having fun doing it. It's rather ironic that he destroyed a false hope, and replaced it with another.
It was great that Gordon and Blake wanted Gordon on tv to tell them about Bane, and then Bane is quicker then them and exposes Gordon as Gotham's traitor. An gone was Gordon's credibility. :-) Great timing.
 
It was great that Gordon and Blake wanted Gordon on tv to tell them about Bane, and then Bane is quicker then them and exposes Gordon as Gotham's traitor. An gone was Gordon's credibility. :-) Great timing.

That whole scenario gave Gordon his best scene. Gary did his best work when he was talking to Blake in that scene.
 
That whole scenario gave Gordon his best scene. Gary did his best work when he was talking to Blake in that scene.
I could hardly understand a single word from Gordon's mouth in that scene, but his acting looked good.
 
Why does Bruce still use 'the bat voice' when he is talking to people who know Bruce is in the costume?

Batman - [GROWL] Remember, the mask is to protect the people you care about [/GROWL]

Blake - 'Hey Bruce, I know it's you

Batman - *cough* 'Sorry, force of habit...'
 
What was the real deal with ras return? It's made to seem like a hallucination but doesn't wayne actually get information he didn't previously know from ras? so...was it a hallucination or not?
 
Why does Bruce still use 'the bat voice' when he is talking to people who know Bruce is in the costume?

Batman - [GROWL] Remember, the mask is to protect the people you care about [/GROWL]

Blake - 'Hey Bruce, I know it's you

Batman - *cough* 'Sorry, force of habit...'
He probably does it to stay on the safe side. You never know who's watching.
 
What was the real deal with ras return? It's made to seem like a hallucination but doesn't wayne actually get information he didn't previously know from ras? so...was it a hallucination or not?
Hallucination +1.
 
Hey, just watched the movie and there was something I was a little confused about. Maybe it's been a while since I've watched The Dark Knight, but I don't recall Bruce suffering a concussion and leg injury lethal enough to last him 8 years. Where did he get that from?

I thought it was from the end of The Dark Knight, when he falls off the building after saving Gordon's kid? I watched it again the other day and as the film closes and Batman runs off while Gordon delivers his "watchful protector" speech, it looks like he's limping.

Also, was there a scene where Selina Kyle gets enwrapped with Bane, that she felt threatened enough to have to betray Batman to save her life? Or did she give him up for some other reason? Just seems like she spent the whole beginning part of the movie trying to prove to everyone that she wasn't afraid of any man, only to turn around and succumb to the will of one.

It wasn't so much one man she was enraptured by, it was Bane's plan to 'free' the people of Gotham and make the rich and corrupt responsible for their 'crimes'. Of course, what we the audience know - and what Selina didn't - was that his plan was a lie. Remember, at that stage as far as she was concerned, Batman was a villain also .... he was the guy who supposedly killed Harvey Dent.
 
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