The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 1

[Milk Tray Guy]

Sucks not being excited for your favorite superhero's first feature film

For what it's worth

Judging from the released slate at the panel, it appears like Flashpoint will occur right after the Flash movie, which won't be coming for a few more years by the looks of it.

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1684129/dc-is-making-a-flashpoint-movie-and-were-intrigued

Might mean nothing.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Woo I love flashpoint. It's a great epic story that doubles well as an origin story and it adds tons of layers to Barry.

One of my favourite storylines

 

[Inhuman117]

The Flash Movie is now Flashpoint there won't be 2 Flash Movies

 

[Willi Berg]

I wonder how long "Flashpoint" has been the plan. Was it a recent development to change over to this idea? I wonder how much of the rest of the League are actually involved? Was this part of the Lord and Miller treatment? Or did they go this route after all the unsuccessful attempts by directors to crack the story? (I have so many questions...)

I was looking forward to the simple origin story...I guess they could still do that to a degree. I hope they take time to build up his world, explain his powers, before it jumps to all the time-travel and complicated plots, and involving the rest of the Justice League.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I wonder how long "Flashpoint" has been the plan. Was it a recent development to change over to this idea? I wonder how much of the rest of the League are actually involved? Was this part of the Lord and Miller treatment? Or did they go this route after all the unsuccessful attempts by directors to crack the story? (I have so many questions...)

I was looking forward to the simple origin story...I guess they could still do that to a degree. I hope they take time to build up his world, explain his powers, before it jumps to all the time-travel and complicated plots, and involving the rest of the Justice League.

I love the Flashpoint story, but yeah I agree with you.

 

[Web-Head]

For what it's worth



Might mean nothing.

Nope. It's not Flash and then a couple years later, Flashpoint. We're just getting Flashpoint. Seems a little silly to rush into it

 

[dhandler01]

I think we'll know more post JL how this will be handled. I think that the story should be less "Flash Point" in the sense of sticking to that story and more, like CW, take the basis of the story as a starting point to do it's own thing, while keeping it a Barry centric story.

Yeah I agree. I think Flashpoint is just a title they are using as a means to have a time travel story. It also gives them option to use it for more if they feel they need to.

There is a lot of ways it can go.

And while I love the Flash I am not sure a lot of the great stories would work yet. A lot of the great ones require a lot of backstory and buildup and the ones that dont often involve the Rogues and I am not sure you can do the Rogues and have it work right now.

My uneducated guess is the Knightmare is caused by Flashpoint in some way.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Yeah I agree. I think Flashpoint is just a title they are using as a means to have a time travel story. It also gives them option to use it for more if they feel they need to.

There is a lot of ways it can go.

Yes, it's a useful tool for them. Depending on how JL is received they can either make it a major change or not so much.

 

[Micromind]

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Yeah, I liked that line.

And he's obviously pretty good at it!

 

[Micromind]

 

[Micromind]

Yeah, I liked that line.

And he's obviously pretty good at it!

He did push Boomerang in Suicide Squad too.

 

[The Guard]

If they're trying to connect all the characters to each other with these films. it makes sense that they'd do so using FLASHPOINT, as it affects not only Barry's timeline, but the entire universe and the other heroes as well. And remember, just because it's called or based on Flashpoint, doesn't mean that's all it will be. They're taking elements of various storylines for these films, not adapting them directly. We can expect time travel, but as has been pointed out, this doubles as an origin story and a grand scale adventure. It also serves to connect Diana and Arthur's mythologies in a key way.

 

[Micromind]

If they're trying to connect all the characters to each other, it makes sense that they'd do so using FLASHPOINT, as it affects not only Barry's timeline, but the entire universe and the other heroes as well. And remember, just because it's called or based on Flashpoint, doesn't mean that's all it will be. They're taking elements of various storylines for these films, not adapting them directly. We can expect time travel, but as has been pointed out, this doubles as an origin story and a grand scale adventure.

I would have proffered at least One solo Flash movie before Flashpoint nonsense.

 

[Willi Berg]

Yeah I agree. I think Flashpoint is just a title they are using as a means to have a time travel story. It also gives them option to use it for more if they feel they need to.

There is a lot of ways it can go.

And while I love the Flash I am not sure a lot of the great stories would work yet. A lot of the great ones require a lot of backstory and buildup and the ones that dont often involve the Rogues and I am not sure you can do the Rogues and have it work right now.

My uneducated guess is the Knightmare is caused by Flashpoint in some way.

Yes, it's a useful tool for them. Depending on how JL is received they can either make it a major change or not so much.

I hope the focus does stay on Barry. It would be nice if it is about his regrets about his family and him trying to change it, only to complicate everything further. It could be relatable if it's about a guy trying to change the bad things that have happened in his life, thinking just because he has superpowers he can do that. Rather than it be just an excuse to show alternate versions of the Justice League. Though that could be interesting and clever if done right.

 

[misslane38]

Them going with Flashpoint doesn't necessarily say "we're retconning", but it says "we're going with the biggest Flash story we got straight from the gate"; I've mentioned before why Flashpoint makes sense from a story/character point of view (irresponsibly changing reality because of going back in time for personal reasons sounds more like a rookie mistake than one an experienced Speedster would make), and also it offers something new to the audience instead of yet another "origin" movie.

I know a lot of people wanted a more "low-key", Flash vs the Rogues type of movie (and I thought I wanted that too), but I think if they did that, I'd feel about pretty much the same way I feel about Spiderman: Homecoming; sure, I'm sure it well made and all, but there's nothing about it that I feel is new and exciting enough that I MUST watch it now, ya know?

Just my take.

I agree with you that it works well as an origin story generally speaking.

If it sticks to Barry's point of view and doesn't delve too deeply into the negative consequences to other characters, then it could be a clever way to tell Barry's origin story, his life story really, while still setting it post-JL. Meaning, Flashpoint is essentially a more enhanced version of the email device from Wonder Woman.

I will say, though, that I have zero desire to ever see anything from the Knightmare world and would prefer any Flashpoint movie to be as Flash focused as possible. To me, Barry's warning and Bruce's nightmare were separate things, and only Barry's warning came from the future. Moreover, with a victory in Justice League, whatever bad things had happened in that Barry's world should be a closed time loop that created a better alternate timeline for our characters. If the BvS incident has to be addressed, let it be something Bruce informs Barry of in JL. That way, it will make sense why Barry, in his own later movie, starts to be tempted to travel through time when maybe he hadn't known it was something he could do until Bruce told him a version of him did.

Obviously part of Flashpoint requires Barry to change things only to realize his error and change it back. To recognize it as an error, what he creates has to be so terrible and so wrong that it requires fixing. In Back to the Future 2, Marty doesn't spend a whole lot of time in the darker 1985 timeline. So, my choice would be to have Barry only briefly encounter scenes reminiscent of the dark timeline in the comic. I'd also prefer if the film version tried its best to incorporate Kiersey Clemons' Iris West, and not have Barry simply be a lone time traveler fueled by grief and regret.

As for retcon speculation, I'm not sure how Flashpoint could really accomplish much. For example, if people's criticisms of Snyder's Superman and Batman is that they responded a certain way to certain stimuli, changing the stimuli to produce different results won't change the fact that we know they have the potential to do those things given certain variables are in place. Other changes wouldn't be minor, and as a result, would undermine the logic of the narrative. If, for example, Zod isn't killed. Doomsday never happens, and so on. Changes, then, if any, would have to be minor. Clark Kent can exist again perhaps.

 

[BMCAABY]

I'm really starting to hate how Flashpoint has become the "main" Flash story. It's gotten its own animated movie, a major focus in season 3 of the tv show, now this...

Flash has other stories. Get over Flashpoint, DC.

The CW show had nothing really close to the events of the actual flashpoint story. I want to see that in live action. I want to see a different looking Jason Momoa Aquaman fighting a more different looking Gal Gadot Wonder Woman. I want to see Thomas Wayne Batman and skinny Henry Cavill.

 

[Tg11]

I wonder when the solo film will even come out if it ever does get off the ground

 

[Greenlite]

I guess 2020, Zemekis is available end of next year, and he hasn't said no according to Justin Kroll

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I wonder when the solo film will even come out if it ever does get off the ground

The Flash solo pretty much stands or falls on Justice League. Personally I think people are gonna take to Ezra's Flash in a big way. He's certainly one of the biggest draws as far as my daughter is concerned - and she's never seen Miller in anything else.

 

[storyteller]

What I'm hoping for is at most a Civil War situation but moreso a Spider-man Homecoming situation.

Really this is a chance to tell the Flash Point story as it was originally meant to be. Just a Flash story and not another JL story.

Nix the Aquaman and Wonder Woman bit. Replace them with Flash rogues basically becoming new world super powers.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I can definitely see them paring down the Flashpoint story. I think what we see of it will come from the core story (I'd be surprised if any of the tie-in stuff makes it in), and not all of that. But I think it might be closer to the original than the TV show's interpretation was (as I understand it from what's been said by CW fans - I haven't seen it).

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Flashpoint could be great. I just hope it isn't as dark as the animated film.

In general I think it's a smart move for the movies to go places the show can't. I just wonder what they'll do for a
sequel. Flash in the future? Bart Allen's time?

On a side note, I've always liked the title "Flash: Point of Origin".

 

[DOBSON10]

Sucks not being excited for your favorite superhero's first feature film

The Flash is one of my favorite characters and so far I don't like anything about what they are doing with this character and don't like the casting of Barry or Iris. I also don't like the Flashpoint story in general. So I'm SOL. Won't go into it further because I don't want to be a downer to the rest of you, but yeah... sucks.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

On a side note, I've always liked the title "Flash: Point of Origin".