I Am The Knight
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For me it's ASM > TDKR > Avengers.
Maybe not in terms of their powers but definitely in terms of their introduction to the movie going peopleWell, they're all not definite "origins", so, you should learn that.
Can I say TDKR owns them all?t:
No, but I think TAS-M owns Avengers in certain aspects, as Avengers own TAS-M in certain aspects. Between those two, there isn't a definite "winner".
That is a good point. Batman Begins didn't even gross $400 million world wide. People do not give Amazing Spider-Man enough credit considering all of the summer competition between Avengers and TDKR.
Maybe not in terms of their powers but definitely in terms of their introduction to the movie going people
Nope you cant say that
All 3 are very good movie but none of them are perfect imo
Well if people actually believe TAS-M is leagues better than Avengers, then I would understand if some wouldn't believe TDKR is better, haha.
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I can't tell you're essentially saying your opinion is superior or not..
Nope.Coulsen wasnt even likeable,atleast not as much as Uncle BenThe only thing that may be more meaningless than personal anecdotes is generalised comments about what the majority felt based on personal anecdotes. The fact that the moments are clearly present though prove that the film is constructed no differently than TASM in terms of how it aims to engage the audience.
Sorry but I dont consider the members fighting each others or trash talking as 'Human' moments eitherExcept I've just been picking out odd moments as they occur to me, the ratio of human moments to action beats is far greater than you'd suggest (there are only really four set pieces in a film that's nearly 2 and a half hours).
They are so small that are not even significantFurthermore, these are not scenes designed for showing humanity arbitrarily, they are moments interspersed within every scene, including action scenes, as I illustrated.
Definitely notThe humanity is always at the forefront, just as with TASM.
I understood her character,you dont need to explain it to meThey're also far from 'half hearted', the moments have set up, consistency and pay off. Natasha is sarcastic with a professional smugness in her first scene even when in danger, showing personality and humanity. Then she adopts a cautious, cynical side with evidence of real anxiety in the next, contrast allowing us to appreciate who she is as a person. Loki drags out every atrocity she's committed, throws it in her face but she holds fast (simultaneously giving us an insight into her worldview) and tries to reason and plead with Banner. All this hammers the trauma of her encounter with the Hulk home, through careful writing and planning. The opposite of 'half hearted'.
Thats being shockingly biasedTo be quite honest, the relationship between Natasha and Clint is explored to the same degree as Peter and Gwen's, which is charming but shockingly underdeveloped.
Laughs are great, I know. They also make sense and provide insight into character providing you decide to actually think about what's on the screen. Not only is the awkwardness between two co-workers who have had disagreements wonderfully human but it then shows Hulk to be of an impulsive character, uncomfortable when challenged. He's not an empty construct, he has personality and traits that people have.
Not really,and definitely not as much as TASMNo. Its spectacle is enhanced and justified by the humanity which seeps from every pore of the film.
Raimi's Spider-manThe Avengers is a movie to be enjoyed by kids and adults.Just like Spider-Man.
Barring Dr Connors,Absolutely notIf anything it's an understatement, the characters in the Avengers are more aptly and subtly characterised than those in TASM.
DefinitelyNo matter how you try to contrive differences, the case is Avengers was an origin which succeeded on levels the others didn't.
They may be present here and there but the fact it that they are completely overshadowed by the main elements of the film-Action and HumourIt seems that you chose to ignore most of the heart and emotions you could have related to in The Avengers. As I've said, these things are demonstrably present.
I was only talking about the humour in this pointExplain to me why an intern being dragged out of Oscorp because Peter stole his ID is a moment of genuine humanity while Steve grasping on to a minor reference point as a result of his feelings of isolation, for example doesn't count.
The destroying bathroom scene had two purposesAs you said in an earlier post. You say that scenes like Hulk smashing Loki serve only to get laughs but you ignore similar parts in TASM, Peter destroys his bathroom,
I have no idea what you mean by that sentenceand the fact that the Hulk scene works as a subversion of the relatively trite and worn down tropes of the genre, which TASM play straight.
The Playing cards was a nice touch but as I said,I felt nothing about his characterThe audience was made to care for Coulson. We're also made to care for the characters his death affects and can appreciate the dramatic irony of the emergence of Coulson's playing cards.
He is as flawed as The Lizard imo,even more maybeA lot of what you say regarding Loki is accurate, but his personality is consistent throughout, provides a source of conflict to drive the plot and a thematic parallel to the heroes, which is more than the Lizard does.
Agree to an extentI disagree, the tension as Banner slowly recounts his tale of attempted suicide is incredibly involving, among various other things.
I think the reason is because TAS-M got most of its numbers foreign. Only $241 million so far in domestic where the budget is $230 million.
Iron man 2-YesThat definitely knocks The Incredible Hulk still out of the list then. And Iron Man 2
Neither of them are imoSure, all three were good, but TDKR is a bit better, imo. I mean, when you have a film like Avengers called the best CBM and then TDKR appears and that is now called the best CBM, it tells you something
Its all about opinions... neither of the three films that came out this summer (TA, TASM, or TDKR) are "the best." You can't officially label which movie is the best.
I agree...I obviously think some films are better than "others", but that doesn't mean I enjoy the "others" more.
For example, I think that The Avengers was probably a better film than The Amazing Spider-Man, in my opinion, but I liked TASM better. I'm a bigger Spidey fan, and if I had to pick one or the other, I would pick TASM to watch again. So overall, I give Spidey the edge. It's not necessarily better, but I enjoyed it more.
Ah, well, I think that they're all great comic book films. Also, I'd say that TDKR is closer to the term movie than CBM than TASM, so I have no idea why you labeled TASM as a movie instead of a comic book movie. :/
Whats wrong with foreign earnings?
Iron man 2-Yes
TIH-No,it was still introducing the rebooted Hulk
Neither of them are imo
TDK and SM2 are better
But I have equal amounts of all opinions
TA being the best or TDKR being the best some even prefer TASM from the 3
So,its all about opinions and what you prefer
I agree...I obviously think some films are better than "others", but that doesn't mean I enjoy the "others" more.
For example, I think that The Avengers was probably a better film than The Amazing Spider-Man, in my opinion, but I liked TASM better. I'm a bigger Spidey fan, and if I had to pick one or the other, I would pick TASM to watch again. So overall, I give Spidey the edge. It's not necessarily better, but I enjoyed it more.
Star trek made 257m domestic and 127m overseas.
ASM domestic will pass that total (Trek domestic) in just over a week
Nope.Coulsen wasnt even likeable,atleast not as much as Uncle Ben
Sorry but I dont consider the members fighting each others or trash talking as 'Human' moments either
They are so small that are not even significant
I understood her character,you dont need to explain it to me
Thats being shockingly biased
Natasha/Hawkeye was even more underdeveloped than say Peter/MJ in Raimi's movies and Bruce/Miranda Tate in TDKR and thats saying a lot
But I dont really blame Whedon,there was no room for relationship development in that movie
You can make ****-on-a-stick sound as philosophical as possible but it doesnt change the fact about what it is,i.e **** on a stick
I am not calling the scene **** but it was only there for the laughs,nothing more,nothing less
Not really,and definitely not as much as TASM
Raimi's Spider-man
Barring Dr Connors,Absolutely not
They may be present here and there but the fact it that they are completely overshadowed by the main elements of the film-Action and Humour
I was only talking about the humour in this point
The destroying bathroom scene had two purposes
To show the extent of Peter's new found strength and his confusion accosiated with it and ofcourse the Humour
I have no idea what you mean by that sentence
Once again I repeat,Those scenes in TA had no purpose apart form getting some laughs
The Playing cards was a nice touch but as I said,I felt nothing about his character
Agree to an extent
But the scenes I mentioned are much more emotionally driving without Peter Parker even saying a word
As I said,I love the TA,I would want TA2 to be similar
But I would never want a Spider-man movie to be like this or any other Marvel movie for that matter
I think that JJ Abrams created a whole new generation of Star Trek fans with his reboot, so perhaps the untitled sequel coming out next year will do much better.
I love how many people said that TASM would either bomb or do really poorly. It did really well for a reboot in the box office that had SO MUCH going against it. Compare it to Batman Begins, X-Men: First Class, and the Incredible Hulk.
The thing is that after a while, audiences will get tired of Spider-Man. They screwed up Spider-Man 3, and Amazing Spider-Man was a reboot. If the sequel to TASM doesn't do well, then after this franchise is over, whether a completed trilogy or not, we won't see a good Spider-Man movie for a very long time.I'm just wondering what other franchises have come out with so many sequels with the following films making less that the last domestically?
This is now the 3rd spidey film in a row where the sequel has made less money domestically than the last. I know it's a reboot and all but wouldn't sony have wanted to change this trend at some point?
S1: $403,706,375
S2: $373,585,825
S3: $336,530,303
TASM: $242,955,672 and counting.