Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 30

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I'd rather wait a little longer for an awesome trailer than get a rushed half-assed one like for the first Avengers. Looking back on it, as awesome as the movie was, the trailer we got that October was kinda lame.
Agreed. I saw that trailer with people at work and some of them said 'that doesn't look too good' (and they were all amazed at the final film). Very frustrating when I knew how awesome it was going to be. Just blow everyone away with the 1st trailer, no need to hold back. :cool:
 
I think whatever the trailer ends up being, it's been complete for a while, not long, but it is done. or maybe not, I could be spouting nonsense but it is my gut feeling.
 
I think whatever the trailer ends up being, it's been complete for a while, not long, but it is done. or maybe not, I could be spouting nonsense but it is my gut feeling.

The trailer is most definitely done. It kind of pisses me off how biased Marvel are towards certain places, like San Diego and New York. Making everyone else wait like 6 months to see a trailer.
 
Not a criticism to you but to people in general
Its almost comical how people are more happy with half-assed movies with female leads like Catwomen and Elektra than a character like BW who has kicked ass in 4 roles already.I for one relish the freedom BW has

I roll my eyes when people go DC is making Wonder Women and Sony is making Black Cat while Marvel fixates on white males,I mean those are the same two studios who can't get characters as simple as Superman and Spider-man right and they expect them to make female-lead superhero movies SMH.There is still a significant probability that the said movies never end up being made(Just like the sequel to Green Lantern and Superman Returns)

People need to trust Marvel and give them their space.
I mean they already have one of the most kick-as* super-heroine in recent time along with three vital African American characters,all the while having given important roles to characters like Pepper Potts,Maria Hill,Carter and the lot.They even gave Agent Carter her own TV Show

While outside MCU the biggest role we have seen from an African American has been a guy working for a newspaper(Robbie Robertson and Perry White)(apart from Electro),and the female roles are reduced to being the Damsel in distress(Lois Lane was saved three times in MOS,same with Rachel Dawes in the Nolan trilogy and Mary Jane in the Raimi trilogy) AND still Marvel's the bad guy

Who, in general, is happy with Elektra and Catwoman? I think your problem with the comments hangs on your lack of understanding the sentiment.

We're talking about a company that has pretty much made it's fortune on being diverse, on being different, on representing people as heroes from every walk of life who felt unrepresented. And as such, is sitting on many people's favorite women and POC characters. The same can't be said of WB or Sony. A Cyborg movie interests few, however it's been announced. A Black Panther movie interests many, and it's unannounced.

The idea that Marvel is doing good enough or needs space is nice, until your favorite character is just sitting around and the only discernible reason is because they aren't deemed as marketable as a white male. In such cases, someone else not subscribing to that belief becomes 'ammunition' to encourage Marvel not to subscribe to it either. Not for some PC checkmark, but to deliver in the films everything that they've delivered in the comics, which includes having a diversity of lead characters. The comparison isn't with other studios. The comparison is with Marvel comics that we grew up on.
 
DC announces slate few days after RDJ is reported to be in Cap 3, hmmmm

The thing is I don't think Marvel cares enough to out trump them with a trailer

Considering RDJ said in interviews and stuff recently that there will be announcements coming soon, and he specifically said in his Reddit AMA that "sooner than later the Marvel roster will be made public"...Marvel might announce most of their upcoming movies this month too. At the very least they'll confirm that RDJ will be in Cap 3 and reveal the subtitle.

They could also get a leg up on DC if Black Panther's planned for one of the unannounced 2017/18/19 dates...DC's Cyborg movie is scheduled for 2020.
 
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Somewhat-similar-epidermal-shade aside, Cyborg and his pops have more in common with the Iron Man franchise than anything to do with Black Panther. Marvel Studios should make the best possible Black Panther movie they can. With the best possible, most profound, most interesting interpretation of Wakanda. Anything and everything else should be considered utterly and completely irrelevant.
 
The last thing Marvel is going to do is announce stuff just to play catch up to WBDC. Marvel will announce a Black Panther film when they're ready. WB announces a dozen movies that wont't even begin filming for years and everyone goes nuts. They've made one film in their respective universe and it was divisive at best. Hardly worth praising them for announcing a Cyborg movie that may or may not even come out. We all know what happened to MoS2.
 
All these announcements about films 4, 5 and 6 years from now is nice but means very little in the scheme of things considering all these planned films can change in a heartbeat based on how the next few will be received. WB/DC still in the process of getting things established. Marvel has been in this game since 08 with its first of many successful films. Ask Sony how planning ahead can derail with one film.
 
The last thing Marvel is going to do is announce stuff just to play catch up to WBDC. Marvel will announce a Black Panther film when they're ready. WB announces a dozen movies that wont't even begin filming for years and everyone goes nuts. They've made one film in their respective universe and it was divisive at best. Hardly worth praising them for announcing a Cyborg movie that may or may not even come out. We all know what happened to MoS2.

Play catchup with WBDC? Yeah, if anything DC has some catching up to do. I can wait on a BP movie as long as they have a great script, director, and actor playing Panther. Besides, who gives a **** about Cyborg? All I want is the trailer to be put out now, but I have a feeling that it will officially come out alongside the 75 year retrospective.
 
I doubt it. If they debut the trailer on TV, I couldn't see them premiering it with anything other than Agents of SHIELD. If the rumors are true and the trailer is set to premiere with Interstellar, then it's inevitably going to pop up at some point in about three weeks. If they premiere it on TV, my money is on the 11/4 episode of Agents of SHIELD.

ABC is showing a Marvel 75 Years special in AOS's time slot that night. Election night.
 
They would not release it the night before Instellar. It's gotta be within the 24-30th.
 
Who, in general, is happy with Elektra and Catwoman? I think your problem with the comments hangs on your lack of understanding the sentiment.
What I meant was a WW and a Black Cat movie will be as bad as them,call me a pessimist but with the track record of the people involved and their desperation with aping Marvel,they are a disaster waiting to happen

And what was my main point is that how superficial people are,they are so hell bent on a Super-heroine movie that they don't realize Black Widow has been in as many movies Captain America and Thor and in more movies than Hulk and Hawk-eye

Characters like Jessica Jones and Agent Carter are gonna get their own shows with 10+ hours of screen time,but people don't see that

We're talking about a company that has pretty much made it's fortune on being diverse, on being different, on representing people as heroes from every walk of life who felt unrepresented. And as such, is sitting on many people's favorite women and POC characters.
And its also a company who has taken calculated risks and planned their movies to perfection.We all know how interconnected this universe has become,one bad movie and everything will feel the domino effect.They have a broad outline of a plan for movies for years to come,bullying them into making movies that don't fit at present will only result in bad,give them their time and they will give those movies to us
For Black Panther for example,they need to figure out how to portray Wakanda and how BP fits in the grand scheme of things
Do you want a movie with a Half-finished script,in an unsuitable time just because the universe needs more female characters?

The same can't be said of WB or Sony. A Cyborg movie interests few, however it's been announced. A Black Panther movie interests many, and it's unannounced.
And we both know that a Black Panther movie has a lot more chance of being made despite being 'unannounced'

The idea that Marvel is doing good enough or needs space is nice, until your favorite character is just sitting around and the only discernible reason is because they aren't deemed as marketable as a white male. In such cases, someone else not subscribing to that belief becomes 'ammunition' to encourage Marvel not to subscribe to it either. Not for some PC checkmark, but to deliver in the films everything that they've delivered in the comics, which includes having a diversity of lead characters. The comparison isn't with other studios. The comparison is with Marvel comics that we grew up on.

I disagree completely
If I had been asked 10 years ago that Marvel would start making their own movies and someone would ask who they would make their 'main' character(apart from Spider-man and the X-men of course),I would have said Daredevil and Hulk without thinking twice
Are those two not white males? Then why aren't they getting their own movies?
The best thing about Marvel if that they have a strong creative force which they strongly believe in,and they won't give in to bullying and fanboy lash
Trust me,it never is a good thing to blindly trust fanboys(getting feedback is another thing),I mean Sony ended their trilogy because the fans wanted Venom and they caved it.The same thing happened with TASM2,they made a decent first movie and then caved into pressure and changed everything from the costume to the tone and ruined the movie because of all the Sinister six build-up because the fans wanted them.Do you want the same thing to happen to Marvel movies?

The way Marvel make and decide movies has nothing to do with them being white males or being more popular
They made GoGT to introduce a cosmic theme to the universe,they are making Doctor Strange to introduce a supernatural side of things,it has nothing to do with them being white males
They know making a Black Widow movie will bring nothing new to the table just like making a Hawk-eye movie wont
They have a plan set on when to introduce characters like Black Panther and Captain Marvel and there is no need to force them
 
I like how "DC ANNOUNCED A CYBORG MOVIE." turns into "NO ONE CARES ABOUT CYBORG. I WANT MY BLACK PANTHER MOVIE." I guarantee you, as many people CURRENTLY care about Cyborg as as many people cared about Iron Man pre-2008.
 
I'm looking forward to the Cyborg movie, its Suicide Squad, Aquaman a Gal Gadot Wonder woman and 14-year old girl looking Flash movie I'm not excited about.
 
I think whatever the trailer ends up being, it's been complete for a while, not long, but it is done. or maybe not, I could be spouting nonsense but it is my gut feeling.
If we get the 'no strings on me' one then it will have been done ages ago but maybe the effects are closer to the final thing now.
 
Who, in general, is happy with Elektra and Catwoman? I think your problem with the comments hangs on your lack of understanding the sentiment.

We're talking about a company that has pretty much made it's fortune on being diverse, on being different, on representing people as heroes from every walk of life who felt unrepresented. And as such, is sitting on many people's favorite women and POC characters. The same can't be said of WB or Sony. A Cyborg movie interests few, however it's been announced. A Black Panther movie interests many, and it's unannounced.

The idea that Marvel is doing good enough or needs space is nice, until your favorite character is just sitting around and the only discernible reason is because they aren't deemed as marketable as a white male. In such cases, someone else not subscribing to that belief becomes 'ammunition' to encourage Marvel not to subscribe to it either. Not for some PC checkmark, but to deliver in the films everything that they've delivered in the comics, which includes having a diversity of lead characters. The comparison isn't with other studios. The comparison is with Marvel comics that we grew up on.
I agree with pretty much everything you said here. Great post. :up:

The people who think representation is just about "being PC" are missing the point.
 
I'd much rather have a Black Panther movie than another Iron Man or Thor movie.
 
Any worthwhile character deserves their moment in the spotlight, regardless of race, gender, belief, creed or publisher.
 
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