Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5 - - Part 11

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[Huddsy]

Holy late to the party Batman. Those photos are from the The Avengers. LOL

Being reported as AoU. I was duped.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Being reported as AoU. I was duped.

 

[Huddsy]

 

[Gamma Goliath]

^dope

 

[Huddsy]

I want that as a poster on my wall somewhere. So good.

 

[TJByrum]

I hope HYDRA is really in Avengers 2.

Avengers 1 was REAL personal to Thor cause Loki is his brother.

But this time around, it'll real more personal for Cap cause its HYDRA. Also, to Stark since Ultron will be partly his creation.

 

[Rike]

Awesome

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope HYDRA is really in Avengers 2.

Avengers 1 was REAL personal to Thor cause Loki is his brother.

But this time around, it'll real more personal for Cap cause its HYDRA. Also, to Stark since Ultron will be partly his creation.

I agree. One of the good things about the Avengers was that they were fighting Thor's villain Loki. It was cool to see Cap and Iron Man face off against him, and later the Hulk. That's what I liked about the old Marvel Team-Up comics where one hero's adversary became another hero's adversary.

And that's what I'd like to see with a Masters of Evil team fighting the Avengers, even if it's all the various villains from the previous MCU movies. It would be cool to see Cap take on the Abomination, for example - two super soldiers going at each other.

 

[Ant-manic]

I agree. One of the good things about the Avengers was that they were fighting Thor's villain Loki. It was cool to see Cap and Iron Man face off against him, and later the Hulk. That's what I liked about the old Marvel Team-Up comics where one hero's adversary became another hero's adversary.

And that's what I'd like to see with a Masters of Evil team fighting the Avengers, even if it's all the various villains from the previous MCU movies. It would be cool to see Cap take on the Abomination, for example - two super soldiers going at each other.

that would be messy. Blonsky is as strong as the Hulk.

 

[Iceman]

And Blonsky seemed more agile than Cap before he made the full transformation. Was hoping Cap would move like that when I 1st saw Hulk.

 

[Broseph44]

And Blonsky seemed more agile than Cap before he made the full transformation. Was hoping Cap would move like that when I 1st saw Hulk.

Well apparently he moves more like that in this film so there ya go.

 

[Iceman]

In Cap 2? Great, really hope so.

Edit: I read that as 'his film' instead of 'this film'. Where did you hear that btw? Would like to read about it if it's online.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Going back to discussion of how they handle Ultron from the last few pages of last thread, I don't see how any of that HYDRA/CA:TWS stuff explicitly has to rule out Tony and Bruce and psychodrama. All it tells me is that HYDRA is going to be causing trouble that may directly or indirectly result in the robot with genocidal tendencies.

"... We’re crafting our own version of it where his origin comes more directly from the Avengers we already know about."

To me that implies that the main four will have some sort of relation to Ultron's creation and/or his rise to power. The main four. So you can't just place it all on Cap just because his story leads into the beginning events of AoU.

You could easily have Cap and his struggle against HYDRA have something to do with the initial conception of Ultron, have Tony either willingly or unwillingly contribute to his construction, or at least the manifestation of him as an AI with free will, have Ultron base his brain patterns off of Bruce, and later have him incorporate Asgardian tech, perhaps starting with the Destroyer armor.

There, all bases covered. I won't pretend to know or actually suspect what the specifics are, the above is just speculation, but I think the gist of it; how I expect it to be handled in the actual movie, is that Ultron's creation is portrayed in stages, and then maybe even his rise to power is procedural. This gives the core Avengers and the others plenty of opportunity to be involved.

 

[KnightGambit]

Bunch of images from Italy shooting location. Not much but shows the extras signing up and such!

http://www.lastampa.it/2014/02/13/m...ti-in-coda-iF31S7z6biAX80wkqVTlnI/pagina.html

 

[Rock Sexton]

Going back to discussion of how they handle Ultron from the last few pages of last thread, I don't see how any of that HYDRA/CA:TWS stuff explicitly has to rule out Tony and Bruce and psychodrama. All it tells me is that HYDRA is going to be causing trouble that may directly or indirectly result in the robot with genocidal tendencies.

"... We’re crafting our own version of it where his origin comes more directly from the Avengers we already know about."

To me that implies that the main four will have some sort of relation to Ultron's creation and/or his rise to power. The main four. So you can't just place it all on Cap just because his story leads into the beginning events of AoU.

You could easily have Cap and his struggle against HYDRA have something to do with the initial conception of Ultron, have Tony either willingly or unwillingly contribute to his construction, or at least the manifestation of him as an AI with free will, have Ultron base his brain patterns off of Bruce, and later have him incorporate Asgardian tech, perhaps starting with the Destroyer armor.

There, all bases covered. I won't pretend to know or actually suspect what the specifics are, the above is just speculation, but I think the gist of it; how I expect it to be handled in the actual movie, is that Ultron's creation is portrayed in stages, and then maybe even his rise to power is procedural. This gives the core Avengers and the others plenty of opportunity to be involved.

Please stop hijacking the conversation in here with this. It was clear the first time nobody agreed ......

"Banner is a scientist therefore Marvel will just sub him in for Pym!" .... uh no.

 

[marcvader]

Lol, damn Rock.

 

[cherokeesam]

Please stop hijacking the conversation in here with this. It was clear the first time nobody agreed ......

"Banner is a scientist therefore Marvel will just sub him in for Pym!" .... uh no.

Yeah, I think the "Avengers create Ultron together" crowd are reading that quote too literally.

It simply makes no sense that Ultron would be a group project, let alone one created by Earth's Mightiest Heroes. People are trying to build the psychodrama into Ultron's storyline, and that's understandable; but the reason that worked in the comics was because it came from the fractured psyche of *one man,* who was far from being the noble ideal, or a role model.

Ultron's daddy issues make sense when applied to a schizophrenic also-ran nebbish who always tried way too hard to be accepted by his Superfriends. The same can't be said at all for making these true-blue, bona fide superheroes the originator of a genocidal robot (willingly or unwillingly).

And Bruce Banner, Hawkeye and Thor are so far outside the orbit of Ultron's story that there's really not a snowball's chance in hell that any of those three will have even an indirect connection to his origin. If any Avengers have a direct connection to Ultron's origin, it would most certainly be Tony and/or Cap (and maybe, by extension, Widow, whose "red ledger" may include some history with top secret plans for a killer robot, when she was with SHIELD and/or whomever she worked for previously).

But I'm not betting on even them. My money's firmly on HYDRA, which gives Cap an indirect connection to Ultron; and on a plot point where Ultron hijacks Tony Stark's Extremis Armor and makes him his puppet. Necessitating JARVIS to come to Tony's rescue by becoming Vision; the only way he/it can stop Ultron.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Yeah, I think the "Avengers create Ultron together" crowd are reading that quote too literally.

Whedon's not really the type to be so transparent when it comes to this stuff, especially when the movie is over a year and change away from it's release.

Lol, damn Rock.

I said please. LOL

 

[Dr. Evil]

While I don't expect Marvel to announce future Phase 3 films beyond this and Ant Man before The Winter Soldier, I will be shocked if Comic-Con comes and goes and they don't announce any new movies. I think that by the time Comic-Con ends, we may see new phase 3 films.

For now, they will be finishing casting for this and Ant Man. Those (and maybe any future announcements regarding guest actors or guest Marvel characters on Agents of SHIELD) will be the only announcements Marvel makes before Cap 2.

Then again, there will be three months from Cap 2 to Comic-Con, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that they announce new Phase 3 films in between as by the time Comic-Con hits, it will be a few weeks before Guardians of the Galaxy. Cap 3 and Thor 3 are likely to be a given. Marvel can beat DC to the punch by having a female led movie (Ms. Marvel or Black Widow) and a minority led movie (Black Panther or even a Latino led Dr. Strange) before Comic-Con.

I don't know about any of you guys, but I'd keep a close watch on the time period between the worldwide release of The Winter Soldier and before Comic-Con (April to July) as that might be when Marvel announces their next phase 3 movies.

 

[CoherentChaos]

alright, I understand being opposed to the idea, but I wouldn't go as far to say I'm hijacking anything (it was the last topic of the last thread, one which a few people were willing to get in on, and a number of them agreed despite your claim). That being said, you did say please, so I won't hold hard feelings unless you come and punch me in the gut or something.

And I never said it was just because Bruce is a scientist. He has issues too, however they're yet to really be explored in the MCU. Written properly, Bruce has a fractured psyche too, it just may not always be apparent, whereas Hank was always quite obviously a wreck. While I am a huge Hulk fan, it goes beyond that. Cherokeesam has it spot on. I want the psychodrama. I want Ultron to be more than just a rogue AI, killer robot.

And it seems to me that you two are taking that quote much more literally than I am. It's not a group project, or even necessarily something the team will want to happen. I'm saying that elements of their lives will play a part, be it what they or their enemies are involved in, or by chance Ultron takes on parts of them, invades their structure of life and adapts it for his own. That's how I interpret it. Which is leagues different than what it seems to mean to you.

That's it, I'm done for the night. Speculate with me or not, tell me I'm crazy (I probably am), doesn't matter.*drops mic*

 

[marcvader]

alright, I understand being opposed to the idea, but I wouldn't go as far to say I'm hijacking anything (it was the last topic of the last thread, one which a few people were willing to get in on, and a number of them agreed despite your claim). That being said, you did say please, so I won't hold hard feelings unless you come and punch me in the gut or something.

And I never said it was just because Bruce is a scientist. He has issues too, however they're yet to really be explored in the MCU. Written properly, Bruce has a fractured psyche too, it just may not always be apparent, whereas Hank was always quite obviously a wreck. While I am a huge Hulk fan, it goes beyond that. Cherokeesam has it spot on. I want the psychodrama. I want Ultron to be more than just a rogue AI, killer robot.

And it seems to me that you two are taking that quote much more literally than I am. It's not a group project, or even necessarily something the team will want to happen. I'm saying that elements of their lives will play a part, be it what they or their enemies are involved in, or by chance Ultron takes on parts of them, invades their structure of life and adapts it for his own. That's how I interpret it. Which is leagues different than what it seems to mean to you.

That's it, I'm done for the night. Speculate with me or not, tell me I'm crazy (I probably am), doesn't matter.*drops mic*

Pick that mic up and put it back in its damn place.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Damn I thought I kicked that habit. *delicately puts mic in place*

Alright, gotta run. Call me when we start having discussions about Cap's helmet again, I'll try to bring a large bag of popcorn when I close concessions.

 

[Rock Sexton]

alright, I understand being opposed to the idea, but I wouldn't go as far to say I'm hijacking anything (it was the last topic of the last thread, one which a few people were willing to get in on, and a number of them agreed despite your claim). That being said, you did say please, so I won't hold hard feelings unless you come and punch me in the gut or something.

And I never said it was just because Bruce is a scientist. He has issues too, however they're yet to really be explored in the MCU. Written properly, Bruce has a fractured psyche too, it just may not always be apparent, whereas Hank was always quite obviously a wreck. While I am a huge Hulk fan, it goes beyond that. Cherokeesam has it spot on. I want the psychodrama. I want Ultron to be more than just a rogue AI, killer robot.

And it seems to me that you two are taking that quote much more literally than I am. It's not a group project, or even necessarily something the team will want to happen. I'm saying that elements of their lives will play a part, be it what they or their enemies are involved in, or by chance Ultron takes on parts of them, invades their structure of life and adapts it for his own. That's how I interpret it. Which is leagues different than what it seems to mean to you.

That's it, I'm done for the night. Speculate with me or not, tell me I'm crazy (I probably am), doesn't matter.*drops mic*

I haven't even stated what I thought of Ultron to you. Alas your comments pertaining to Banner and this rumored fractured psyche wreak of trying too hard to replace Pym and being too literal of an iteration from the comic book.