Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5

[cph9fa]

Who do you think will save the day in Avengers AoU? Stark got the call in Avengers 1, but my best guess without us knowing anything about the script, is Thor. He was dumbbed down in the first team up, so I'm guessing he is the hero at the end of AoU

My guess is absolutely with SW and/or QS. I believe that Ultron will know everything possible about the Avengers, anticipate their every move before hand, and come up with a counter-strategy. The Avengers will be down, and almost out, and their last hope will be to trust the Maximoff's (who will be a former enemy) to save them. If Ultron is "evolving" as Joss has said, then the Avengers will need to evolve as well, by including more members. It also creates a nice thematic dualism of logic/science vs. chaos/magic (and the anticipated vs. the unanticipated).

A step further, I think Hawkeye and Cap may be essential in getting the Maximoffs to change sides, thus referencing the Kooky Quartet (and giving Hawkeye a more important part of the story).

 

[number1lakeboy]

My guess is absolutely with SW and/or QS. I believe that Ultron will know everything possible about the Avengers, anticipate their every move before hand, and come up with a counter-strategy. The Avengers will be down, and almost out, and their last hope will be to trust the Maximoff's (who will be a former enemy) to save them. If Ultron is "evolving" as Joss has said, then the Avengers will need to evolve as well, by including more members. It also creates a nice thematic dualism of logic/science vs. chaos/magic (and the anticipated vs. the unanticipated).

A step further, I think Hawkeye and Cap may be essential in getting the Maximoffs to change sides, thus referencing the Kooky Quartet (and giving Hawkeye a more important part of the story).

That is a very good theory, wow. lol

I'm interested to see who kicks the bucket in this one, no one has ever truly and undoubtedly died in these films. It will have to come from the team itself I feel like.

 

[Just_Human]

My guess is absolutely with SW and/or QS. I believe that Ultron will know everything possible about the Avengers, anticipate their every move before hand, and come up with a counter-strategy. The Avengers will be down, and almost out, and their last hope will be to trust the Maximoff's (who will be a former enemy) to save them. If Ultron is "evolving" as Joss has said, then the Avengers will need to evolve as well, by including more members. It also creates a nice thematic dualism of logic/science vs. chaos/magic (and the anticipated vs. the unanticipated).

A step further, I think Hawkeye and Cap may be essential in getting the Maximoffs to change sides, thus referencing the Kooky Quartet (and giving Hawkeye a more important part of the story).

Yup most likely

 

[Rock Sexton]

Yeah sure! Will it happen? No I don´t think so.

I admit there is a possibility now that I understand the reverse engineering part and that the Destroyer isn´t in fact as powerful as in the comics which allow them to work with the remains of the Destroyer, but wouldn´t you prefer vibranium? I think it´s a good way to bring in BP and the environment + the stories/introduction of the place has so much more to offer than Ultron somehow getting Destroyer parts.

I know that parts from the Destroyer can provide him with the firepower and armour but it doesn´t make any sense. It´s better to take something that everyone has seen. Captain America shield -> vibranium. You must have seen Thor to know about the Destroyer. I know this isn´t a strong argument lol but I hope someone gets it.

Your comments make my mind numb sometimes. What is this "You must have seen" crap? Obviously people have seen Cap's movie. Obviously people have seen Thor's .... and the obviously people have seen Avengers where Thor's hammer met Cap's shield. Fact remains though that vibranium and the Destroyer's armor are the two strongest in the MCU to this point. Thor never really did anything to the Destroyer's armor, he simply jammed his fire blast back inside of him.

I'm not arguing in favor of one or the other, albeit the Cape Town rumor seems to be the biggest signal. But the way you argue this thing is strictly a personal preference.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

My guess is absolutely with SW and/or QS. I believe that Ultron will know everything possible about the Avengers, anticipate their every move before hand, and come up with a counter-strategy. The Avengers will be down, and almost out, and their last hope will be to trust the Maximoff's (who will be a former enemy) to save them. If Ultron is "evolving" as Joss has said, then the Avengers will need to evolve as well, by including more members. It also creates a nice thematic dualism of logic/science vs. chaos/magic (and the anticipated vs. the unanticipated).

A step further, I think Hawkeye and Cap may be essential in getting the Maximoffs to change sides, thus referencing the Kooky Quartet (and giving Hawkeye a more important part of the story).

I would kill to see them reference the Kooky Quartet era of stories! I am really hoping that whomever is cast as Wanda along with Johnson, have good chemistry with Evans and Renner. Bonus points: Joss has to have Clint make super obvious passes at Wanda.

 

[Just_Human]

I wonder if Loki's comment to Stark in A1 was foreshadowing the events of A2:

" .... when they are so busy fighting you ? "

 

[Gary Griffith]

OK I think I've got it:

Cap and BW fool around and Natasha gets pregnant. However, due to Cap's Super Soldier Serum the pregnancy is accelerated and BW has a premature birth.

Now the baby has health problems, so Stark builds a suit for him but it doesn't help. Now Thor throws in some Asgardian magic that "cures" the baby, but fuses him to Stark's suit. But he's healthy, at least.

Because of the SSS, the baby matures quickly, and Hawkeye, the Falcon, Fury and Maria Hill do baby-sitting duties when Steve and Natasha need a night out.

All is going well until little Stevie sees Pietro and Wanda having incestuous relations and that freaks him out and turns him evil!

Oh yeah and Hank Pym slaps him around too!

Just a bit of fun folks!

 

[Hyde]

If that happened, this movie would get nominated for Best Picture.

 

[Gary Griffith]

Thank you Movie Master!

This stuff isn't hard! Joss is overpaid!

 

[Mightyally]

I get the point you are trying to make, and I gotta say, i disagree. As for the part I bolded, where did you get that impression?

Nothing in the Thor movie suggests that.

Here are a few things to ponder, yes, it was a short fight, and in terms of scale compared to Thor, it wasn't as powerful as it should be. However, you saying, Cap's Shield > Destroyer has no wall to fall back on, other than the outcome of the Destroy fight. Which really doesn't prove Cap's Shield is > Destroyer, in terms of durability.

Think about this. Thor is a 1000+ years old. He's a warrior. He knows his strength, and his power. He did not choose to physically challenge the destroyer. Instead, he created a storm, and had to resort to his powers to defeat it. Thor never physically struck the Destroyer. He must have KNEW it was TOO durable for him to damage, or stop, hence him having to resort to his powers.

As for the way Thor defeated the Destroyer, it has nothing to do with durability of the armor. It shot energy blasts at him, thor blocked it, and pushed it back into what ultimately seemed like the opening on the face, and into the interior. He defeated the destroyer by using it's energy against it, and more than likely destroying it from the inside.

That's what it was. I agree about the fight, and it was dumbed down, I get that. But to say that the destroyer is less durable than caps shield cause of that fight, well that conclusion can't be made.

All we know about the Destroyer is that it is made from an unknown metal, and that Thor chose not to engage it in physical combat. If Thor feels confident enough to fight Hulk fist to fist, him going RIGHT to weather powers, and not physically engaging the Destroyer could certainly lead one to assume the exact opposite of what you are saying


actually, at the beginning of the fight, he did knock it over with a throw. But after that, it went right to weather. He must have knew he couldn't physically damage it. It could be every bit as durable as vibranium, just because the hammer knocked over the destroy once at the beginning from behind (which had zero effect) doesn't mean it was less durable than caps shield.

Wait wait wait. I never meant Cap > Destroyer in terms of durability. Sorry if you had to write all that. As mentioned before, we know that both of em are the only things capable. Which is the hardest? That doesn´t matter, hard enough is all that matters lol. I said that no one knows how strong its armour is, but ofc we know it´s hard enough.

What I meant was that Thor is a less known movie than The Avengers. More ppl have seen and remember the Avengers. The Captain America movie might be on the same level as Thor(approximately, not to big difference), but the fact remains that ppl know Cap´s shield can take some heavy hitting from the Avngers and from Captain America. The shield can be familirized with because it´s constantly in action. That´s what I meant with C>D.

Your comments make my mind numb sometimes. What is this "You must have seen" crap? Obviously people have seen Cap's movie. Obviously people have seen Thor's .... and the obviously people have seen Avengers where Thor's hammer met Cap's shield. Fact remains though that vibranium and the Destroyer's armor are the two strongest in the MCU to this point. Thor never really did anything to the Destroyer's armor, he simply jammed his fire blast back inside of him.

I'm not arguing in favor of one or the other, albeit the Cape Town rumor seems to be the biggest signal. But the way you argue this thing is strictly a personal preference.

You must have seen crap?.... That´s an argument for why Cap´s shield is more known that the Destroyer.

So you don´t agree that ppl are more familar with Cap´s shield and its properties? It feels as if you do, so why is it crap?

It doesn´t matter if someone can say vibranium backwards. The only time we get to see Destoyer is in Thor, and yes you must have seen that fight to know anything about the Destroyers properties. Cap´s shield has been a symbol and is a part of the Avengers in a different way. More ppl know of it and its properties.

This only 1 argument alone for why I don´t think Destroyer will play a part. It´s not a strong argument so don´t take it too seriously! It´s enough imo to establish that it would make more sense and get more association to use vibranium because it is connected to Cap´s shield. There are also other things. The Wakanda story/environment has more to offer than him taking Destroyer stuff (imo ofc), they looked for a place in Africa to shoot the movie and I could go on. But considiring the risk of making you mind numb Rock Sexton, I think I´ll stop here.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Quick question and I hope a lot of people put their two cents in....

Who do you think will save the day in Avengers AoU? Stark got the call in Avengers 1, but my best guess without us knowing anything about the script, is Thor. He was dumbbed down in the first team up, so I'm guessing he is the hero at the end of AoU

Scarlet Witch is the most probable person

I would kill to see them reference the Kooky Quartet era of stories! I am really hoping that whomever is cast as Wanda along with Johnson, have good chemistry with Evans and Renner. Bonus points: Joss has to have Clint make super obvious passes at Wanda.

I'd love to see that, now that the Hawkeye/Widow romance seems to be off the table

Wait wait wait. I never meant Cap > Destroyer in terms of durability. Sorry if you had to write all that. As mentioned before, we know that both of em are the only things capable. Which is the hardest? That doesn´t matter, hard enough is all that matters lol. I said that no one knows how strong its armour is, but ofc we know it´s hard enough.

What I meant was that Thor is a less known movie than The Avengers. More ppl have seen and remember the Avengers. The Captain America movie might be on the same level as Thor(approximately, not to big difference), but the fact remains that ppl know Cap´s shield can take some heavy hitting from the Avngers and from Captain America. The shield can be familirized with because it´s constantly in action. That´s what I meant with C>D.



You must have seen crap?.... That´s an argument for why Cap´s shield is more known that the Destroyer.

So you don´t agree that ppl are more familar with Cap´s shield and its properties? It feels as if you do, so why is it crap?

It doesn´t matter if someone can say vibranium backwards. The only time we get to see Destoyer is in Thor, and yes you must have seen that fight to know anything about the Destroyers properties. Cap´s shield has been a symbol and is a part of the Avengers in a different way. More ppl know of it and its properties.

This only 1 argument alone for why I don´t think Destroyer will play a part. It´s not a strong argument so don´t take it too seriously! It´s enough imo to establish that it would make more sense and get more association to use vibranium because it is connected to Cap´s shield. There are also other things. The Wakanda story/environment has more to offer than him taking Destroyer stuff (imo ofc), they looked for a place in Africa to shoot the movie and I could go on. But considiring the risk of making you mind numb Rock Sexton, I think I´ll stop here.

The Destroyer was mentioned a number of times in TA. I don't think it will be a problem for people who haven't seen Thor but TA

 

[Mightyally]

I don´t think there is a problem to actually do it at all! I truly don´t. IMO there is however a much better alternative, so why chose the one that doesn´t have as much to offer?
And I am willing to hear you out why it would be better to go the destroyer way, it´s just my opinion that Wakanda is more interesting/better.

My argument, which isn´t to be taken so serious (for it doesn´t decide anything), is simply that it makes more sense to chose vibranium over that armour.
I agree tho, they can use the Destroyer´s armour without it being strange.

But why go down that road when Wakanda and BP has so much more to offer? Why take something like the Destroyer´s armour when we have such a good story to go with the wakanda deal?
Even if you think that the Wakanda deal isn´t as likely to happen as the Destroyer thing, there still are other things pointing towards Wakanda.

So in the end, I don´t think it will be the Destroyer. Even if it´s 100% possible. I don´t base this conclusion because of the Shield being more known than the Destroyer. For as I said, it´s not an absolut gamechanger.
My personal conclusion that they will (probably) not go the Destroyer road, is based on a lot of factors comming together, where it happens 1 of em is the Shield being more familiar than the armour.

 

[chromehorn]

I wonder if Loki's comment to Stark in A1 was foreshadowing the events of A2:

" .... when they are so busy fighting you ? "

That was when Loki tapped him with the spear to take control over Tony, which didn't work.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

OK I think I've got it:

Cap and BW fool around and Natasha gets pregnant. However, due to Cap's Super Soldier Serum the pregnancy is accelerated and BW has a premature birth.

Now the baby has health problems, so Stark builds a suit for him but it doesn't help. Now Thor throws in some Asgardian magic that "cures" the baby, but fuses him to Stark's suit. But he's healthy, at least.

Because of the SSS, the baby matures quickly, and Hawkeye, the Falcon, Fury and Maria Hill do baby-sitting duties when Steve and Natasha need a night out.

All is going well until little Stevie sees Pietro and Wanda having incestuous relations and that freaks him out and turns him evil!

Oh yeah and Hank Pym slaps him around too!

Just a bit of fun folks!

Lifetime presents: The Avengers

 

[Artistsean]

I have researched it on google, but found nothing. Which means it was probably nothing,
but Matt Smith was talking at the Marvel booth at Comic Con. Anyone know why? Was
it just to talk about Doctor Who?
My hope, but probably not reality, is that he was cast as hank Pym. So that while filming
of Ant Man hasn't started yet, Hank could still pop up in Avengers.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I wonder if Loki's comment to Stark in A1 was foreshadowing the events of A2:

" .... when they are so busy fighting you ? "

......

Did you proceed to blink for an extremely long window of time after that?

 

[Rock Sexton]

......

Did you proceed to blink for an extremely long window of time after that?

Hahaha ya seriously .....

 

[Just_Human]

That was when Loki tapped him with the spear to take control over Tony, which didn't work.

Exactly

 

[Just_Human]

......

Did you proceed to blink for an extremely long window of time after that?

I know you did

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I know you did

Don't project your follies onto others now. It reflects badly on you.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

That is a very good theory, wow. lol

I'm interested to see who kicks the bucket in this one, no one has ever truly and undoubtedly died in these films. It will have to come from the team itself I feel like.

I'd vote SW and QS ultimately switch sides to help take down Ultron and die a valiant, sacrificial death to defeat him, and Hawkeye could die at some point as well. That leaves room for growth with Ant Man and maybe Black Panther getting more prominent roles in the future.

 

[mocomic]

Been sitting there wondering how an advanced robotics system can actually pose a threat to someone like The Hulk or Thor. Based on the "worldwide" approach Feige mentioned in interviews, I understand the fight will aim to stretch the Avengers thin across multiple continents. However .... again how does Ultron actually battle someone like those aforementioned Avengers. I'm guessing he will make use of the advanced weaponry SHIELD has been hard at work constructing with the possibility that tech from the Chitauri invasion could play a role.

If MCU had XMen it would be Adamantium
With what we have to work with Vibranium

Funny thing, only one ever to mention Vibranium is Howard Stark

.??? I s Vibranium what now powers the arc reactor

Anyway remember Thor's hammer hitting the shield

That's how Ultron survives Thor , Hulk , and Iron Man.

This is why Wanda defeats Ultron .

Similar to I think issue #162 I think.

 

[Loki882]

TheHeatKitchen, So the two classical Avengers who are just introduced in THIS movie, and the original movie Avenger who's gotten the least amount of screentime and development should be the ones to die, yeah no?

 

[cph9fa]

OK I think I've got it:

Cap and BW fool around and Natasha gets pregnant. However, due to Cap's Super Soldier Serum the pregnancy is accelerated and BW has a premature birth.

Now the baby has health problems, so Stark builds a suit for him but it doesn't help. Now Thor throws in some Asgardian magic that "cures" the baby, but fuses him to Stark's suit. But he's healthy, at least.

Because of the SSS, the baby matures quickly, and Hawkeye, the Falcon, Fury and Maria Hill do baby-sitting duties when Steve and Natasha need a night out.

All is going well until little Stevie sees Pietro and Wanda having incestuous relations and that freaks him out and turns him evil!

Oh yeah and Hank Pym slaps him around too!

Just a bit of fun folks!

Rumor confirmed? Or just negotiations to find RDJ's eventual replacement?

Spoiler

 

[mocomic]

Prediction: The Avengers will be unable to defeat Ultron until SW & QS join the team. Like any good evil AI, Ultron will probably know pretty much everything about the Avengers, their strengths and weaknesses, and what their strategies are, and he'll always be a few steps ahead. It is only when an unknown variable (the Maximoffs) enter the equation that he can be defeated. (For this reason, I also doubt that the Maximoffs are going to be Ultron's minions in some kind of MoE scheme. They will be a separate, parallel plot)

If the first film makes the argument that the Avengers must assemble, this film will make the case that they must evolve and adapt, and cannot remain static, thus setting up the rotating roster concept.

Works for me