Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5

[KRYPTON INC.]

I never thought Thanos was gonna be the villain to A2....the team isn't powerful enough to fight him without Thanos getting majorly downgraded.

If Wanda and Pietro are added to the team at the end of A2, they'd still need maybe 2-3 more characters at least to take on the mad titan in my estimation, unless they do as you say and make Thanos less impressive than he is in the books. I would love if a key to A3 were to be seen in the characters that are introduced in the follow up solo films. Like having Herc show up in Thor 3 as an example. Let me take a crack at seeing what a potential line up of heroes MIGHT look like in A3 (provided Joss does not kill off anyone in A2):


1. Captain America

2. Tony Stark (I don't know if it's a given he will put the armor back on. Crazy? Sure. But I wouldn't put it past RDJ or Joss to do something like this.)

3, Thor (With or without both hands.)

4. The Hulk? (I put a question mark here because I don't think Joss will kill Bruce in A2 but I also don't think Hulk's destiny in the MCU is to stay in the public's good graces. I just don't see that for the character. MARVEL may see it differently though.)

5. Black Widow (Joss loves her, so I think she's a lock.)

6. QuickSilver

7 Scarlet Witch

8. Black Panther (Yes, I know this assumes he get's a solo in PHASE 3.)

9. Hercules (I can see him adding power and being a foil for Thor if Hulk is nixed.)

10. Vison (I just can't see having Wanda there and not having Vision.)

11. Ant-Man? (This is if they want to use the character at all after how long it's taken Edgar W. to deliver this film.)

And finally, while not on the team per se, you have Doctor Strange giving a hand as mystical back up.

I'm just spitballing here people. Feel free to poop all over this. Even I admit this is a lot of characters for a single film.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Its pretty accurate. Though i doubt herc is showing up anytime soon

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Its pretty accurate. Though i doubt herc is showing up anytime soon

I can't disagree too much, but I think that new members have to come from somewhere, so why not intro them in the solo films. Herc is the best choice since he did make his first appearance in the Thor book.

Not to mention that having Avengers members debut in solo films also gives MARVEL more leeway when it comes to things like recasting or an actor holding out for more cash. If Hemmsworth doesn't want to do any more Thor they can just put Herc in his place.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I can't disagree too much, but I think that new members have to come from somewhere, so why not intro them in the solo films. Herc is the best choice since he did make his first appearance in the Thor book.

Not to mention that having Avengers members debut in solo films also gives MARVEL more leeway when it comes to things like recasting or an actor holding out for more cash. If Hemmsworth doesn't want to do any more Thor they can just put Herc in his place.

Seriously there is no point in discussing Herc.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't disagree i just think we will see beta-ray bill before herc and the olympians. Thor 3 will either be enchantress and skurge or sutur and ragnorok.... I don't see much room for explaining the olympians just yet. Couple that with Percy Jackson and The Rock's Hercules beating marvels take to the punch.... Its going to be a while

 

[roach]

I don't disagree i just think we will see beta-ray bill before her and the olympians. Thor 3 will either be enchantress and skurge or sutur and ragnorok.... I don't see much room for explaining the olympians just yet. Couple that with Percy Jackson and The Rock's Hercules beating marvels take to the punch.... Its going to be a while

there's another Herc movie being shot too

 

[spideyboy_1111]

there's another Herc movie being shot too

I think marvel should take the tv show route with herc . Make it about Herc and amedeaus cho . That run was fantastic and hilarious

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Seriously there is no point in discussing Herc.

I would have said the same for a lazer gun toting Raccoon not long ago, but here we are. And if you think Rocket should not be used as a cudgel in any and all discussions about which characters can and cannot appear in the future don't look at me. MARVEL is the one that thought they just could not do GOTG without him. When we get that low on the MARVEL character totem (I mean really, we get an MCU Rocket BEFORE and MCU Rick Jones?) I think it's fair to say any character is fair game.

And my reasoning is not just fanboy fantasy. If they intro characters like Herc then they have a shot at doing Avengers films whether or not the most well known actors of the founding members are available or not. They could have a situation where a future Cap or Thor recast is not done by the time an Avengers sequel has started shooting. No prob, let's drop Herc in the story. Problem solved. What I mean by that is I am using Herc just as an example. If you debuted a few Avengers in the solo films and those characters are good replacements for others who may not be available for a myriad of reasons, then why not do that?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think marvel should take the tv show route with herc . Make it about Herc and amedeaus cho . That run was fantastic and hilarious

The way that series dealt with so many things in both Marvel history and mythology was great. Fun, yet smart. It went off the rails a bit at the end I think, but that's how it goes some times. Even Peter David's Hulk had a rough ending, I'd say.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Rick Jones ain't ever happening

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Rick Jones ain't ever happening

I was not aware Kevin Feige was spideyboy.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I was not aware Kevin Feige was spideyboy.

Lol its just common sense. He's a terribly dated character, boring, and amedeaus cho fills the role (with herc and hulk) in a far more interesting way. Rick Jones has become nothing more than a marvel nostalgia relic that they had to turn him into A-Bomb who's still not even remotely interesting.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Lol its just common sense. He's a terribly dated character, boring, and amedeaus cho fills the role (with herc and hulk) in a far more interesting way. Rick Jones has become nothing more than a marvel nostalgia relic that they had to turn him into A-Bomb who's still not even remotely interesting.

I think that was more of Loeb just taking a poop on a character. Rick is an awesome character with connections to so much of the Marvel Universe. It's a bit of a shame he has not been translated to screen. In the hands of good writers Rick has always been entertaining. He was used to do meta commentary on these characters before meta commentary was cool, brother.

 

[cherokeesam]

I can almost guarantee Jarvis will become self-aware or corrupted and becomes Ultron. It really makes sense in this universe that Tony is the creator of Ultron. And look at it this way, Tony gave up being IM at the end of IM3, so when Jarvis goes rogue, it gives Tony the reason to don the suit again

How did Tony "give up being IM at the end of IM3" when he closes the movie with the specific line: "I AM IRON MAN?" He's still IM. He's just going to come up with a new version of the suit, almost inevitably the Extremis Armor/Bleeding Edge.

Also, regarding the JARVIS becomes ULTRON theory: seems like a logical enough train of thought to get there, but there's got to be a reason for it to happen. Even HAL9000 was actually manipulated by the Jupiter/Saturn aliens into becoming corrupt. JARVIS doesn't just glitch and suddenly turn into the universe's most powerful genocidal supercomputer/killer robot. SOMEONE or SOMETHING would have to flip the switch. Something/someone very evil, very supervillainous, very powerful.

 

[Crimson King]

How did Tony "give up being IM at the end of IM3" when he closes the movie with the specific line: "I AM IRON MAN?" He's still IM. He's just going to come up with a new version of the suit, almost inevitably the Extremis Armor/Bleeding Edge.

Also, regarding the JARVIS becomes ULTRON theory: seems like a logical enough train of thought to get there, but there's got to be a reason for it to happen. Even HAL9000 was actually manipulated by the Jupiter/Saturn aliens into becoming corrupt. JARVIS doesn't just glitch and suddenly turn into the universe's most powerful genocidal supercomputer/killer robot. SOMEONE or SOMETHING would have to flip the switch. Something/someone very evil, very supervillainous, very powerful.

A buddy of mine wrote the "A2 Treatment" post that gives a possible scenario for how IM gets involved in Ultron's creation. It's pretty smart. You should give it a read.

 

[Lord]

A buddy of mine wrote the "A2 Treatment" post that gives a possible scenario for how IM gets involved in Ultron's creation. It's pretty smart. You should give it a read.

Where can it be found?

 

[Crimson King]

Where can it be found?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=462881

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think that was more of Loeb just taking a poop on a character. Rick is an awesome character with connections to so much of the Marvel Universe. It's a bit of a shame he has not been translated to screen. In the hands of good writers Rick has always been entertaining. He was used to do meta commentary on these characters before meta commentary was cool, brother.

Rick Jones is like a skin-tag... he's an un-needed add-on. And with hulk's new origin that we will never see.. Rick has No Origin anyway...

he's just not needed in the Movie Universe.

TV fine, Film, no

 

[Rock Sexton]

I would have said the same for a lazer gun toting Raccoon not long ago, but here we are. And if you think Rocket should not be used as a cudgel in any and all discussions about which characters can and cannot appear in the future don't look at me. MARVEL is the one that thought they just could not do GOTG without him. When we get that low on the MARVEL character totem (I mean really, we get an MCU Rocket BEFORE and MCU Rick Jones?) I think it's fair to say any character is fair game.

And my reasoning is not just fanboy fantasy. If they intro characters like Herc then they have a shot at doing Avengers films whether or not the most well known actors of the founding members are available or not. They could have a situation where a future Cap or Thor recast is not done by the time an Avengers sequel has started shooting. No prob, let's drop Herc in the story. Problem solved. What I mean by that is I am using Herc just as an example. If you debuted a few Avengers in the solo films and those characters are good replacements for others who may not be available for a myriad of reasons, then why not do that?

Actually, yes your reason is fanboy fantasy. They've already got one franchise running on the "is he a God?" element. Rocket Raccoon does not fit that profile. Marvel is focused on original properties, not something like Hercules where there are two movies coming up, focused on that character.

 

[Spiderine]

I never thought Thanos was gonna be the villain to A2....the team isn't powerful enough to fight him without Thanos getting majorly downgraded.

That little cameo at the end of Avengers was clearly setting up the GOTG film with Thanos. They made the right decision to go with Ultron in the sequel. World class threat before we see them tackle another alien being in Avengers 3.

 

[Smashlilman]

I think marvel should take the tv show route with herc . Make it about Herc and amedeaus cho . That run was fantastic and hilarious

And call it Marvel's Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.

 

[TeeKay]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=462881

Holy S@*t!!! That treatment was awesome, everythings comes to together neatly. The Maximoff's role makes sense and I imagine that's how it might play out in TA:AOU. Very awesome treatment indeed

 

[Mightyally]

And call it Marvel's Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.

I loved that show. Man, last time I watched that was when I was like 9.
Sundays, Herc followed by Xena. <3

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Actually, yes your reason is fanboy fantasy. They've already got one franchise running on the "is he a God?" element. Rocket Raccoon does not fit that profile. Marvel is focused on original properties, not something like Hercules where there are two movies coming up, focused on that character.

Wow, sorry I ever brought up Herc. He kill a member of your immediate family or something?

Kidding aside I was using Herc as an example of adding to the roster in a way that's cost effecient AND in keeping with story elements from the comics. Using the solo films to intro charactersthat will show up later takes away the need for explaining these characters in an Avengers film. I love the twins and Vision but explaining them (yes I am aware of the wierd place the twins origin is in now) takes up screen time. Theoretically having say, Simon Williams in a IM (yes I'm aware that as of yet there are no plans for more IM. IT'S AN EXAMPLE) solo or what's being done with Falcon in WINTER SOLDIER means they can come onto the roster without eating up time with an origin story. For some, given their history this is most likely not an option. Vision would fall into this category I think. But for some other classic Avengers characters I think what I'm proposing is reasonable.

Oh, and Rick Jones is awesomesauce with a Cherry on top. A-Bomb is a stupid thing to do to him, but that doesn't change the fact that Rick has been a great character and is an important part of MARVEL.

 

[jaqua99]

I see the desire to not have Herc though. Thor is the god. The Asgardians are the Gods. Having more, would be overkill. Not only that, it would hurt the image of Thor, having another god. We need only ONE god as an avenger. His name is Thor Odinson