Infinity War The Avengers: Infinity War The Official News and Speculation - - - - - - - Part 22

[HammerDown]

I can't see why Widow would say that to Vision (especially as she should know they have zero chance of killing Vision).

This quote is after Captain America has joined the fight against Corvus and Proxima (as presumably him catching Proxy's spear and walking out from the shadows is his entrance in the movie?) so why would they fight them off and then threaten to kill Vision? Dude is already having a hard enough time.

You might be right, but I definitely think it's Corvus and/or Proxima she's saying it to.

You don't understand my point. My point is that i think the quote from Black Widow "We don't want to kill you... but we will." is from 2 different scenes. "We don't want to kill you" and "But we will". We see Black Widow talking and saying "But we will" but we only hear her saying "We don't want to kill you". Hence my theory that it might be clever editing.

Same thing happen in Ragnarok. When Hela said in the trailer "Asgard... is dead". Instead in the movie it was "My father is dead...".

 

[InvisibleWoman]

You don't understand my point. My point is that i think the quote from Black Widow "We don't want to kill you... but we will." is from 2 different scenes. "We don't want to kill you" and "But we will". We see Black Widow talking and saying "But we will" but we only hear her saying "We don't want to kill you". Hence my theory that it might be clever editing.

Same thing happen in Ragnarok. When Hela said in the trailer "Asgard... is dead". Instead in the movie it was "My father is dead...".

Ah I see, apologies for the misunderstanding. I haven't actually watched the clip as trying to avoid watching too many so just saw the quote in the gif which looks like she says both lines in the one scene.

Yeah that could be the case. I guess we'll have to wait and see! I wouldn't be surprised if they cut/edited these spots to throw the audience.

 

[HammerDown]

Ah I see, apologies for the misunderstanding. I haven't actually watched the clip as trying to avoid watching too many so just saw the quote in the gif which looks like she says both lines in the one scene.

Yeah that could be the case. I guess we'll have to wait and see! I wouldn't be surprised if they cut/edited these spots to throw the audience.

I'm sure they will try and through people off with the editing. They have done it before.

Still it's just a guess from my part.

 

[Aximili86]

Sorta liking how they kept the British/Australian pronounciation of that "os" sound in "Thanos" for Thor, even if it's inconsistent with how everyone else says it. Pretty cool.

Liking the new footage. Hard to say with that Natasha/Proxima stuff, it'll annoy me if Widow beats her one-on-one, but I suspect that's not the case. I can live with the nerfing of Proxima if it takes Steve, Natasha, Sam, maybe someone else (Wanda?) in unison to bring her down, that'll be fine.

 

[HammerDown]

Some pieces of the puzzle put together.

Spoiler

 

[MagicalMe]

Some pieces of the puzzle put together.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Does Cap arrive in the van then?

 

[HammerDown]

Spoiler

Does Cap arrive in the van then?

haha That sounded funny.

Spoiler

More like the van passes by and all of the sudden he is right there.

I think Bucky aka Winter Soldier did the same thing in Civil War if i am not mistaken. Either he appeared after a car passed by or disappeared.

 

[BigThor]

Liking the new footage. Hard to say with that Natasha/Proxima stuff, it'll annoy me if Widow beats her one-on-one, but I suspect that's not the case. I can live with the nerfing of Proxima if it takes Steve, Natasha, Sam, maybe someone else (Wanda?) in unison to bring her down, that'll be fine.

Same here, I'll be fine with Cap, Falcon, Black Widow, AND Wanda (must have atleast one high powered charactered) defeating Proxima or Corvus.

 

[BigThor]

Btw, that hole of destruction in front of Wanda....what if Thor did that? There are some dark clouds to the left.

That would make my day obviously lol.

 

[shadowboxxx]

In every shot they've shown of Vision he is getting his ass whupped.

Sucks for us Vision fans.

 

[Infinity Stone]

In every shot they've shown of Vision he is getting his ass whupped.

Sucks for us Vision fans.

Rubbing salt into wounds!

 

[InvisibleWoman]

In every shot they've shown of Vision he is getting his ass whupped.

Sucks for us Vision fans.

I don't doubt he'll have his moment. He seems in some ways to be the emotional centre of the movie... everyone coming together and putting differences aside to save him.

 

[markjoedelonge]

haha That sounded funny.

Spoiler

More like the van passes by and all of the sudden he is right there.

I think Bucky aka Winter Soldier did the same thing in Civil War if i am not mistaken. Either he appeared after a car passed by or disappeared.

Damn that would be ****ing cool!!

 

[Iceman]

Same here, I'll be fine with Cap, Falcon, Black Widow, AND Wanda (must have atleast one high powered charactered) defeating Proxima or Corvus.

Same here. One high powered character in teamwork with a bunch of well coordinated lower tier characters would be totally fine.

 

[Iceman]

In every shot they've shown of Vision he is getting his ass whupped.

Sucks for us Vision fans.

I need one or 2 scenes where he can totally let loose. At least before the stone is finally given up against Thanos would be cool.

 

[Iron_Stark]

In every shot they've shown of Vision he is getting his ass whupped.

Sucks for us Vision fans.

I was about to say the same thing. For someone who's supposed to be "top tier", he sure does seem to be getting his ass kicked a lot.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Eh I think they're saving Vision letting loose for the actual movie. They're intentionally showing us footage of him being whupped to further the narrative that he will die.

 

[javonstokess]

Captain America is only important because he is Steve Rogers. Even when they briefly pass the mantle in the books it's always done in contrast to Steve Rogers as Cap. It's a gimmick that never lasts and a gimmick that doesn't come with a $175m budget, $150m in marketing and hundreds of millions in potential merch sales.

Steve Rogers isn't going by the Captain America mantle in Infinity War and yet there he is being shown in money shot after money shot in the trailers and advertising. He doesn't even have his trademark shield and it doesn't matter because Steve Rogers is who is important. If someone else showed up wearing a flag it wouldn't make them Captain America let alone important. Just as Rhodey wearing an iron suit doesn't make him Iron Man.

There hasn't been an Iron Man solo movie in 5 years and won't be another one for probably at least another 5. The last IM movie made $1.2 BILLION and yet it rests.

That huge seed about Bucky and Nat's relationship in Civil War is more wishful thinking by Bucky fans and Stan than anything else. Their only prior relationship in the MCU as written is that he shot her twice before that.

Yes, Stan has been outspoken in wanting that relationship, just as he's outspoken in wanting to be Captain America. He probably also would like the Evans Cap paycheck that comes with it, or better yet RDJs. None of that is a reason let alone proof we/re getting Bucky the emo parent murderer as the next Captain America let alone one in a solo Cap movie.

I never said what I listed was proof it was GOING to happen. I'm saying that they've done alot of the heavy lifting to set it up if they WANTED it to happen.

Also, we don't have to have an "emo" Bucky.

It's funny how folks keep pointing to Bucky murdering Stark's parents, but have no problem rooting for him as the Winter Soldier.

In my scenario, the point of the movie would be about redemption, which is essentially what ALOT of Marvel movies have been about. Thor redeeming himself from his selfish ways, Stark his warmongering, Strange his ego/pride, etc etc.

Anywho, my whole point is that it COULD happen and I think it MIGHT. Never said it will so please, anyone else, don't argue with me about how it's NOT going to happen. None of us is Kevin Feige.

 

[javonstokess]

I honestly could not have said it any better than these guys. I can understand why comic-book fans might be upset with those kind of changes, because of how inaccurate it is, but you guys need to be prepared in case you are setting your expectations too high regarding certain characters. Thanos is no exception either. From what I have read when Iron Man gets punched in the face in the first trailer he shouldn't even be alive afterwards and the same goes for when he slams Spider-Man into the ground. Hell just look at how some people are reacting to that bit at the end of the new trailer where Cap catches his Gauntlet hand that has two Infinity Stones in it? I am crazy hyped for this movie, but its not going to be comic book accurate in any way, shape or form outside of maybe a few things regarding his origin.

Hell, even in the comics, some one of Thanos strength has punched Cap and he hasn't died either.

 

[Pennywise]

Btw, that hole of destruction in front of Wanda....what if Thor did that? There are some dark clouds to the left.

That would be so awesome!

 

[Flash525]

And yet, according to Feige, a large part of their success has been sticking to the source material when they can.

And yet, there have been substantial differences between the MCU and the Comics.

The Comics have Mutants, the MCU does not.

The Comics had Ant Man as an original Avengers, the MCU did not.

The Comics had Hank Pym create Ultron, the MCU had Stark & Banner.

In the Comics, Tasha is genetically enhanced, in the MCU, she's just skilled.

In the Comics, Quill's Dad is some intergalactic Spartan warlord. In the MCU, his Dad is a Celestial.

These are just some of the differences that I could think of off-hand, so where does Bucky as the next Captain America fit into this model? Why is Bucky picking up the Shield any more relevant than anything else posted here? The answer - it isn't. A select few individuals want it to happen, and so are lobbying it. That's all.

 

[Flash525]

If the movie really does work like a traditional heist film, then things are not what they seem. Meaning, especially: Thanos' plan is not what it appears to be, on the surface.

For example, he appears to be trying to take the stones by force, but really it is a ruse, and he intends to acquire them some other way. (I'm just speaking hypothetically.)

The real plan might not become clear until late in the film.

That fits with the idea that Thanos is always one step ahead of the heroes, and it would explain the extra care with spoilers, etc.

So, it wouldn't surprise me if the 3rd act of the film has that type of heist film-style revelation in it.

I really do hope there's a crap load of twists and turns in this film that nobody sees coming. Some elements of it, such as Loki exchanging the Space Stone for Thor's life (and likely dying in the process) seems inevitable, but I'd love to think that we've not even begun to scratch the surface.

 

[Marvel united]

Same here, I'll be fine with Cap, Falcon, Black Widow, AND Wanda (must have atleast one high powered charactered) defeating Proxima or Corvus.

But not two. Them getting defeated by weak heroes just sucks and really takes away from the threat. Why should there be any tension for the audience if these dudes have already been whooped by Widow and Falcon? (NORMAL humans) f they can defeat them, imagine what Hulk of Stark would do to then.

They should be barely escaping with their lives. They are a normal humans going up against some of the deadliest warriors in the Galaxy. And the Vision is not "Inexperienced" fighter. He is not human, he never needed to train to no how to defeat Ultron or use the Mind Ben. He is simple above Capx Widow and Falcon and him being taken out by Proxima and Glaive should put them well above their power level.

I could break down the argument about Wanda being inexperienced doesn't matter whatsoever and how it isn't really true anymore but I'm at work typing this out, don't have time.

 

[Abudefduf]

New international spot... at least I think it's new.

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Black Panther b****-slapping an Outrider is everything.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But not two. Them getting defeated by weak heroes just sucks and really takes away from the threat. Why should there be any tension for the audience if these dudes have already been whooped by Widow and Falcon? (NORMAL humans) f they can defeat them, imagine what Hulk of Stark would do to then.

They should be barely escaping with their lives. They are a normal humans going up against some of the deadliest warriors in the Galaxy. And the Vision is not "Inexperienced" fighter. He is not human, he never needed to train to no how to defeat Ultron or use the Mind Ben. He is simple above Capx Widow and Falcon and him being taken out by Proxima and Glaive should put them well above their power level.

I could break down the argument about Wanda being inexperienced doesn't matter whatsoever and how it isn't really true anymore but I'm at work typing this out, don't have time.

There can be a multitude of factors going into this. For example, Scarlet Witch we know can beat Vision. But, Captain America can beat her. It's not necessarily an issue of level as match up. Scarlet Witch matches up with Vision in a way Cap cannot, but she is weak in a way Cap can exploit. I assume the same is true here. Likely, Vision and Wanda are blind sided and Proxima and Corvus likely have weapons that exploit Vision's weaknesses.

I don't have a problem with it.