Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 3

[Wylie Times]

Black Panther solo will be like Civil War. I believe, at the very least, it'll feature Team Cap. Panther will be the main character, but I expect Cap, Hawkeye, Wanda, Ant-Man, And Falcon to be there.

Kevin Feige has stated that Black Panther will have a predominantly Black cast (African Americans and Africans). Klaw and Everett K Ross are basically locks to be in it, you throw in the Avengers and the film ceases to to have a predominantly black cast.

The mid credits scene only said that Bucky was being stored in Wakanda, nothing was said about the Avengers hiding there or operating out of Wakanda.

Black Panther has his own supporting cast that needs to be introduced and developed, not to mention Wakanda itself needs to be fleshed out and developed as it's basically a character unto itself.

 

[The_Manhunter]

So what are the rosters at the end of the movie? Is BP now Team Cap? And Natasha? She seemed to support the registration, but made a one-time exception with Steve and Bucky. But the government will be after he anyways, so she will be Team Cap. At least that's how I see it.

Might Avengers (Team Iron Man)
- Iron Man
- Vision
- War Machine
- Black Panther
- Spider-Man
- Doctor Strange (when he gets recruited)

Secret Avengers (Team Cap)
- Captain America
- Black Widow
- Hawkeye
- Scarlet Witch
- Falcon
- Ant-Man

Bucky is out of the equation. BP seems to be his own man - agreeing with Tony (for that reason I kept him on Team Iron Man) but assisting Bucky and Cap because it is the right thing to do. I would guess that any new Avengers will be recruited by the government until at the earliest IW Part 1.

 

[marshal99]

So what are the rosters at the end of the movie? Is BP now Team Cap? And Natasha? She seemed to support the registration, but made a one-time exception with Steve and Bucky. But the government will be after he anyways, so she will be Team Cap. At least that's how I see it.

Might Avengers (Team Iron Man)
- Iron Man
- Vision
- War Machine
- Black Panther
- Spider-Man
- Doctor Strange (when he gets recruited)

Secret Avengers (Team Cap)
- Captain America
- Black Widow
- Hawkeye
- Scarlet Witch
- Falcon
- Ant-Man

Bucky is out of the equation. BP seems to be his own man - agreeing with Tony (for that reason I kept him on Team Iron Man) but assisting Bucky and Cap because it is the right thing to do. I would guess that any new Avengers will be recruited by the government until at the earliest IW Part 1.

No , BP is neutral party after all this , he's the king of wakanda now and he was only on team ironman to go only after bucky in the first place because he thought bucky killed his father.

 

[hafizbat]

It's going to be a sweet sweet moment when Earth's Mightiest Heroes assemble again to face Thanos.

I don't know how long ago they planned Civil War, but it looks like they did it at the perfect moment, disassembling the Avengers right before the final threat arrives to unite them once again. Can't wait to see how the rest of the Phase 3 movies, especially Ragnarok, further set the stage for Infinity War.

 

[Nokio]

Kevin Feige has stated that Black Panther will have a predominantly Black cast (African Americans and Africans). Klaw and Everett K Ross are basically locks to be in it, you throw in the Avengers and the film ceases to to have a predominantly black cast.

The mid credits scene only said that Bucky was being stored in Wakanda, nothing was said about the Avengers hiding there or operating out of Wakanda.

Black Panther has his own supporting cast that needs to be introduced and developed, not to mention Wakanda itself needs to be fleshed out and developed as it's basically a character unto itself.

Agreed but I actually wouldn't mind Bucky being in the film. I can also see Disney not having enough faith in an all Black cast film with a high budget so they'd want some Avengers in there like Cap and some of the other members of team Cap.

 

[The_Manhunter]

No , BP is neutral party after all this , he's the king of wakanda now and he was only on team ironman to go only after bucky in the first place because he thought bucky killed his father.

Well he did outwardly support the Accords before his father was killed.

 

[Wylie Times]

Agreed but I actually wouldn't mind Bucky being in the film. I can also see Disney not having enough faith in an all Black cast film with a high budget so they'd want some Avengers in there like Cap and some of the other members of team Cap.

I don't think Coogler or Boseman would participate in the film if that was something Disney had planned.

With that said I think Disney and Marvel have more faith in the property than that. They REALLY sold Black Panther in Civil War as a character and people are now clamoring for his solo film. It'd be bad look if they did something like that with Black Panther's solo when they haven't done that with any other characters solo debut.

 

[Wylie Times]

No , BP is neutral party after all this , he's the king of wakanda now and he was only on team ironman to go only after bucky in the first place because he thought bucky killed his father.

T'Challa was never really on Team Ironman. He was just there to kill Bucky.

His stance on the Accords was plainly stated during his intro. He's in favor of the Accords, but he doesn't like the politics that are involved.

T'Challa rules his own country, he's never going to be ok with the idea of a private military force disregarding the sovereignty of other nations.

He's helping out Bucky because he feels bad for trying to kill him and he realizes Bucky is a much of a victim as T'Chaka was. That doesn't change the fact that Wanda and Steve screwed up and killed 11 Wakandans, or that Steve's team feels they don't have to respect borders or local authorities.

 

[Wylie Times]

For those insisting the Avengers will or should be part of the Black Panther solo film, here's a quote from the films producer Nate Moore:

The Black Panther standalone movie now gets to explore the world of Wakanda, the most technologically advanced nation in the heart of Africa, which is amazing. It’s really compelling, and Black Panther has a great cast of characters around him that’s really interesting.

So it gets to be a movie that is going to be a predominantly black cast, whether it’s African American or African, on sort of the scale that you don’t get to see all the time. For us, it’s Mission Impossible; it is a globe-trotting, action-adventure movie, but with really interesting casting. Ryan Coogler, who is directing it, is super talented and I think sees this film as an opportunity not only to really entertain but also to tackle some really interesting issues.

Source

hat tip to Lencho01 for sharing the articles in other thread.

 

[dyl1dyl]

Character Screentimes Rounded to the Nearest 1/4 Minute (From IMDB)

Captain America - 36:00
Iron Man - 33:45
Winter Soldier - 21:00
Black Widow - 11:45
Falcon - 10:30
Black Panther - 10:15
Scarlet Witch - 10:00
Baron Zemo - 9:15
Spider-Man - 8:30
Vision - 7:15
War Machine - 6:00
Ant-Man - 4:45
Hawkeye - 4:45
Sharon Carter - 3:45
Thunderbolt Ross - 3:15
Crossbones - 1:45
Everett Ross - 1:15
Aunt May - 1:00

 

[Mike5575]

Kevin Feige has stated that Black Panther will have a predominantly Black cast (African Americans and Africans). Klaw and Everett K Ross are basically locks to be in it, you throw in the Avengers and the film ceases to to have a predominantly black cast.

The mid credits scene only said that Bucky was being stored in Wakanda, nothing was said about the Avengers hiding there or operating out of Wakanda.

Black Panther has his own supporting cast that needs to be introduced and developed, not to mention Wakanda itself needs to be fleshed out and developed as it's basically a character unto itself.

Pretty much this. I tell people the same thing about Captain Marvel. It would be an injustice and frankly very disrespectful to the character by turning his film into some sort of quasi-Avengers film. T'Challa has his own story that needs to be told. It wouldn't even work out from a storytelling perspective since T'Challa and Wakanda would have nothing to gain by harboring a bunch of known fugitives.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

BP's solo film should really be mainly showcasing him and putting the Avengers there will sidetrack that. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with CA and his team in the intervening years between CW and IW1.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm sure a brief mention that Cap and everyone left Wakanda will surface in the movie. Or they may just leave it out and let everyone assume they left.

 

[StormC]

Just saw it a second time, both times in IMAX, this time without 3D. Still just as incredible; my mom loved it despite not being caught up on the MCU. Gonna see it a third time in a regular theater and probably call it a day. I worry after that I'll make the film stale; home video is where I'll watch it until I memorize every frame and beat.

Captain America - 36:00
Iron Man - 33:45
Winter Soldier - 21:00
Black Widow - 11:45
Falcon - 10:30
Black Panther - 10:15
Scarlet Witch - 10:00
Baron Zemo - 9:15
Spider-Man - 8:30
Vision - 7:15
War Machine - 6:00
Ant-Man - 4:45
Hawkeye - 4:45
Sharon Carter - 3:45
Thunderbolt Ross - 3:15
Crossbones - 1:45
Everett Ross - 1:15
Aunt May - 1:00

Thanks for this, I knew Vulture did a screentime count for the Avengers films but I didn't find one for this. Despite screentime, I'd say the major characters are Cap, Iron Man, Bucky, Black Panther, and Zemo in that order, with everyone else being a minor character.

 

[Herolee10]

You know, I will say that one of the things that I love about the Russos is how dangerous they actually make their villains come off in their films.

Maybe it's more of a preference in style for me, but I love on how much real and gritty the action sequences feel in their films (WS & CW), where even the mercenaries come off as credible threats and aren't discarded like one note jokes.

 

[StormC]

Hah, Spider-Man has almost exactly the same screentime as Vision in AOU (Vulture has Vision at 8:40 for that film). I called it a while ago that he would be the equivalent of Vision to this movie, though he made a much bigger impression in the same amount of screentime.

Maybe it's more of a preference in style for me, but I love on how much real and gritty the action sequences feel in their films (WS & CW), where even the mercenaries come off as credible threats and aren't discarded like one note jokes.

Agreed 100%. Scenes like Zemo breaking into the HYDRA guy's house or Bucky and Cap fighting off the SWAT team feels like stuff out of a crime thriller. After Infinity Wars, the blockbuster industry will be their oyster IMO.

 

[Wylie Times]

Character Screentimes Rounded to the Nearest 1/4 Minute (From IMDB)

Captain America - 36:00
Iron Man - 33:45
Winter Soldier - 21:00
Black Widow - 11:45
Falcon - 10:30
Black Panther - 10:15
Scarlet Witch - 10:00
Baron Zemo - 9:15
Spider-Man - 8:30
Vision - 7:15
War Machine - 6:00
Ant-Man - 4:45
Hawkeye - 4:45
Sharon Carter - 3:45
Thunderbolt Ross - 3:15
Crossbones - 1:45
Everett Ross - 1:15
Aunt May - 1:00

This amuses me because I remember people insisting that Spider-Man had between 20 to 30 mins of screen time.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

Character Screentimes Rounded to the Nearest 1/4 Minute (From IMDB)

Captain America - 36:00
Iron Man - 33:45
Winter Soldier - 21:00
Black Widow - 11:45
Falcon - 10:30
Black Panther - 10:15
Scarlet Witch - 10:00
Baron Zemo - 9:15
Spider-Man - 8:30
Vision - 7:15
War Machine - 6:00
Ant-Man - 4:45
Hawkeye - 4:45
Sharon Carter - 3:45
Thunderbolt Ross - 3:15
Crossbones - 1:45
Everett Ross - 1:15
Aunt May - 1:00

No way..BP only had 2 more minutes of screentime than Spidey?? I felt his presence sooo much more.

 

[StormC]

BP's screentime is more spread out and he gets more emotional/plot-heavy scenes. Spidey is mostly comic relief and concentrated into the airport fight.

This amuses me because I remember people insisting that Spider-Man had between 20 to 30 mins of screen time.

Yeah, but I can kinda understand it because he leaves such a memorable impression on the audience. I would have liked an extra scene of Peter interacting with Team Iron Man before they get to the airport. Maybe a deleted scene.

 

[Voltron]

Character Screentimes Rounded to the Nearest 1/4 Minute (From IMDB)

Captain America - 36:00
Iron Man - 33:45
Winter Soldier - 21:00
Black Widow - 11:45
Falcon - 10:30
Black Panther - 10:15
Scarlet Witch - 10:00
Baron Zemo - 9:15
Spider-Man - 8:30
Vision - 7:15
War Machine - 6:00
Ant-Man - 4:45
Hawkeye - 4:45
Sharon Carter - 3:45
Thunderbolt Ross - 3:15
Crossbones - 1:45
Everett Ross - 1:15
Aunt May - 1:00

Most of these might be incorrect because Sharon Carter had 4.5 minutes of screen time. I know because I timed it myself.

 

[Venom'sDad]

^ Hmmm...sound like a stalker

 

[Ninjablade]

Captain America and Iron Man's numbers seem really low. Vulture clocked their AOU times and Cap had 50 minutes and Tony had 45. Seems a little odd that in Steve's own movie he's in it a lot less than a movie he has to share with about 7 other major cast members where they're all the main characters.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Had no idea its suppose to be a magical metal. Nice. I really am enjoying learning more about BP. Very excited to see his solo.

I should clarify that I was being figurative. But it is a metal that lets you do anything you want. Officially, it absorbs sound, but it can also transform people into monsters if Jack Kirby is writing the story.

Hah, Spider-Man has almost exactly the same screentime as Vision in AOU (Vulture has Vision at 8:40 for that film). I called it a while ago that he would be the equivalent of Vision to this movie, though he made a much bigger impression in the same amount of screentime.

Yeah, that was my prediction for the amount of time (although I was ballparking how long Vision was in AoU, so I guessed 15 minutes). Essentially, two big scenes (Viz technically had a third at the end with Ultron and, I guess Spider-Man has the post-credits scene).

 

[Brian Braddock]

Anyone remember the woman who appeared to be some part of T'Challa's security detail who ordered BW to move? Is she a character of particular importance [from the comics] or just a throwaway character invented for the movie? She was statuesque, to say the least and, as T'Challa said about the prospect of seeing her go up against BW (''that, I would like to see'') intimating that she can definitely handle herself. Colour me intrigued.

 

[Havok83]

I feel bad for Hawkeye. His wife is probably so pissed that he got arrested and will now be a fugitive.

why feel bad for him? Feel bad for his wife and kids. Hawkeye got what he deserved really