Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 3

[JtheDreamer]

Bucky uses it to deflect bullets. It's clearly super strong, but Spidey didn't break a sweat catching his punch, and Tony....well if we didn't know before how powerful Tony's repulsor blasts are, we do now.

Speaking of which. That means Tony's arc blast could destroy Cap's shield.

I didn't notice it the first time around, but upon second viewing BP's ring has a strange reaction to Bucky's arm. It happened when they were fighting near the staircase of the headquarters in Berlin - i.e. his arm is Vibranium as well.

This is all kind of ironic given that his arc blast couldn't destroy the Vibranium core in AOU.

 

[MrSpyder]

Will see it again tomorrow for the fourth time, still the best movie this year for me.

 

[Mjölnir]

Speaking of which. That means Tony's arc blast could destroy Cap's shield.

I didn't notice it the first time around, but upon second viewing BP's ring has a strange reaction to Bucky's arm. It happened when they were fighting near the staircase of the headquarters in Berlin - i.e. his arm is Vibranium as well.

This is all kind of ironic given that his arc blast couldn't destroy the Vibranium core in AOU.

Why would it mean that the arm is vibranium? Aren't you the guy that questioned that Black Panther's ship has stealth technology just because it's not stated out right, but here you're claiming that some minor thing about his ring would mean that Bucky's arm is vibranium, despite the performance of the arm clearly saying otherwise?

 

[Wylie Times]

Speaking of which. That means Tony's arc blast could destroy Cap's shield.

I didn't notice it the first time around, but upon second viewing BP's ring has a strange reaction to Bucky's arm. It happened when they were fighting near the staircase of the headquarters in Berlin - i.e. his arm is Vibranium as well.

This is all kind of ironic given that his arc blast couldn't destroy the Vibranium core in AOU.

Bucky's arm is not Vibranium. It wouldn't have gotten blown off by Tony's arc blast if it was. Ultron just had a coating of Vibranium and it withstood a combination of a blast from Thors hammer, repulsor blasts from Tony, and a blast from the mind stone.

Cap's shield has been shown to deflect repulsor blast, A blow from Thor's hammer, weapons powered by the Tesseract, and blasts from Loki's staff (which housed the mind stone.

I have no idea what was gong on with that scene with the ring, but it's wasn't because Bucky's arm is made of Virbranium (because it isn't). We saw Bucky's arm come into contact with vibranium numerous times and it not have that affect.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Why would it mean that the arm is vibranium? Aren't you the guy that questioned that Black Panther's ship has stealth technology just because it's not stated out right, but here you're claiming that some minor thing about his ring would mean that Bucky's arm is vibranium, despite the performance of the arm clearly saying otherwise?

Watch it again. There is a physical reaction. This isn't just me guessing about technologies BP may or may not have that the story didn't do anything to suggest.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I have no idea what was gong on with that scene with the ring, but it's wasn't because Bucky's arm is made of Virbranium (because it isn't). We saw Bucky's arm come into contact with vibranium numerous times and it not have that affect.

That could also be inconsistencies in the writing between movies.

 

[Mjölnir]

Watch it again. There is a physical reaction. This isn't just me guessing about technologies BP may or may not have that the story didn't do anything to suggest.

So exactly what in the story says that the ring detects vibranium?

 

[Wylie Times]

Watch it again. There is a physical reaction. This isn't just me guessing about technologies BP may or may not have that the story didn't do anything to suggest.

The problem with this is that you're assuming the ring (and Bucky's arm) is made of Vibranium and it's not at all stated to be the case.

We've seen Bucky's cybernetic arm come into contact with Virbranium on numerous occasions and it not have that affect. At one point in The Winter Soldier Cap used his shield to damage the arm, We see Black Panther (in a suit made of Vibranium) twist the arm away, he also claws at it during the fight on the rooftop.

Hell, going by your theory Panther wouldn't have been able to scratch Cap's shield because the Vibraniim objects would have repelled each other or had whatever that reaction was.


As for Panther's Jet, yeah it has stealth technology. Wakanda is the most technologically advanced nation on the planet, and we saw that Tony didn't notice T'Challa jet following him.

 

[JtheDreamer]

So exactly what in the story says that the ring is there to find vibranium?

I didn't say its explicit purpose is there to find other Vibranium.

 

[Mjölnir]

I didn't say its explicit purpose is there to find other Vibranium.

Good post. Lets not spend any time clarifying our points if we think it's been gotten wrong.

 

[JtheDreamer]

The problem with this is that you're assuming the ring (and Bucky's arm) is made of Vibranium and it's not at all stated to be the case.

We've seen Bucky's cybernetic arm come into contact with Virbranium on numerous occasions and it not have that affect. At one point in The Winter Soldier Cap used his shield to damage the arm, We see Black Panther (in a suit made of Vibranium) twist the arm away, he also claws at it during the fight on the rooftop.

Hell, going by your theory Panther wouldn't have been able to scratch Cap's shield because the Vibraniim objects would have repelled each other or had whatever that reaction was.

Cap only slightly damaged Bucky's arm, when normally Cap could tear through something with that shield - like the Ultron bots.

I fully realize nothing is "stated" in the movie - which is my issue with various sequences in the film.

However, it was pretty clear there was a magnetic reaction between the two items. Not far fetched to assume a man coming from a continent which produces Vibranium, would have a ring fashioned from it that used to belong to his father.

As for Panther's Jet, yeah it has stealth technology. Wakanda is the most technologically advanced nation on the planet, and we saw that Tony didn't notice T'Challa jet following him.

You're preaching to me "comic book" lore, not what is depicted in the actual film. Nowhere in CW is there even a hint that it's the most technologically savvy continent in the world.

 

[Mjölnir]

Cap only slightly damaged Bucky's arm, when normally Cap could tear through something with that shield - like the Ultron bots.

I fully realize nothing is "stated" in the movie - which is my issue with various sequences in the film.

However, it was pretty clear there was a magnetic reaction between the two items. Not far fetched to assume a man coming from a continent which produces Vibranium, would have a ring fashioned from it that used to belong to his father.

Where does the movie say that vibranium is magnetic? Also why doesn't more of the suit other than the ring have this supposed reaction? All of BP's suit is vibranium and therefor must have the same effect for your theory to work. I don't remember any magnetic reaction between the shield and the arm either.

This is far less viable than the assumption that a ship that IM doesn't detect has some form of stealth technology.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Where does the movie say that vibranium is magnetic? Also why doesn't more of the suit other than the ring have this supposed reaction? All of BP's suit is vibranium and therefor must have the same effect for your theory to work. I don't remember any magnetic reaction between the shield and the arm either.

It doesn't "say". It shows an actual physical magnetic reaction to Buck's arm. The movie goes out of the way to show us that.

This is far less viable than the assumption that a ship that IM doesn't detect has some form of stealth technology, to put it mildly.

That scene would have benefited from a simple switch on the dash of the jet showing stealth mode. Otherwise it defies everything we've learned of Stark's technologies to this point.

 

[Wylie Times]

Cap only slightly damaged Bucky's arm, when normally Cap could tear through something with that shield - like the Ultron bots.

I fully realize nothing is "stated" in the movie - which is my issue with various sequences in the film.

However, it was pretty clear there was a magnetic reaction between the two items. Not far fetched to assume a man coming from a continent which produces Vibranium, would have a ring fashioned from it that used to belong to his father.

I'm not discounting the fact that there was some sort of reaction, but Bucky's arm is NOT Vibranium.

Again, we see Bucky's arm come into contact with Vibranium on many occasions and it not have that reaction. Bucky's arm wouldn't have been blown off by Tony's arc blast if it was made of Vibranium.

You're preaching to me "comic book" lore, not what is depicted in the actual film. Nowhere in CW is there even a hint that it's the most technologically savvy continent in the world.

No, I'm telling you what the producer of Civil War and Black Panther has said:

I think [Civil War] does a great job introducing the character and making him somebody you’re immediately interested in and want to know more about. The Black Panther standalone movie now gets to explore the world of Wakanda, the most technologically advanced nation in the heart of Africa, which is amazing. It’s really compelling, and Black Panther has a great cast of characters around him that’s really interesting.

Source

 

[Mjölnir]

It doesn't "say". It shows an actual physical magnetic reaction to Buck's arm. The movie goes out of the way to show us that.

The logical reaction to seeing a magnetic reaction would be to assume that there's iron involved, not vibranium.

That scene would have benefited from a simple switch on the dash of the jet showing stealth mode. Otherwise it defies everything we've learned of Stark's technologies to this point.

It doesn't defy anything as the assumption is still the same. It's just a matter of how obvious it is, not of what it is.

 

[Wylie Times]

That scene would have benefited from a simple switch on the dash of the jet showing stealth mode. Otherwise it defies everything we've learned of Stark's technologies to this point.

No it just shows that Wakandan tech is better. Again, they're the most technologically advanced nation on the planet. They pretty much have to be ahead of everyone else to explain why their nation has been able to remain unconquered for so long and hold on to their vibranium.

 

[JtheDreamer]

No, I'm telling you what the producer of Civil War and Black Panther has said:

Source

I understand what they said - however it's not in the movie. Which was to my point earlier of why the sequence was lacking. General audiences don't know the comic book for the most part and they don't read the interviews like we do.

 

[Just_Human]

Amazing movie


BP was fantastic, so was Spidey


Wakanda looks gorgeaous


I noticed a nice call back to another MCU movie :

In IM2, Stark tells Fury his dad never told him he loved him; when Stark is showing his memories at the MIT, younger him tells his dad he loves him but Stark Sr doesn't say anything

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think the cue for myself was that BP's jet looked like a stealth aircraft. To me it just did, in the sense of what I expect from a sci fi universe.

 

[Hypestyle]

So did the ending possibly offer a setup for the US Agent to be introduced?


Cap abandons his shield with Iron man.

were ALL the secret Winter soldier recruits killed? is it possible at least one more remains?

IF not, if the bodies have not been destroyed, then the US government could recruit someone like John Walker to be the "new" Captain America aka US Agent-- the scientists can extract DNA/blood samples from the bodies of the super soldier corpses, and concoct a new super soldier serum.

The new US Agent would be given Cap's shield and used as an official spec ops soldier for US interests.

 

[samsnee]

We don't know enough about Panther's ring or Bucky's arm to confirm if there is a vibranium connection. Everything is an assumption otherwise.

 

[hafizbat]

Bucky's arm isn't vibranium. Nuff said.

Iron Man's armor deflects bullets and a ton of other damage with no issues and gives Tony enhanced strength, and it's most definitely not Vibranium. Bucky's arm is probably most similar to Iron Man armor in durability.

 

[Just_Human]

 

[Muze]

the ring is Antarctic vibranium.

 

[C. Lee]

I can't read everything, so don't know if anyone else has mentioned this or not.....the stuff Winter Soldier takes from Howard Stark's trunk that turns the soldiers into super soldiers.....what's the chances it is Kree blood?