Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 3

[ctsketch]

HHAHAHAHA OMG! These memes were just what I needed today after a friend committed suicide earlier this week. Keep em coming!

 

[craigaat]

I thought there was far too much unnecessary CGI, and not enough Cap. This was Avengers 2.5, not Captain America 3. Ant-Man and Spider-Man were great, though. Overall I'd say this movie was overrated, but still a solid 7/10.

 

[Schlosser85]

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[Schlosser85]

I thought there was far too much unnecessary CGI, and not enough Cap. This was Avengers 2.5, not Captain America 3. Ant-Man and Spider-Man were great, though. Overall I'd say this movie was overrated, but still a solid 7/10.

It really was, for all intents and purposes, another Avengers movie.

I still rate The Winter Soldier higher because it had a much more focused plot and tighter pace, mostly because it was firmly Cap's story with a small ensemble of supporting characters who all related to Cap in some way.

Civil War had an excess of fan service (look, it's Ant-Man! ermagherd Spider-Man! Plus the entire airport battle was fan ******* fodder)

It's still hella fun, but it gets a little bogged down.

 

[OopsWhat89]

It really was, for all intents and purposes, another Avengers movie.

I still rate The Winter Soldier higher because it had a much more focused plot and tighter pace, mostly because it was firmly Cap's story with a small ensemble of supporting characters who all related to Cap in some way.

Civil War had an excess of fan service (look, it's Ant-Man! ermagherd Spider-Man! Plus the entire airport battle was fan ******* fodder)

It's still hella fun, but it gets a little bogged down.

Fan service in a team-up comic book film, who knew!

 

[zephyrinthesky]

Fan service in a team-up comic book film, who knew!

Personally, given the choice between fan service or better-done plot/character arcs, I'd choose the latter. Marvel has done a great job of making audiences relate to these heroes as people, and many of the most powerful scenes in the films have been the quieter character moments. The MCU has such a great cast - let THEM sell the movies, instead of the VFX/art department.

 

[JB33]

HHAHAHAHA OMG! These memes were just what I needed today after a friend committed suicide earlier this week. Keep em coming!

Geez, I'm sorry to hear that. Hope you're holding up okay. Thoughts are with your friend's family as well.

 

[Endeavor]

LOL

loving the memes

 

[JtheDreamer]

Personally, given the choice between fan service or better-done plot/character arcs, I'd choose the latter.

Me too. I'm hoping they stay true to their word when they said Thor: Ragnarok would be the CA: TWS of Phase 3.

 

[kguillou]

Eh, I respectfully disagree that this was Avengers 2.5. This movie felt like Captain America 3. 90% of the movie was told through his point of view. Certain scenes shifted focus to other characters but thats normal for any movie. The protagonist doesn't have to be in every scene. Scenes can focus on other characters that center around the main character and have mini arcs of their own. Tony and the Avengers were supporting characters in this movie. If this were Avengers 2.5, the movie's center arc would not have revolved around Cap but rather the team as a whole.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Eh, I respectfully disagree that this was Avengers 2.5. This movie felt like Captain America 3. 90% of the movie was told through his point of view. Certain scenes shifted focus to other characters but thats normal for any movie. The protagonist doesn't have to be in every scene. Scenes can focus on other characters that center around the main character and have mini arcs of their own. Tony and the Avengers were supporting characters in this movie. If this were Avengers 2.5, the movie's center arc would not have revolved around Cap but rather the team as a whole.

90%? How the heck do you come up with a figure like that?

He and Tony basically split the most screen time of the entire film. It also is required legitimate time to explore BP's arc, as well as Bucky's - they're not even the villain. It's a Cap film that requires him to take a back seat to all the new players and arcs being re-visited. It's a bigger movie than AOU from that perspective.

A tride and true Cap movie would have been more condensed and not have a co-lead. This one functions in name as a Cap movie, but ultimately as another opportunity for Marvel to shell out a huge ensemble Avengers-style flick to make that $$$$$.

 

[kguillou]

Ok, maybe...80%? lol

I mean, I dunno, the movie felt like it was centered on Cap to me. Or rather Cap and Bucky. They were the throughline throughout the entire movie. Tony's trying to convince Cap to register. BP's after Bucky but Cap is protecting him. Cap and Bucky go on the run. Cap and Bucky have to go confront Zemo. You wouldn't get that kind of throughline focus if this was an Avengers film. I think it's very justified that this is labeled "Captain America: Civil War." Yes, Tony got a lot of screen time but this movie didn't FEEL like it was about him, despite the fact that there were some significant developments in his story.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Interesting thoughts. Personally I thought the whole "civil war" storyline (by which I mean the whole team Cap/team IM, Sokovia Accords stuff) was just there to get us to the big airport fight at the end of the second act. The tell is that after the fight, all that stuff is basically thrown overboard. Instead, the third act is the conclusion to "Captain America: Fathers and Sons" which is a story about Tony Stark and T'Challa and the opposite ways they respond to the deaths of their fathers.

For the record, I enjoyed the heck out of both movies.

 

[JB33]

Captain America and Iron Man may almost have the same amount of screen time, but the thing is MOST of Tony Stark/Iron Man's scenes revolved around Captain America. Ever since he was confronted by the woman by the elevator, his presence in the film was devoted to being on the pro side of the Accords and then eventually trying to stop Bucky and bring Captain America and his team in. It's not like he's just doing his own thing and hogging time in the movie. He's pretty much always reacting to whatever Steve Rogers/Captain America does.

 

[Anita18]

OMG you're a monster.

 

[Anita18]

Captain America and Iron Man may almost have the same amount of screen time, but the thing is MOST of Tony Stark/Iron Man's scenes revolved around Captain America. Ever since he was confronted by the woman by the elevator, his presence in the film was devoted to being on the pro side of the Accords and then eventually trying to stop Bucky and bring Captain America and his team in. It's not like he's just doing his own thing and hogging time in the movie. He's pretty much always reacting to whatever Steve Rogers/Captain America does.

That's a good point. I never really felt that Tony was driving anything.

 

[TJByrum]

The movie was fun, and one of the better Marvel movies. But I'd have much preferred a movie about Cap leading the New Avengers throughout the movie with "where's Bucky?" as the central plot. The absence of Vision and War Machine at Lagos was disappointing.

Bucky was seconds away from defeating Iron Man at the end of the film; if not for Tony's chest beam, Bucky would have ended that fight. At least, however, we can expect Bucky to have a vibranium arm next time we see him (at least, I hope; it seems implied almost).

There's an Avengers cartoon, and on it they fight some android thing that reads and copies the combat styles and powers of the Avengers. No one can beat it, but Cap ends up beating it because he adapts and continuously changes his fighting technique and the android can't keep up. I think that would have been really cool to see him do at the end of Civil War, change his fighting style so Friday could not keep up.

I think my biggest gripe was that I just didn't buy into the heroes fighting each other. It's like Marvel decided to do that because of the marketing (or whatever), which you can't blame them for. I just really dislike the idea that these heroes were fighting each other, and would have preferred something much more different.

But as a Captain America fan, I'm glad Cap either equaled or beat Black Panther, Iron Man, War Machine, and Spider-man.

 

[DanielFM]

One question: did I miss it or they left out the "I was wrong about you. Everyone was wrong about you" line from the trailer?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

That's a good point. I never really felt that Tony was driving anything.

I don't know...

Spoiler

Tony's reaction to that mother with the dead son plays a big part in adopting the accords, his argument is what gets Widow, Rhoadey, Vision and Spidey on his side, his actions with regards to Wanda is what sets Cap totally off the U.N. sanctioning, he is part of the playing into the villain's plans on the Raft and of course later at the Russian base.

 

[FN-2187]

And it's during that Conversation when T'Challa talks about having considerable reasourcs, widow says it's took the the world seven years to find bucky and so he might be able to do it in half that time. Then T'Challa asks "You know where they are" and she responds "I know somebody who does"....

and I just saw the movie again a couple hours ago.

I must be slow because I can't figure out why she said seven years instead of two years. They started looking for Bucky 5 years before CA:TWS?

 

[Whatupman]

The movie was fun, and one of the better Marvel movies. But I'd have much preferred a movie about Cap leading the New Avengers throughout the movie with "where's Bucky?" as the central plot.

"Where's Bucky?" as the central plot? That's not a plot, though.

 

[AlluAllu]

I must be slow because I can't figure out why she said seven years instead of two years. They started looking for Bucky 5 years before CA:TWS?

I believe she said 70.

 

[Mjölnir]

Captain America and Iron Man may almost have the same amount of screen time, but the thing is MOST of Tony Stark/Iron Man's scenes revolved around Captain America. Ever since he was confronted by the woman by the elevator, his presence in the film was devoted to being on the pro side of the Accords and then eventually trying to stop Bucky and bring Captain America and his team in. It's not like he's just doing his own thing and hogging time in the movie. He's pretty much always reacting to whatever Steve Rogers/Captain America does.

Indeed. You can't just look at screen time and completely ignore what happens during that screen time.