The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Boom]

@Boom On that same note, I really hope Gunn sticks to a New 52 style for Batman’s costume. Gray fabric, continuous cape and cowl, thinner cowl like Battinson’s. I’m tired of all the rubber and “armor.” It’s a fantasy. We don’t need “realism” with these costumes, especially not in an elevated universe involving superpowers and all sorts of crazy technology. It hasn’t been needed in the comics or the cartoons; why is film any different?

Also, if you give Batman a thinner costume, it makes acrobatics more realistic, something we probably haven’t seen portrayed because Film Batman is often lumbering around under 50-100 lbs of foam rubber. As for realism, I can accept that Wayne has enough resources that he can fabricate a lightweight but generally protective material.

I want Gunn to go all the way. No more excuses. The time is now.

 

[DKDetective]

On a different note, I read online today that Corenswet is actually 6'6 and not 6'4 as previously thought.

He is going to look massive on film.

That might just be an error by his trainer and/or GQ.

 

[flickchick85]

That might just be an error by his trainer and/or GQ.

That’s what I suspect. That said, while short actors regularly fudge their height upwards in all “official” outlets, tall actors (say over 6’3”) also regularly fudge their heights downward because being “too tall” can lose people just as many opportunities as being “too short” in Hollywood. Nobody wants supporting players towering over their leads unless that’s part of the character description. So it wouldn’t surprise me if David’s official height of 6’4” was fudged toward the lower end. Still, he looks right around 6’4” to me in photos so I do expect this is a typo or something.

 

[Boom]

He doesn't look similar in height to Jacob Elordi (6'7") so I'm inclined to think this is an error by his trainer.

 

[Babillygunn]

I want Gunn to go all the way. No more excuses. The time is now.

I would be over the moon if we got this.

Coincidentally, I would not be able to survive a fall from the moon, however, because I am not Batman.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Skyfall is one of the best Bond films despite the fact that Craig has an unflattering haircut and his suits fit horribly (the super skinny cut also make no sense for a character who represents the old way of doing things in the story).

Just looking up images of Craig, I'm not seeing anything particularly egregious about his fits. And a slim fitting does make sense. There's a misconception that tight suits are hard to move in, but the opposite is true. The higher the armholes, for example, the easier it is to move your arms above your head, something James Bond would definitely require as he's jumping off cliffs, holding onto platforms, etc.

 

[DKDetective]

Just looking up images of Craig, I'm not seeing anything particularly egregious about his fits. And a slim fitting does make sense. There's a misconception that tight suits are hard to move in, but the opposite is true. The higher the armholes, for example, the easier it is to move your arms above your head, something James Bond would definitely require as he's jumping off cliffs, holding onto platforms, etc.

Sorry, but you are dead wrong (armhole has nothing to do with whether a suit is slim fit or not and is more indicative of RTW vs MTM or bespoke tailoring). I literally wear Savile Row suits daily for work and know exactly how they should fit, especially when it comes to an English aesthetic. There is proper slim fitting suits like what Lazenby wore in OHMSS or what Craig himself wore in QOS and then there is the horrendous shrunken suit trend of the 2010s.

Craig's suits from Skyfall onwards are egregiously poorly fitted. They are constantly pulling at the waist, riding up, etc., which is not conductive to movement.

Pulling at the button when standing relaxed is a bad fit:

Jacket riding up and gaping at the chest because it is too tight and not moving with Craig's body:

Sleeves crumpling and riding up is once again a sign of a poor fit:

A jacket collar that stands away from the shirt collar is one of the most basic indications of a poor fit, it means the jacket collar and shoulders are not sitting properly):

Compare these to George Lazenby 's perfectly fitted bespoke slim cut suits remaining flawless in the middle of stunts and action sequences, including mid-leap:

 

[Art Vandelay]

Sorry, but you are dead wrong (armhole has nothing to do with whether a suit is slim fit or not and is more indicative of RTW vs MTM or bespoke tailoring). I literally wear Savile Row suits daily for work and know exactly how they should fit, especially when it comes to an English aesthetic. There is proper slim fitting suits like what Lazenby wore in OHMSS or what Craig himself wore in QOS and then there is the horrendous shrunken suit trend of the 2010s.

Craig's suits from Skyfall onwards are egregiously poorly fitted. They are constantly pulling at the waist, riding up, etc., which is not conductive to movement.

Pulling at the button when standing relaxed is a bad fit:

Jacket riding up and gaping at the chest because it is too tight and not moving with Craig's body:

Sleeves crumpling and riding up is once again a sign of a poor fit:

A jacket collar that stands away from the shirt collar is one of the most basic indications of a poor fit, it means the jacket collar and shoulders are not sitting properly):

Compare these to George Lazenby 's perfectly fitted bespoke slim cut suits remaining flawless in the middle of stunts and action sequences, including mid-leap:

I forgot you were a suit-head.

 

[DKDetective]

I forgot you were a suit-head.

There is nothing wrong with slim fit suits if done right. It was also an odd choice for thematic reasons. In Skyfall, Bond is portrayed as old-fashioned and contrasted with the young Q, but he dresses like a trendy hipster, rather than a mature gentleman.

And this doesn't even get into the baffling aesthetic choices, like the fussy tab collar (from the 1920s), single vent on his dinner jackets (which is just incorrect, dinner jackets should only have double vents or no vent), American-style three button jackets, or the bad rental features on his white dinner jacket in Spectre like satin faced lapels and a two button front (white dinner jackets never have silk facings and a single breasted dinner jacket should always have one-button on the front).

 

[Andrew92]

There is nothing wrong with slim fit suits if done right. It was also an odd choice for thematic reasons. In Skyfall, Bond is portrayed as old-fashioned and contrasted with the young Q, but he dresses like a trendy hipster, rather than a mature gentleman.

And this doesn't even get into the baffling aesthetic choices, like the fussy tab collar (from the 1920s), single vent on his dinner jackets (which is just incorrect, dinner jackets should only have double vents or no vent), American-style three button jackets, or the bad rental features on his white dinner jacket in Spectre like satin faced lapels and a two button front (white dinner jackets never have silk facings and a single breasted dinner jacket should always have one-button on the front).

Ralph Fiennes was the best dressed man in that movie.

 

[DKDetective]

Ralph Fiennes was the best dressed man in that movie.

100%. That was because he was wearing bespoke suits from Savile Row-trained tailor, Timothy Everest.

 

[Art Vandelay]

100%. That was because he was wearing bespoke suits from Savile Row-trained tailor, Timothy Everest.

Was Craig just wearing off the rack Tom Ford?

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Honestly, I didn't mind the TDK suit in the original reveal, but I came to really dislike it in the movie itself. A bad hero costume is an annoyance for me, but it obviously doesn't ruin the movie. Skyfall is one of the best Bond films despite the fact that Craig has an unflattering haircut and his suits fit horribly (the super skinny cut also make no sense for a character who represents the old way of doing things in the story).

I'll admit my reaction to this one is probably affected by the fact that I was so spoiled by The Batman, where not only are the characterizations spot-on but we have the best costume design in the history of the character (if not the genre). Jacqueline Durran is a genius and I really hope EON grabs her for the next Bond.

Hey, Craig's Bond hair was always on point you ****ing heathen, you barber blind philistine.

Funnily, I'm the opposite of you with the TDK suit. In still images it looks kinda lame to me but it's so functional in movement that in the actual flow of the film it looks mostly good. There are some gnarly close-ups on poor Bale though. It's probably inevitable that every actor is going to look dumb in the cowl in some shots because even Pattinson who got the best, least face mushy one looks like The Tick sometimes but Bale looks like his senile Grandma still think he's seven and is delightedly squishing his cheeks in her winkled old hands.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

That’s what I suspect. That said, while short actors regularly fudge their height upwards in all “official” outlets, tall actors (say over 6’3”) also regularly fudge their heights downward because being “too tall” can lose people just as many opportunities as being “too short” in Hollywood. Nobody wants supporting players towering over their leads unless that’s part of the character description. So it wouldn’t surprise me if David’s official height of 6’4” was fudged toward the lower end. Still, he looks right around 6’4” to me in photos so I do expect this is a typo or something.

If you're trying to get hired by James Gunn you best be honest about your height or he'll have a ****ing twitter meltdown that you don't live up to his male beauty standards and might force him to use basic cinematic tricks that have worked for a century!

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

TDK suit totally fits the aesthetic and vibe Nolan was going for in that film. And I personally can’t see the suit in isolation divorcing it from the film itself, because the overall package is just so pleasing to me.

Hopefully that’s the same deal with this Superman suit.

 

[Lily Adler]

That’s what I suspect. That said, while short actors regularly fudge their height upwards in all “official” outlets, tall actors (say over 6’3”) also regularly fudge their heights downward because being “too tall” can lose people just as many opportunities as being “too short” in Hollywood. Nobody wants supporting players towering over their leads unless that’s part of the character description. So it wouldn’t surprise me if David’s official height of 6’4” was fudged toward the lower end. Still, he looks right around 6’4” to me in photos so I do expect this is a typo or something.

Tom Cruise is 6'3'', FC. The Church of Scientology wouldn't lie.

 

[Invader Joker]

@Boom On that same note, I really hope Gunn sticks to a New 52 style for Batman’s costume. Gray fabric, continuous cape and cowl, thinner cowl like Battinson’s. I’m tired of all the rubber and “armor.” It’s a fantasy. We don’t need “realism” with these costumes, especially not in an elevated universe involving superpowers and all sorts of crazy technology. It hasn’t been needed in the comics or the cartoons; why is film any different?

Also, if you give Batman a thinner costume, it makes acrobatics more realistic, something we probably haven’t seen portrayed because Film Batman is often lumbering around under 50-100 lbs of foam rubber. As for realism, I can accept that Wayne has enough resources that he can fabricate a lightweight but generally protective material.

I'd honestly be shocked if Gunn does anything other than some sort of high tech armor when it comes to Batman. The way he went out of his way to try to "ground" the Superman suit as much as possible makes me think he's just gonna double down on it even more when it comes to Batman who already has a long history of suits like that which allow for more ways in which to execute that type of "overdesign", and even tho it's a very sci fi universe, even Bloodsport's suit was completely overhauled from the comics to accomodate for more armor, and I'd say Bloodsport is the most similar thing he's done to a Batman-type character.


Also I really doubt he'll do blue. He seems very into the whole "dark creature of the night" thing for Batman (he called him that moniker in Peacemaker and in his Facebook rants on Batman 89 complaining about the way the neck didn't move) plus I think he'll want that contrast in colors between Batman and Superman.

 

[Lily Adler]

It's time Gunn.

 

[Invader Joker]

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It's time Gunn.

Honestly based on how he did the suit I do fully 100% believe Gunn when he was talking about how he wasn't sure if he was gonna do the trunks on Superman or not. And if he was that indecisive on it in regards to Superman I can't imagine he'll do them with Batman who again, it's easier to get away with him not having them.

 

[routhman]

I'd honestly be shocked if Gunn does anything other than some sort of high tech armor when it comes to Batman. The way he went out of his way to try to "ground" the Superman suit as much as possible makes me think he's just gonna double down on it even more when it comes to Batman who already has a long history of suits like that which allow for more ways in which to execute that type of "overdesign", and even tho it's a very sci fi universe, even Bloodsport's suit was completely overhauled from the comics to accomodate for more armor, and I'd say Bloodsport is the most similar thing he's done to a Batman-type character.


Also I really doubt he'll do blue. He seems very into the whole "dark creature of the night" thing for Batman (he called him that moniker in Peacemaker and in his Facebook rants on Batman 89 complaining about the way the neck didn't move) plus I think he'll want that contrast in colors between Batman and Superman.

I agree that some historical trends suggest that he might go the armor route. But as a counterpoint, he did faithfully adapt the looks of Star Lord, Nebula, Rocket, Peacemaker, and plenty of others.

But even if he did have a strong bias toward adding armor, it’s impossible to predict with certainty based on history alone, and I’m personally hoping he goes with the traditional look.

Batman can be plenty tech-y without the armor. Put the tech in the gadgets. That’s really where it belongs.

 

[Boom]

Trunks, blue and gray, oval.

It's decided.

 

[WatchProtect]

I think Superman's suit will be widely inspired by the story and his character, to me based on the cape placement and the collar I think the suit comes from Krypton but is more of a casual wear as opposed to the skin-tight suits from MOS.

I almost wonder if the apparent stitching we saw in the closeup image is an Earth made logo stitched onto Kryptonian clothing.

 

[Invader Joker]

I agree that some historical trends suggest that he might go the armor route. But as a counterpoint, he did faithfully adapt the looks of Star Lord, Nebula, Rocket, Peacemaker, and plenty of others.

His purpose with adapting Peacemaker so faithfully was that he wanted Peacemaker to look like an idiot. He wasn't subtle about that at all either with how the show constantly brought attention to the fact he looked dumb. Superman's costume shows us the type of philosophy he uses when it comes to superheroes that are "actual serious business.".
Also Nebula wasn't comic accurate at all. And Star-Lord is essentially just a space dude, not the same type of superhero as Batman. And anyway the "comic bookiness" of it all is about as moot of a point as you can bring up for Batman because there are plenty of comics, videogames, etc where he has a more armored look that he can use as reference, so being comic accurate when it comes to Batman wouldn't tell you anything because his costume has been all over the place, perhaps more than any other hyper popular superhero.

At most, based on Judianna's previous designs, maaaaybe I could see the DCU Batman going for something more milistaristic like Captain America Winter Soldier's looks but idk. I do think Bloodsport is the best reference we have on how he may adapt the batsuit.

 

[Tra-El]

That's wild and absolutely mind blowing lol. 40 LBS of muscle..I'm shook.

 

[Babillygunn]

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It's time Gunn.

You name undies? And you name them tim?