The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Tra-El]

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I think you and I actually agree. I’m probably just doing a crummy job of expressing myself.

I guess I’d say that Snyder used it as a source, the same way that he used DKR, but he misunderstood the themes and story and just plucked the dialogue and/or visuals. It was still an influence. It just wasn’t used well.

It was used well. Zack's dialogue was insanely good. Nothing in these films is a straight up adaption. Watchmen is that only exception and the closest thing that came about was TDKR. Other than that, every single one of these movies are their own story and takes.

Ironically, Zack and James have said the same exact things when it comes to their approach to these films. Right down the center. James mentioned the "sandbox" approach. Zack talked ad-nauseum about that. James mentioned that these versions of characters need to be viewed like the comics and each direction is like an arc, so to speak. Zack said the same. James just said that he isn't focused on world building in his film. That's the exact approach Nolan and Snyder took with their respective DC films. The mindset of "not backing oneself into sequel bait". Tell the story that is supposed to be told first. It all lines up.

Snyder and Gunn may be much more alike than we initially realize. They just look through totally different lenses. As creators and makers of film, that's exactly the way it should be. Not everything is supposed to be the same. We're lucky we have the library that we do. Can it be better? Sure. But for them to take these cracks at it, no matter the swings or misses, is a grateful thing as a fanbase.

 

[X Knight]

That’s kind of par for the course for Zack Snyder’s approach to anything he makes, especially comic book films, but just about anything. He’ll take a direct line word for word and homage a scene shot for shot because it looks and sounds cool on a surface level, but it lacks any of the original context that made that scene work because he doesn’t actually understand it.

It’s the equivalent of a teenager cutting out all of his favorite panels from his favorite comic books and pasting him together on a piece of paper, or straight up tracing and copying already established art, taking an art class and going through Philosophy 101, claiming he’s a great artist and knows what he made is saying something really meaningful and profoundly important. But, really, he’s not actually saying anything of substance at all and doesn’t know what he’s actually saying.

Zack Snyder is basically just a teenager who took basic philosophy and pastes and/or traces a bunch of cool looking pictures together on a piece of paper and says, “This is important! This is symbolic! It means something!”

Yeah. I think that pretty much sums up how I feel about the Snyderverse. It looks and sounds cool. And that's about it, ultimately missing the point of the characters and source material.

 

[flickchick85]

Do watch it. Now that the Snyderverse is dead and buried, it can't hurt us anylonger.

Wasting 4 hours of my time I can never get back does hurt me, actually.

 

[Tra-El]

Only thing that upset me was that we didn't get a longer cut. #ReleaseTheTenHourSnyderCut

 

[flickchick85]

That guy looks so familiar.

Not only is he known for Freaks and Geeks and Bones, but he’s also the co-writer/director of Game Night and last year’s Dungeons and Dragons movie. And also the Vacation remake but we don’t talk about that. Was attached to do The Flash for a while before parting ways due to “creative differences” with Ezra. Still has a “story” credit.

 

[Lily Adler]

Not only is he known for Freaks and Geeks and Bones, but he’s also the co-writer/director of Game Night and last year’s Dungeons and Dragons movie. And also the Vacation remake but we don’t talk about that. Was attached to do The Flash for a while before parting ways due to “creative differences” with Ezra. Still has a “story” credit.

Ezra was giving red flags over a year before kidnapping people, starting cults, waging war against the KKK, and breaking into people's homes.

 

[Tra-El]

Ezra was giving red flags over a year before kidnapping people, starting cults, waging war against the KKK, and breaking into people's homes.

Speaking of the KKK, I really got to get Superman Smashes the Klan. Gotta go to my LCS pronto. It's been on my list forever.

 

[flickchick85]

Speaking of the KKK, I really got to get Superman Smashes the Klan. Gotta go to my LCS pronto. It's been on my list forever.

Wonderful, wonderful book!

 

[Tra-El]

Wonderful, wonderful book!

It crosses my mind every week or so then it escapes me to make that pitstop. I'm slacking!

 

[X Knight]

Ezra was giving red flags over a year before kidnapping people, starting cults, waging war against the KKK, and breaking into people's homes.

hence why my desire to watch the ZSJL or anything Snyderverse related is quite low. Have no desire to watch the Flash even though it has one of my favorite Batman in it with Keaton and a version of Supergirl. The upside is that MOS can function as a sort of standalone film that existed before Ezra and the rest of the DCEU were introduced.

So at least I can enjoy MOS but my opinion on that has drastically soured on repeat viewings over the last decade. It just frustrates me how Superman's character was so wrong in the Snyderverse and how Cavill's potential with the character was wasted.

That's why I for one am happy to have a reboot which so far seems to be going in the right direction.

 

[ChrisLyne]

Its really not. The only time I have ever been spoiled when I was trying not to be was when a troll came here in the BvS no spoilers thread and spoiled the ending. Avoiding spoilers is not hard it takes almost no effort especially for a teaser trailer almost no one has seen except embargoed media. The only leaks would be WB people or media cause they are the only ones who saw it which means there will be no legit leaks. No media person is getting banned from future events over a teaser trailer.

It shouldn't be, but it certainly can be. The Cavill scene in Deadpool & Wolverine popped up on the front page of my YouTube as recommended video for me from a channel I'd never even watched (and have now blocked) before the film's midnight release.

I even remember back before The Force Awakens, watching a video from the official Star Wars YouTube channel and the "recommended" video thumbnail was a leaked picture of Luke weeks before the film's release.

And even with this invite only event it seems there's been a full description leaked.

So, yeah, even when you're actively trying to avoid them they can end up in your face.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Apparently he's from Bones.

Yeah that too. I’m not sure if he still acts since he’s had some success as a director.

 

[Babillygunn]

Speaking of the KKK, I really got to get Superman Smashes the Klan. Gotta go to my LCS pronto. It's been on my list forever.

I absolutely love Gene Luen Yang’s core take on Superman as “the ultimate immigrant tale.” That book is absolutely wonderful.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I wonder if Trump will try and ban Superman from theaters since it’s about an immigrant.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

It shouldn't be, but it certainly can be. The Cavill scene in Deadpool & Wolverine popped up on the front page of my YouTube as recommended video for me from a channel I'd never even watched (and have now blocked) before the film's midnight release.

I even remember back before The Force Awakens, watching a video from the official Star Wars YouTube channel and the "recommended" video thumbnail was a leaked picture of Luke weeks before the film's release.

And even with this invite only event it seems there's been a full description leaked.

So, yeah, even when you're actively trying to avoid them they can end up in your face.

Yeah, the issue with YouTube is that spoilers can show up in the thumbnail of a video. If you really want to avoid that sort of thing, just stay logged out and clear your YouTube cookies on a regular basis.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I wonder if Trump will try and ban Superman from theaters since it’s about an immigrant.

Trump only has a problem with certain kinds of immigrants if you catch my meaning.

 

[dhandler01]

Trust me, I’ve tried to argue that plagiarizing someone else’s work word for word is ok because it isn’t a “source.”

It didn’t work in high school and it doesn’t work today!

I'm a teacher...no one plagarizes they just use AI. (badly)

 

[dhandler01]

We've gone from wanting a comic accurate Superman down to the underwear but draw the line at Dick Grayson as Robin? That's not a good argument for this world

We haven't done anything. I am saying why it makes more sense to choose one over the other. Just because you don't agree doesn't discount the argument. (Nor did your little strawman about underwear)

 

[dhandler01]

I honestly think Gunn is skipping Duck because Reeves has already claimed him. The Penguin has made extremely clear that Reeves has a lot of interest in the rise of the freaks period in Gotham's history and is drawing a lot from Dark Victory. We also know he is a huge fan of the 60s series and how pivotal Bruce and Dick's relationship is to that version.

I think Reeves is telling the story about how a young, angry Bruce who was broken by his parents' deaths rebuilds his life and becomes a real hero and a father figure by giving another victim of similar circumstances a second chance at a family.

And that makes way more sense than what would likely come out of a big universe version where Robin is fighting next to aliens against supervillains. Plus even if Pattinson makes 3 films Robin likely will never be old enough to be Nightwing so when that universe ends it will work better.

 

[Herolee10]

Well, at least our first exposure to real footage won't be through a recording secretly taken at Comic Con.

 

[dhandler01]

Only thing that upset me was that we didn't get a longer cut. #ReleaseTheTenHourSnyderCut

My friend you are a glutton for punishment. I wanted to like the Snyder Cut so badly for a dozen reasons and parts of it I did but my lord that guy is so up his own [bleep] sometimes I just can't do it. That film had no business having half the storylines it did, the navel gazing was off the charts and even at 4 hours the story was rather disjointed. I had to get stoned to the bejesus to finish it and can't fathom watching it again.

And don't get me started about how, once again, Superman is nowhere to be found for most of it despite this being part of a GRAND SUPERMAN SAGA! I had alnost as many lines as Clark...

 

[Lily Adler]

Well, at least our first exposure to real footage won't be through a recording secretly taken at Comic Con.

I mean unless you're not actively looking for it.

 

[flickchick85]

Well, at least our first exposure to real footage won't be through a recording secretly taken at Comic Con.

Speak for yourself, I’ve always loved those Comic-Con bootlegs! The crowd reactions always amped up the hype.

 

[Detective Conan]

My only knock is that, while All-Star is admittedly a great comic, there are a ton of others that I wish we’d get filmmakers taking inspiration from. Sometimes when filmmakers cite All Star, it seems a bit generic. Like when a Batman filmmaker says he was influenced by the Dark Knight Returns or Long Halloween.

I’d love to hear someone say “man there’s a ton of material to mine, so I picked and chose and this film is going to be an amalgam of Up in the Sky, Up Up and Away, Warworld, Emporer Joker, Whatever Happened to Truth Justice and the American Way, For All Seasons, and Superman Smashes the Klan, with a shot of Magin’s and Tomasi’s runs thrown in.”

I echo the same thoughts.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

All Star IS Superman to me - I love lots of Superman stories but nothing is in its ballpark imo. It’s also basically never been genuinely touched on as a source on film. Couldn’t be happier with Gunn talking it up.