The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Herolee10]

Bubble popper here. The originator of that rumor was Jeff Sneider, but Gunn did say they considered it, but ultimately opted no.

 

[Lily Adler]

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It's not like we're still in the era of his Scooby-Doo movies.

 

[Lily Adler]

Or worse she's feeling under the weather and wanted to talk to her son about it only for her to pass away.

 

[Gu3ree]

Chances are--I don't know if I said it before, but I'm starting to think that maybe this film could be adapting the story from All Star Superman which I have concerns about. I like All Star Superman, but I would prefer that story not to be adapted for this movie, being that this is Superman's first film in the new DCU.

Judging from the trailer, seeing a weakened Superman at the beginning of the trailer--and possibly some other scenes as well--some of the scenes where he is sitting with Lois in his or her apartment while...some beam of light and chaos is occurring outside...I have no idea what is going on, but he looks damaged. My guess is it could be following the plotline from All Star? Granted, I know Superman appeared even stronger in that story when he overexposed his cells from the yellow sun, but he wasn't particularly physically weak as I recall, albeit, he was still dying.

I personally just don't think it would be the best way to begin his story, regardless of the fact that this will not be an origin story, but when you're introducing Superman and starting in the middle of the action, I wouldn't want to start with a sorrow or somber story. That's just my opinion. Moreover, I feel like adapting this story for the first entry would resonate with audiences better that were already familiar watching this Superman, but the fact is none of us have seen this Superman yet, and it's the first time. That's my point.

Okay, I could be wrong, and the chances are it could be good. This reminds me of seeing the trailers for "The Wolverine" back in 2013. One of the concerns I had was that movie might be boring having to go through an entire film where Wolverine is nearly powerless the whole time? But I ended up thoroughly enjoying that movie.

In Gunn's 'Superman', Superman and Lois will seemingly have already established some kind of relationship, but if it starts out with Superman dying of cancer and he decides to tell Lois his secret--I don't know if I'm really up for that. It would feel like a somber story if you ask me...in the middle of the action. I'm not saying we need another origin story, but the characters need backstory.

I feel like 2008's Incredible Hulk kind of had the same problem when it was a sequel/reboot, but mostly a reboot. I don't think they established enough antagonism with Banner/Hulk and General Ross. It missed some character backstory. That being said, I think "The Incredible Hulk" 2008 film had other problems beyond that, mainly being that it started in the middle of the action without really establishing enough antagonism between Ross and Hulk/Banner. It started dry being in the middle feeling like, "Oh so these two are enemies?" But I think the film didn't show enough of that angry Ross (like we had with Sam Elliot in Ang Lee's version) or established him enough as completely detesting Banner. He seemed like a comparatively 'calmer' general compared to Sam Elliot.

While noting that, I have slight concerns about the new Superman film following a similar route to 'The Incredible Hulk'. Even though, it's "in the middle of the action", I still think the characters need to be properly introduced in order for audiences to really connect.

I'll conclude this argument by mentioning The Flash movie. I think that one of the problems The Flash movie suffered from (regardless of the now infamous Ezra Miller) was how it put Batman (both of them) in Flash's very first film (ever), when I think the focus should have been solely on The Flash, himself without focusing on the special appearances by popular DC characters. The film marketed Michael Keaton's Batman and Supergirl heavily into the movie, despite the title being, "The Flash".

Maybe adapting the "Flashpoint" story could have worked, without focusing too heavily on Batman or Supergirl, simultaneously, I didn't think it was a good idea to start with Flashpoint for his first movie. Granted, I know one of the problems they had was to try and keep it fresh and original when they already had a TV show on for 9 years up that point (to which I say God, they postponed the film countless times) with a majority of people already being familiar with The Flash's origins, but ideally, Flashpoint could have been saved for a sequel. I think it would have worked better. Just my personal point of view.

 

[Adrian Chase]

It's not like we're still in the era of his Scooby-Doo movies.

And even then it would be a wrong example since he only wrote them, as well as "Terror Firmer" for Troma or "Dawn of the dead" by Snyder.

 

[Sverdlovski]

Chances are--I don't know if I said it before, but I'm starting to think that maybe this film could be adapting the story from All Star Superman which I have concerns about. I like All Star Superman, but I would prefer that story not to be adapted for this movie, being that this is Superman's first film in the new DCU.

Judging from the trailer, seeing a weakened Superman at the beginning of the trailer--and possibly some other scenes as well--some of the scenes where he is sitting with Lois in his or her apartment while...some beam of light and chaos is occurring outside...I have no idea what is going on, but he looks damaged. My guess is it could be following the plotline from All Star? Granted, I know Superman appeared even stronger in that story when he overexposed his cells from the yellow sun, but he wasn't particularly physically weak as I recall, albeit, he was still dying.

I personally just don't think it would be the best way to begin his story, regardless of the fact that this will not be an origin story, but when you're introducing Superman and starting in the middle of the action, I wouldn't want to start with a sorrow or somber story. That's just my opinion. Moreover, I feel like adapting this story for the first entry would resonate with audiences better that were already familiar watching this Superman, but the fact is none of us have seen this Superman yet, and it's the first time. That's my point.

Okay, I could be wrong, and the chances are it could be good. This reminds me of seeing the trailers for "The Wolverine" back in 2013. One of the concerns I had was that movie might be boring having to go through an entire film where Wolverine is nearly powerless the whole time? But I ended up thoroughly enjoying that movie.

In Gunn's 'Superman', Superman and Lois will seemingly have already established some kind of relationship, but if it starts out with Superman dying of cancer and he decides to tell Lois his secret--I don't know if I'm really up for that. It would feel like a somber story if you ask me...in the middle of the action. I'm not saying we need another origin story, but the characters need backstory.

I feel like 2008's Incredible Hulk kind of had the same problem when it was a sequel/reboot, but mostly a reboot. I don't think they established enough antagonism with Banner/Hulk and General Ross. It missed some character backstory. That being said, I think "The Incredible Hulk" 2008 film had other problems beyond that, mainly being that it started in the middle of the action without really establishing enough antagonism between Ross and Hulk/Banner. It started dry being in the middle feeling like, "Oh so these two are enemies?" But I think the film didn't show enough of that angry Ross (like we had with Sam Elliot in Ang Lee's version) or established him enough as completely detesting Banner. He seemed like a comparatively 'calmer' general compared to Sam Elliot.

While noting that, I have slight concerns about the new Superman film following a similar route to 'The Incredible Hulk'. Even though, it's "in the middle of the action", I still think the characters need to be properly introduced in order for audiences to really connect.

I'll conclude this argument by mentioning The Flash movie. I think that one of the problems The Flash movie suffered from (regardless of the now infamous Ezra Miller) was how it put Batman (both of them) in Flash's very first film (ever), when I think the focus should have been solely on The Flash, himself without focusing on the special appearances by popular DC characters. The film marketed Michael Keaton's Batman and Supergirl heavily into the movie, despite the title being, "The Flash".

Maybe adapting the "Flashpoint" story could have worked, without focusing too heavily on Batman or Supergirl, simultaneously, I didn't think it was a good idea to start with Flashpoint for his first movie. Granted, I know one of the problems they had was to try and keep it fresh and original when they already had a TV show on for 9 years up that point (to which I say God, they postponed the film countless times) with a majority of people already being familiar with The Flash's origins, but ideally, Flashpoint could have been saved for a sequel. I think it would have worked better. Just my personal point of view.

I thought Gunn said this was gonna be an original story.

 

[Lily Adler]

Solaris and the Beast of Krypton getting cameos alone are hilarious.

 

[GreenKToo]

Absolutely. I love my clients who have in-house GCs. They understand the value of your service and it is wonderful to have someone within the organization to collaborate with on strategy development. They also can keep their folks accountable for responsiveness, which is always helpful.

My practice is pretty specialized. I represent healthcare providers in billing issues. So I sue insurance companies for underpayments, I defend them in administrative actions for recoupments and I defend providers against whistleblowers and/or the Department of Justice in false claims and healthcare fraud complaints.

And while I’m digressing from Superman talk, I will add that I take my tea in one of two ways:
-with milk, honey, ice and tapioca pearls; or
-as an Arnold Palmer.

In the immortal words of my grandmother, "I like a little tea with my sugar."

 

[Deck Rickard]

Or worse she's feeling under the weather and wanted to talk to her son about it only for her to pass away.

Nah, we’re going to learn in this movie that Clark also has the power to speak to the dead.

 

[Tra-El]

I thought Gunn said this was gonna be an original story.

It will be, as is all the others outside of Watchmen. The term adaptation couldn't be used more than enough when it comes to CBM's. That's all these films represent is adaptations. Even the animated realm changes things up to tell a difference story to the nuance.

 

[Alien Anal]

I think Supes will put on a good face for the folks that he helps and will be his normal self, exuding charm and being humble but when he is in a fight, it's like a fire fighter in the heat of the moment, no time to be laughing while trying to put out a burning building but when you hand the child back over to the concerned parent he can put on a smile and give them comfort..

Someone on Reddit came.up.witj a cool theory about the kaiju based on the toy spoilers... The idea is Lex has found and kidnapped a baby kaiju and the momma kaiju has appeared and in distress, Superman having an understanding that the kaiju isn't wanting to intentionally harm anyone tries to calm it down but the other heros join in and possibly start attacking the momma kaiju and so while supes is protecting the momma and perhaps the others kill it which causes it to bring down a building which everyone blames on Supes yada yada.

 

[DCDAVE]

Solaris and the Beast of Krypton getting cameos alone are hilarious.

I believe the people are mad at Superman because that Kiaju is Kryptonian. I think Lex stole the monster when he broke into the FOS. I bet people/other heroes are questioning why Superman would have such a powerful monster hidden at the FOS.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I believe the people are mad at Superman because that Kiaju is Kryptonian. I think Lex stole the monster when he broke into the FOS. I bet people/other heroes are questioning why Superman would have such a powerful monster hidden at the FOS.

The reason for their animus was already explained in this thread.

 

[GreenKToo]

Chances are--I don't know if I said it before, but I'm starting to think that maybe this film could be adapting the story from All Star Superman which I have concerns about. I like All Star Superman, but I would prefer that story not to be adapted for this movie, being that this is Superman's first film in the new DCU.

Judging from the trailer, seeing a weakened Superman at the beginning of the trailer--and possibly some other scenes as well--some of the scenes where he is sitting with Lois in his or her apartment while...some beam of light and chaos is occurring outside...I have no idea what is going on, but he looks damaged. My guess is it could be following the plotline from All Star? Granted, I know Superman appeared even stronger in that story when he overexposed his cells from the yellow sun, but he wasn't particularly physically weak as I recall, albeit, he was still dying.

I personally just don't think it would be the best way to begin his story, regardless of the fact that this will not be an origin story, but when you're introducing Superman and starting in the middle of the action, I wouldn't want to start with a sorrow or somber story. That's just my opinion. Moreover, I feel like adapting this story for the first entry would resonate with audiences better that were already familiar watching this Superman, but the fact is none of us have seen this Superman yet, and it's the first time. That's my point.

Okay, I could be wrong, and the chances are it could be good. This reminds me of seeing the trailers for "The Wolverine" back in 2013. One of the concerns I had was that movie might be boring having to go through an entire film where Wolverine is nearly powerless the whole time? But I ended up thoroughly enjoying that movie.

In Gunn's 'Superman', Superman and Lois will seemingly have already established some kind of relationship, but if it starts out with Superman dying of cancer and he decides to tell Lois his secret--I don't know if I'm really up for that. It would feel like a somber story if you ask me...in the middle of the action. I'm not saying we need another origin story, but the characters need backstory.

I feel like 2008's Incredible Hulk kind of had the same problem when it was a sequel/reboot, but mostly a reboot. I don't think they established enough antagonism with Banner/Hulk and General Ross. It missed some character backstory. That being said, I think "The Incredible Hulk" 2008 film had other problems beyond that, mainly being that it started in the middle of the action without really establishing enough antagonism between Ross and Hulk/Banner. It started dry being in the middle feeling like, "Oh so these two are enemies?" But I think the film didn't show enough of that angry Ross (like we had with Sam Elliot in Ang Lee's version) or established him enough as completely detesting Banner. He seemed like a comparatively 'calmer' general compared to Sam Elliot.

While noting that, I have slight concerns about the new Superman film following a similar route to 'The Incredible Hulk'. Even though, it's "in the middle of the action", I still think the characters need to be properly introduced in order for audiences to really connect.

I'll conclude this argument by mentioning The Flash movie. I think that one of the problems The Flash movie suffered from (regardless of the now infamous Ezra Miller) was how it put Batman (both of them) in Flash's very first film (ever), when I think the focus should have been solely on The Flash, himself without focusing on the special appearances by popular DC characters. The film marketed Michael Keaton's Batman and Supergirl heavily into the movie, despite the title being, "The Flash".

Maybe adapting the "Flashpoint" story could have worked, without focusing too heavily on Batman or Supergirl, simultaneously, I didn't think it was a good idea to start with Flashpoint for his first movie. Granted, I know one of the problems they had was to try and keep it fresh and original when they already had a TV show on for 9 years up that point (to which I say God, they postponed the film countless times) with a majority of people already being familiar with The Flash's origins, but ideally, Flashpoint could have been saved for a sequel. I think it would have worked better. Just my personal point of view.

If it were me, I would have had a Lex origin film pre Superman before the Superman film.
It would have been relative cheap, and mostly story driven, and would show the why on the hatred Lex has for Superman.

Show Lex from childhood to adulthood, and all his warts along the way.
He's a brilliant child, tho soulless. He hates people, but they're an necessary evil so he tolerates them.

He Graduates HS at 9, entes college at 11, has 7 PHDs by 18, etc etc. He creates inventions as easily as we tie our shoes, and he becomes very wealthy by 20.

The primary imcome of Lex-Corp becomes weapons that Lex has created, and selling them to foreign govts.
He also owns hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland and oil fields.


Towards the end we see Lex in his late 20's as a multi billionaire many times over, and he's pretty much "king" of the world.

He's on the front pages of all the newspapers and on every talk show.
He dates Hollywood actresses and pop stars, and also drops them all like a bad habit.


The last scenes would be the first appearance of superman, followed a couple months later of him replacing Lex as the media darling.
Superman shuns all the attention, which infuriates Lex even more. No one is that humble Lex says to tessmacher.

Superman stops some wars, costing Lex tens of billions of dollars.

No one calls Lex for interviews or to make appearances on the talkshows anymore.
It's all about Superman now.

Lex picks up a copy of the DP.
An image of a smiling superman looks back at him.
Hmmph. So He saved another usless idiot Lex says out loud.
In disgust, Lex crumples up the newspaper and tosses it.


Lex becomes obsessed with Superman, and not in a good way.
All his waking hours are spent researching Superman, his possible origins, weaknesses, etc.

We see Lex in Lex-Corp. He looks rough.
He hasnt showerd or changed clothes in days.
Tessmacher stands nearby. She curls her nose in disgust at the smell.

Lex is standing in front of a giant chalkboard. We see a ladder is needed to reach the top of it.
A complicated formula is written over every inch of the board.
Lex has discovered the where on Superman, now for the what.
He writes some more.
He stands back and studies the board. Eureka he shouts.

He walks over and sits at a computer and starts typing.
The words "The Superman project" appear.
All sorts of images and schematics appear, ie, intergang, parasite, weapons, a clone, etc.

 

[Gu3ree]

I thought Gunn said this was gonna be an original story.

He said that but maybe he's adding some of it, or a little bit of the other comics he mentioned.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I actually like that we're going straight into things. People know who ****ing Superman is. We don't need to see Krypton explode or Clark grow up again or the Wayne's get murdered etc. Give the general audience some credit ffs.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Chances are--I don't know if I said it before, but I'm starting to think that maybe this film could be adapting the story from All Star Superman which I have concerns about. I like All Star Superman, but I would prefer that story not to be adapted for this movie, being that this is Superman's first film in the new DCU.

Judging from the trailer, seeing a weakened Superman at the beginning of the trailer--and possibly some other scenes as well--some of the scenes where he is sitting with Lois in his or her apartment while...some beam of light and chaos is occurring outside...I have no idea what is going on, but he looks damaged. My guess is it could be following the plotline from All Star? Granted, I know Superman appeared even stronger in that story when he overexposed his cells from the yellow sun, but he wasn't particularly physically weak as I recall, albeit, he was still dying.

I personally just don't think it would be the best way to begin his story, regardless of the fact that this will not be an origin story, but when you're introducing Superman and starting in the middle of the action, I wouldn't want to start with a sorrow or somber story. That's just my opinion. Moreover, I feel like adapting this story for the first entry would resonate with audiences better that were already familiar watching this Superman, but the fact is none of us have seen this Superman yet, and it's the first time. That's my point.

Okay, I could be wrong, and the chances are it could be good. This reminds me of seeing the trailers for "The Wolverine" back in 2013. One of the concerns I had was that movie might be boring having to go through an entire film where Wolverine is nearly powerless the whole time? But I ended up thoroughly enjoying that movie.

In Gunn's 'Superman', Superman and Lois will seemingly have already established some kind of relationship, but if it starts out with Superman dying of cancer and he decides to tell Lois his secret--I don't know if I'm really up for that. It would feel like a somber story if you ask me...in the middle of the action. I'm not saying we need another origin story, but the characters need backstory.

I feel like 2008's Incredible Hulk kind of had the same problem when it was a sequel/reboot, but mostly a reboot. I don't think they established enough antagonism with Banner/Hulk and General Ross. It missed some character backstory. That being said, I think "The Incredible Hulk" 2008 film had other problems beyond that, mainly being that it started in the middle of the action without really establishing enough antagonism between Ross and Hulk/Banner. It started dry being in the middle feeling like, "Oh so these two are enemies?" But I think the film didn't show enough of that angry Ross (like we had with Sam Elliot in Ang Lee's version) or established him enough as completely detesting Banner. He seemed like a comparatively 'calmer' general compared to Sam Elliot.

While noting that, I have slight concerns about the new Superman film following a similar route to 'The Incredible Hulk'. Even though, it's "in the middle of the action", I still think the characters need to be properly introduced in order for audiences to really connect.

I'll conclude this argument by mentioning The Flash movie. I think that one of the problems The Flash movie suffered from (regardless of the now infamous Ezra Miller) was how it put Batman (both of them) in Flash's very first film (ever), when I think the focus should have been solely on The Flash, himself without focusing on the special appearances by popular DC characters. The film marketed Michael Keaton's Batman and Supergirl heavily into the movie, despite the title being, "The Flash".

Maybe adapting the "Flashpoint" story could have worked, without focusing too heavily on Batman or Supergirl, simultaneously, I didn't think it was a good idea to start with Flashpoint for his first movie. Granted, I know one of the problems they had was to try and keep it fresh and original when they already had a TV show on for 9 years up that point (to which I say God, they postponed the film countless times) with a majority of people already being familiar with The Flash's origins, but ideally, Flashpoint could have been saved for a sequel. I think it would have worked better. Just my personal point of view.

Gunn has already said its not an adaptation of All-Star but the energy and vibe is what he's translating.

 

[GreenKToo]

I think it will be a blend of several different stories.

 

[Alien Anal]

Superman as this point really isn't all that different to a marvel superhero and so it isn't necessarily important to have an origin story But I do love Supermans origin story so it's kinda a bummer that I won't get it even though absolutely know it...but my question has always been apart from coming from krypton to earth and landing at the Kent's and being a strong little dude....there is soooo much to explore that can be complety different to what we have seen before.

That said I'm cool to just jump into Supes doing his thing.

 

[BobJM]

Some ideas forming with re: to the plot, anyone else care to take a crack?

The film opens with the Kaiju fight. Superman doesn't want to kill this creature and is trying to find a way to end the rampage without resorting to unnecessary violence. But the corporate-sponsored heroes of the JLI arrive and blow the Kaiju up right in front of Supes. The crowd cheers for GL & Hawkgirl but don't yet trust this Superman, causing him to take a moment of solace in the Stagg building (where GL & Hawkgirl go to recruit him into their organization).

Maybe we find out that the Kaiju was unleashed onto Metropolis by Luthor to gauge Superman's power levels. Luthor then uses the public's distrust against Superman (and metahumans like him) and announces The Elite / The Authority / Infinity Team comprised of Rick Flagg, Engineer, and Ultraman to capture all rogue metahumans.

I know the prevailing theory is that Ultraman may be some sort of clone or Bizarro situation, but it could also be an adaptation of Parasite--Luthor is stealing the powers of heroes to either sell back to the government, or give to the people in an adaptation of sorts to the Everyman Project in 52. (Maybe that scene with Supes smashing out of the glass containment cell is actually him in a Luthor-controlled prison with other meta-humans).

 

[GreenKToo]

Some ideas forming with re: to the plot, anyone else care to take a crack?

The film opens with the Kaiju fight. Superman doesn't want to kill this creature and is trying to find a way to end the rampage without resorting to unnecessary violence. But the corporate-sponsored heroes of the JLI arrive and blow the Kaiju up right in front of Supes. The crowd cheers for GL & Hawkgirl but don't yet trust this Superman, causing him to take a moment of solace in the Stagg building (where GL & Hawkgirl go to recruit him into their organization).

Maybe we find out that the Kaiju was unleashed onto Metropolis by Luthor to gauge Superman's power levels. Luthor then uses the public's distrust against Superman (and metahumans like him) and announces The Elite / The Authority / Infinity Team comprised of Rick Flagg, Engineer, and Ultraman to capture all rogue metahumans.

I know the prevailing theory is that Ultraman may be some sort of clone or Bizarro situation, but it could also be an adaptation of Parasite--Luthor is stealing the powers of heroes to either sell back to the government, or give to the people in an adaptation of sorts to the Everyman Project in 52. (Maybe that scene with Supes smashing out of the glass containment cell is actually him in a Luthor-controlled prison with other meta-humans).

Interesting but from what all I've seen and heard, the public is well aware of superman and has been for awhile.

I think the new heroes show up and deal out a new brand of "justice", like in Superman vs the elite.
The public likes the new heroes justice better, and to finish off Superman's wanning public trust, Lex frames him by using the clone, ultraman, whatever.

 

[Babillygunn]

I have to say that I’m really glad that none of us are writing this movie, myself included.

 

[GreenKToo]

There is Nothing wrong with trying to guess the plot. It could go in one of a thousand different ways.
We have 300' tall kaijus, super dogs, clones, a floating eye thingy, a GL, hawkgirl, and we've seen Superman busting out of a glass cage, which tells me Lex has captured him at some point.

And No telling what else that we haven't seen yet.

 

[BobJM]

I have to say that I’m really glad that none of us are writing this movie, myself included.

Just speculating on a trailer release; not suggesting my theories based on screengrabs and interview blurbs is the end-all be-all. Thought it would be a nice change of pace for conversation instead of continued Snyder comparison or "this looks like the CW" remarks.

 

[BobJM]

Or worse she's feeling under the weather and wanted to talk to her son about it only for her to pass away.

I can't see them killing off Martha (or maybe that's just me wishing against it). The scene in the trailer with Pa felt like a coming home scene for Clark, like in Superman for All Seasons. Definitely some emotion behind it, but hopefully it's not because Martha just passed away.