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[Yellow Cyclone]

Christopher McQuarrie Comments on His Superman Movie Pitch – Superman Homepage:

"Christopher McQuarrie Comments on His Superman Movie Pitch

Director Christopher McQuarrie has revealed that he and Henry Cavill developed an idea for a Superman movie sequel while filming “Mission Impossible – Fallout” together.

McQuarrie took to Twitter to explain that the original idea, which was pitched to Warner Bros., was ultimately passed on.

“The studios have never cared for my original ideas,” he explained. “They prefer that I fix their broken ones.”

The pitch tied in with another idea McQuarrie had for a Green Lantern film, stating it was too complicated to explain on Social Media.

“Too complicated to explain. It tied into the Superman movie that Cavill and I were proposing. No takers.”

While Warner Bros. didn’t directly pass on the ideas, McQuarrie explains they just never took up the ideas and moved forward with them.

“They never said no. They just never moved on it. This was just before Fallout was released. And no, I would not reconsider. There’s too many other things I want to do.”"

somebody at WB turned down 2+ films from mcquarrie/cavill/more than likely cruise as hal

they deserve everything they get

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Cavill sucked in three movies. Why give him a fourth shot?

The WB is right. Let the past die. End it.

 

[Willi Berg]

Just watched the 3 hour version of Superman the Movie. Seriously, if they could come anywhere close to capturing that magic again, it would make a fortune.

I watched the Superman movie again recently too (Not the 3 hour version, though I have seen it.) They really did capture something, from Krypton, Smallville to Metropolis- the spirit of the whole thing. Seeing Brando as Jor-El is great, seeing Superman's reveal to Metropolis, Lois's rescue etc. Lex and co. are a bit cartoony but hey what can you do.

Watching it again, it did feel like Man Of Steel rehashed a lot of it. Mostly Jor-El and Zod. From Zod's imprisonment, to Jor-El's speech to baby Kal-El, Jor-El guiding Superman on Earth etc. Yes it is the origin so there would be similarities, but it would be nice to see it move away from all that more. Donner already did it. Time for a new villain especially.

 

[dhandler01]

somebody at WB turned down 2+ films from mcquarrie/cavill/more than likely cruise as hal

they deserve everything they get

Tom Cruise as Hal is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Hal isnt 50 and short.

And you dont even know what the idea was...just because you like the director doesnt mean every idea they have is great. Whedon's Wonder Woman is the perfect example of that.

 

[JimThompson]

I watched the Superman movie again recently too (Not the 3 hour version, though I have seen it.) They really did capture something, from Krypton, Smallville to Metropolis- the spirit of the whole thing. Seeing Brando as Jor-El is great, seeing Superman's reveal to Metropolis, Lois's rescue etc. Lex and co. are a bit cartoony but hey what can you do.

Watching it again, it did feel like Man Of Steel rehashed a lot of it. Mostly Jor-El and Zod. From Zod's imprisonment, to Jor-El's speech to baby Kal-El, Jor-El guiding Superman on Earth etc. Yes it is the origin so there would be similarities, but it would be nice to see it move away from all that more. Donner already did it. Time for a new villain especially.

Well past time for Brainiac on the big screen.

 

[MbJ]

Tom Cruise as Hal is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Hal isnt 50 and short.

Height is one thing, but they reportedly are looking for an older Hal Jordan. The synopsis was reportedly that John Stewart would be the new recruit/viewpoint character while Hal would be the veteran GL who has been at it for a while. So I wouldn't be surprised if we still end up with a middle-aged actor in the part.

 

[JimThompson]

Height is one thing, but they reportedly are looking for an older Hal Jordan. The synopsis was reportedly that John Stewart would be the new recruit/viewpoint character while Hal would be the veteran GL who has been at it for a while. So I wouldn't be surprised if we still end up with a middle-aged actor in the part.

I would love to see a live action version of John Stewart's Green Lantern!

 

[dhandler01]

Height is one thing, but they reportedly are looking for an older Hal Jordan. The synopsis was reportedly that John Stewart would be the new recruit/viewpoint character while Hal would be the veteran GL who has been at it for a while. So I wouldn't be surprised if we still end up with a middle-aged actor in the part.

Maybe but Tom Cruise is an absolutely awful choice and I say that as a huge fan of his.

 

[Micromind]

I watched the Superman movie again recently too (Not the 3 hour version, though I have seen it.) They really did capture something, from Krypton, Smallville to Metropolis- the spirit of the whole thing. Seeing Brando as Jor-El is great, seeing Superman's reveal to Metropolis, Lois's rescue etc. Lex and co. are a bit cartoony but hey what can you do.

Watching it again, it did feel like Man Of Steel rehashed a lot of it. Mostly Jor-El and Zod. From Zod's imprisonment, to Jor-El's speech to baby Kal-El, Jor-El guiding Superman on Earth etc. Yes it is the origin so there would be similarities, but it would be nice to see it move away from all that more. Donner already did it. Time for a new villain especially.

Superman The Movie + Superman 2 = Man of Steel. (it was 2 movies combined into one movie)

No wonder some parts like Clark's childhood and Clark Kent working at Daily Planet were not portrayed well enough due to run-time restrictions.

STM looks like a combination of two different movies to me, as they have two different tones, the first half Krypton to Smallville is serious and non campy, whereas the second half in Metropolis and Superman's appearance are more light-hearted and campy.

 

[JimThompson]

The Donner films really work well together in tandem (I highly recommend the Donner cut of Superman II.) They capture they heart and soul of the character.

I also recently rewatched all the Cavill Superman movies (Man of Steel, Batman v. Superman and Justice League), and I still find I respond to his take on the character, too. In some ways, a major difference between the Donner films and these later ones is not the character himself as much as it is their world's acceptance of the character.

 

[Micromind]

Yeah, MoS was from pov of Clark Kent and BvS was how the rest of the world perceived Superman and how that affected him.

 

[Willi Berg]

Moving the pov away from Clark to how he is perceived by the world in BvS and JL took away a chance for audiences to warm more to Cavill's Superman. Solo movies would've given a chance to do that. He became more of a "symbol" in BvS and JL. A figure.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Moving the pov away from Clark to how he is perceived by the world in BvS and JL took away a chance for audiences to warm more to Cavill's Superman. Solo movies would've given a chance to do that. He became more of a "symbol" in BvS and JL. A figure.

Yeah, that's a big problem with those movies. I'm not opposed to showing the public's perception of Superman (though I don't like it being as negative as it was in those films) but I also want to see HIS perspective. Superman feels less like a character in those movies and more of a McGuffin. It's evidenced by his lack of dialogue and screen time (and please, spare me the "Superman isn't a talker like Iron Man" argument... he's never been a mute in the comics).

 

[misslane38]

Yeah, that's a big problem with those movies. I'm not opposed to showing the public's perception of Superman (though I don't like it being as negative as it was in those films) but I also want to see HIS perspective. Superman feels less like a character in those movies and more of a McGuffin. It's evidenced by his lack of dialogue and screen time (and please, spare me the "Superman isn't a talker like Iron Man" argument... he's never been a mute in the comics).

What part of Clark's perspective on the public's reaction to him in BvS did you feel like you missed? What do you think he should have said to help you better understand his POV?

 

[dhandler01]

How about why they should have felt differently. I dunno if Clark thinks the people are wrong we should have seen why. Even the scenes where he does something heroic Snyder doesnt exactly play it that way. (like the flood where Superman floats above like God instead of just saving them) Clark should have seen the world through a brighter lens once he made the decision to go public in MOS and he CERTAINLY should have seen himself in a brighter hue. He didnt and he never gave the world that reason either because it was obvious he didnt trust them or himself.

That will always be the missed opportunity...the film should have showed the difference in how each character saw the world. Batman would see the word as dark and grey and Superman would see it as bright and colorful. Batman would see himself in the shadows, Superman in the Sun. Hell just filtering the scenes differently would have helped somewhat. Keep the Batman stuff the same but make the Superman stuff bright and clean. Film making 101 stuff.

In BvS Clark should have looked at the world in a better light even if they didnt always like him. From his perspective the world should always be as happy as he was when he jumped in the tub with Lois. We should have seen him so content that the "Knightmare Superman" would seem completely out of character...not a logical progression. That is what Snyder never quite got about the character and why Cav-El never quite caught on with the general public. It is one thing for his origin to be that way, he grew up an alien in a world not known for tolerance. But once he made the choice to be out front and to live in the world at the end of MOS his whole outlook should have shifted. If you watch BvS right after MOS it makes no sense. The end of MOS is him smiling, taking his place amongst the world yet in BvS he looks like that lasted all of a day.

I still love MOS and like BvS but I would rather they be elseworld tales at this point and whatever Superman comes next be something more in line with what Superman generally is. Christ even the Arrowverse got Superman more than Snyder ever did.

 

[misslane38]

How about why they should have felt differently. I dunno if Clark thinks the people are wrong we should have seen why. Even the scenes where he does something heroic Snyder doesnt exactly play it that way. (like the flood where Superman floats above like God instead of just saving them) Clark should have seen the world through a brighter lens once he made the decision to go public in MOS and he CERTAINLY should have seen himself in a brighter hue. He didnt and he never gave the world that reason either because it was obvious he didnt trust them or himself.

That's just not true. The scene before the montage with the flood features Clark telling Bruce that the rest of the world doesn't share his negative opinion of Superman. Then, even later, after the Capitol boming, Clark admits to Lois that the reason he didn't see it was because he wasn't looking: he was naive.

That will always be the missed opportunity...the film should have showed the difference in how each character saw the world. Batman would see the word as dark and grey and Superman would see it as bright and colorful. Batman would see himself in the shadows, Superman in the Sun. Hell just filtering the scenes differently would have helped somewhat. Keep the Batman stuff the same but make the Superman stuff bright and clean. Film making 101 stuff.

All of these distinctions were highlighted during their conversation at the fundraising gala. And I'm not sure about the coloring suggestion. Superman isn't optimistic because he sees the world differently than it is. He's hopeful and optimistic because he sees it as it is yet sees the goodness and possibility within that darkness. He's the kind of hero who sees the potential in broken things not the kind of hero who doesn't see brokenness at all.

 

[Aurakles]

If Superman is to be a role model and not simply a wish fulfillment fantasy, then it's important he experience the same trails that we do.

For many of us, our worst moments are when we have doubts; about ourselves, the world, our place in it. Sometimes we feel useless, we keep making mistakes and despite our best efforts things keep getting worse. It seems that going on is pointless.

At times like that, Superman should act as a beacon of hope, so how can he do that?
If his stories show that he never makes mistakes, never doubts himself, never has a crisis of confidence, never struggles with the kind of pain that plagues us, what does that suggest?
"What falls is fallen."
It suggest good people simply don't have those kind of problems, that you can never be like Superman because he is above things like that. It compounds the idea of inferiority, that because you have doubts you can't be a hero.

If on the other hand, we see that even Superman sometimes falls, that even he has doubts and makes mistakes and becomes overwhelmed. If Superman is shown to fall victim to those dark thoughts, it means that we are not alone. If he can come back from this, maybe I can too.

Who is a greater inspiration; the Superman who falls into the pit of despair, blind, bleeding and broken, having lost all faith in humanity and himself, yet manages to rekindle the flame of hope and climbs out again... or the Superman who never falls in?

Going to borrow a joke from The West Wing:

"This guy's walking down the street when he falls in a hole. The walls are so steep he can't get out.
"A doctor passes by and the guy shouts up, 'Hey you. Can you help me out?' The doctor writes a prescription, throws it down in the hole and moves on.
"Then a priest comes along and the guy shouts up, 'Father, I'm down in this hole can you help me out?' The priest writes out a prayer, throws it down in the hole and moves on
"Then a friend walks by, 'Hey, Joe, it's me can you help me out?' And the friend jumps in the hole. Our guy says, 'Are you stupid? Now we're both down here.' The friend says, 'Yeah, but I've been down here before and I know the way out.'"

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

Tom Cruise as Hal is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Hal isnt 50 and short.

And you dont even know what the idea was...just because you like the director doesnt mean every idea they have is great. Whedon's Wonder Woman is the perfect example of that.

it's almost 2020, and ppl still use the actor X is short, he could never play a tall character, when we just had RDJ play stark for the last decade

also, mcq is 100x the filmmaker whedon is, so...

 

[dhandler01]

it's almost 2020, and ppl still use the actor X is short, he could never play a tall character, when we just had RDJ play stark for the last decade

also, mcq is 100x the filmmaker whedon is, so...

That isnt the point and you know it. Good dodge though. The idea could be from the best director of all time and still suck. But please be outraged...

 

[dhandler01]

If Superman is to be a role model and not simply a wish fulfillment fantasy, then it's important he experience the same trails that we do.

For many of us, our worst moments are when we have doubts; about ourselves, the world, our place in it. Sometimes we feel useless, we keep making mistakes and despite our best efforts things keep getting worse. It seems that going on is pointless.

At times like that, Superman should act as a beacon of hope, so how can he do that?
If his stories show that he never makes mistakes, never doubts himself, never has a crisis of confidence, never struggles with the kind of pain that plagues us, what does that suggest?
"What falls is fallen."
It suggest good people simply don't have those kind of problems, that you can never be like Superman because he is above things like that. It compounds the idea of inferiority, that because you have doubts you can't be a hero.

If on the other hand, we see that even Superman sometimes falls, that even he has doubts and makes mistakes and becomes overwhelmed. If Superman is shown to fall victim to those dark thoughts, it means that we are not alone. If he can come back from this, maybe I can too.

Who is a greater inspiration; the Superman who falls into the pit of despair, blind, bleeding and broken, having lost all faith in humanity and himself, yet manages to rekindle the flame of hope and climbs out again... or the Superman who never falls in?

Going to borrow a joke from The West Wing:

"This guy's walking down the street when he falls in a hole. The walls are so steep he can't get out.
"A doctor passes by and the guy shouts up, 'Hey you. Can you help me out?' The doctor writes a prescription, throws it down in the hole and moves on.
"Then a priest comes along and the guy shouts up, 'Father, I'm down in this hole can you help me out?' The priest writes out a prayer, throws it down in the hole and moves on
"Then a friend walks by, 'Hey, Joe, it's me can you help me out?' And the friend jumps in the hole. Our guy says, 'Are you stupid? Now we're both down here.' The friend says, 'Yeah, but I've been down here before and I know the way out.'"

But who is saying Superman has to be perfect? He doubts himself and people throughout the whole of MOS and it worked great. There is a difference between him having doubts occasionally and him having doubts all the time which is how Snyder played it. Christ his first meeting with Batman he friggin threatened him.

You want to show Superman not be able to save the day fine. Hell Donner Supes flat out quit to be with Lois and then changed his mind. It isnt about whether Superman is flawed, it is about how Superman sees the world. A Superman who trusts almost no one isnt a Superman people want to see.

 

[dhandler01]

That's just not true. The scene before the montage with the flood features Clark telling Bruce that the rest of the world doesn't share his negative opinion of Superman. Then, even later, after the Capitol boming, Clark admits to Lois that the reason he didn't see it was because he wasn't looking: he was naive.



All of these distinctions were highlighted during their conversation at the fundraising gala. And I'm not sure about the coloring suggestion. Superman isn't optimistic because he sees the world differently than it is. He's hopeful and optimistic because he sees it as it is yet sees the goodness and possibility within that darkness. He's the kind of hero who sees the potential in broken things not the kind of hero who doesn't see brokenness at all.

I am not saying he should only see good, I said if Snyder understood visuals as much as his sycophants think he does he would have used that to show the inherent differences in the two characters. Superman should never look at the world as grey especially one in his first full year as a hero. That is just not the way Superman is. Superman is an optimistic character to the audience.

And Superman being naive with the bombing doesnt change the fact that he never seems happy to be doing heroic things outside of saving Lois at the beginning. He always looks troubled, he always looks half angry, and he never seems to trust that what he is doing is right. I mean I guess that is seeing his point of view but again, no one wants to see Superman doing that which is why it never resonated. Superman should be saving people even when they hate him for it. It is why killing him is still one of the most boneheaded moves in Superhero movie making and why the faux love the people of Earth gave him after his death felt hollow.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I would've goddamn doubled down on you Supe fans.

Superman be an errand boy for a Trump Like President and then have Batfleck punch him in the face like he does in TDKReturns. Wiping tears away at reading that beauty myself.

Or gone the Injustice League Route. But it still ends with Killer Dictator Superman,, till that time traveling plothole thing happens, eh.

 

[Willi Berg]

OMG Superman why so serious

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[Willi Berg]

I would've goddamn doubled down on you Supe fans.

Superman be an errand boy for a Trump Like President and then have Batfleck punch him in the face like he does in TDKReturns. Wiping tears away at reading that beauty myself.

I would love that. Superman the teacher's pet. And shouting "Whyyyy!?" when Batman punches him.