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[TheFuture]

Do people think that (assuming Essen, Talia, and Strange are in the film) one film is enough to do justice to them while delivering a compelling story?

You have Talia gaining Bruce's trust before screwing him over.

You have what I can only assume will be an Essen that's determined to hunt Batman down while developing a relationship with Gordon.

Then you have the whole issue of developing Strange up to be a monumental psychological threat to Batman.

Is it not just a bit much for one film?

 

[jmc]

Talia's standard story isn't really a revenge story. In the comics at least, she hasn't been too keen on her father in recent years, and has even tried to kill him a few times. The story that we seem to keep getting variations on for Talia is that she views Batman as the love of her life, and wants him to abandon his demeaning, thankless duties as defender of Gotham City to rule the League of Assassins by her side. But Bruce was already offered the chance to be a future leader of the League of Shadows in Batman Begins and turned it down, so I don't see why Nolan would want to retread that narrative.

Then that's another cross against her.

 

[jmc]

Do people think that (assuming Essen, Talia, and Strange are in the film) one film is enough to do justice to them while delivering a compelling story?

You have Talia gaining Bruce's trust before screwing him over.

You have what I can only assume will be an Essen that's determined to hunt Batman down while developing a relationship with Gordon.

Then you have the whole issue of developing Strange up to be a monumental psychological threat to Batman.

Is it not just a bit much for one film?

That's all execution dependent.

 

[TheFuture]

That's all execution dependent.

If Nolan wants to do justice to each character, it's gonna take a lot more than one film. That's why I'd be inclined to believe it's bull. Personally I think Sarah Essen is a fair bet, but Talia and Catwoman are not. I see the other female role being maybe just a socialite that restores a little bit more self belief in Bruce. This would make sense since Batman will be an actively hunted criminal (Bruce will have to scale back the amount of time he spends in the cape and cowl) and Bruce will have to help Gotham in a more philantrophic way.

 

[L.A.]

Reguarding Talia, they said there would be one love interest and one villain, they didn't say the female will be both.

Well that would ruin the story dont you think...

 

[hatebox]

Robert Downey Jr in Sherlock Holmes is faultless.

No, RDJ's charisma pulled the role off but I heard a few duff notes in his Sherlock. Better than most accent attempts, admittedly.

 

[jmc]

If Nolan wants to do justice to each character, it's gonna take a lot more than one film. That's why I'd be inclined to believe it's bull. Personally I think Sarah Essen is a fair bet, but Talia and Catwoman are not. I see the other female role being maybe just a socialite that restores a little bit more self belief in Bruce. This would make sense since Batman will be an actively hunted criminal (Bruce will have to scale back the amount of time he spends in the cape and cowl) and Bruce will have to help Gotham in a more philantrophic way.

Depends on what you define as doing justice to a character. For me it's about keeping the spirit of the character from the comic books, not about how long the story is or how much screen time they get, as long as the character is treated with respect and the story is compelling I don't think you ever need more than one film for any single character, except Bruce Wayne. Two Face is the prime example, takes up maybe 10 mins in total of TDK and yet was a perfectly fine representation of the comic book counterpart.

 

[Sawyer]

The more I think about it, the more I really want Knightley for Talia.

 

[MILPERSMAN]

Agreed. At this point I don't want to see Bane as more than a side villain, if at all.

Blackmask is way too easy for Nolan.
Nolan wants a challenge and he is going to pick bane

 

[MILPERSMAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5IFFKDqblM

 

[raybia]

Robert Downey Jr in Sherlock Holmes is faultless.

Talia and Doctor Strange. Boring. Both are perfectly interesting characters to read, and I am a devotee of the al Ghul family (such fine table manners), but there is absolutely no "wow" factor there at all.

Talia with Bane = fine, Strange with Catwoman = fine, either with Black Mask = fine. Together, though, I just think they are too "plain clothes".

Agree, even the comicbooks stories she seems one-dimensional

 

[Green Ghoul]

You have what I can only assume will be an Essen that's determined to hunt Batman down while developing a relationship with Gordon.

I could see something like this happening. Gordon and Essen don't even have to have an affair. After what happened in TDK they could simply say Gordon is separated, possibly divorced. Gordon's wife wasn't happy when she found out he played dead. Not to mention Two-Face held his family hostage at the end. Maybe that was enough to break up the Gordon family. Would definitely mirror this famous quote:

"Does it depress you, commissioner? To know just how alone you really are?"

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I'll said it before and I'll say it again, if people think Nolan did Harvey Dent well in one film then Catwoman will be possible. And if you weren't satisfied with Dent's arc in one film then atleast Catwoman, again, is not as complicated as him.

I have my issues with how he was done, but ultimately I think it was the best ever version of Harvey ever, and a fairly realised Two-Face that worked. With Catwoman, though, there isn't the massive transformation that Dent undergoes, and certainly taking place probably 6 months again from TDK, a love interest can be done effectively.

 

[jmc]

^ That's the thing I've never understood from the Catwoman detractors who say you can't do her justice in one film, it's like 'huh?'. Like how many films do you need for her exactly?

 

[bullets]

I'll said it before and I'll say it again, if people think Nolan did Harvey Dent well in one film then Catwoman will be possible. And if you weren't satisfied with Dent's arc in one film then atleast Catwoman, again, is not as complicated as him.

I agree with you there .

 

[Bat-Mite]

Burton did Catwoman rather well in just one film. Sure, his version was no more like the comic book version than his Penguin was, but she was still a great take on the character.

 

[DCRanger]

If Nolan can put a man in a batsuit... he can put a woman in a catsuit.

I don't know why so many posters state that Catwoman wouldn't fit in a Nolan film.

It's simple... Selina can be a simple cat burglar in a black cat suit (stealing from the rich and giving to the poor). Selina should have the exact opposite upbringing than Bruce (who grew up rich). Selina could have grown up dirt poor.

Gotham's press starts referring to her as "Catwoman". Selina likes the nickname... and while sitting around with her cats in her apartment... decides to take it to next level... and sews a better catsuit... and adds a whip to the ensemble.

She doesn't need nine lives or special cat powers.... just a simple cat burglar who likes cats. Things go pretty smoothly for Selina (as the poor people in Gotham love her)...but then things go amuck when she gets involved with Black Mask or Hugo Strange or Deadshot.

TDKR could really play up Catwoman seen as a hero... while Gotham still has it's back turned on Batman. Throughout the movie... Catwoman spirals downward from the top... while Batman rises again.

Everything about Catwoman and Selina could be the exact opposite of Batman and Bruce.

 

[jmc]

I don't know why so many posters state that Catwoman wouldn't fit in a Nolan film.

Because some just don't like the character and come up with lame arse excuses as to why she can't work. There's very much a 'girls are icky' vibe from some posters.

 

[hegele]

the reason i am fond of Catwoman is that it finally brings an interesting woman to Nolan's table. One that isn't solely used to recite exposition, and one whose existence isn't to die so the male protagonist who loved her feels guilty/bad (TDK, Inception, The Prestige [x2], Memento).

 

[Travesty]

If Nolan can put a man in a batsuit... he can put a woman in a catsuit.

Simple, elegant....and in green.

But a nice point, by the way.

 

[returntovoid]

There's very much a 'girls are icky' vibe from some posters.

They're obviously sexist and don't like strong female characters. They come up with excuses like she's just a one-dimensional sex appeal character or that Rachel Dawes was his only true love. But actually Dawes was just a chance for a normal life and Catwoman is a much more complicated character than just some random ****e plus is Batman's soul-mate.

Plus some call female versions of Batman ****es but not Batsy himself.

 

[returntovoid]

I remember something a long time ago during the development of Batman Begins that Rachel Weisz was in talks to play Talia Al Ghul but I guess Nolan didn't use her character, it's possible that it will now be Catwoman played by Rachel Weisz as she'll fit the story better than Talia.

It might have been a rumor but it could be true.

 

[san15]

the reason i am fond of Catwoman is that it finally brings an interesting woman to Nolan's table. One that isn't solely used to recite exposition, and one whose existence isn't to die so the male protagonist who loved her feels guilty/bad (TDK, Inception, The Prestige [x2], Memento).

Nolan has done a "piss poor" job portraying women in his movies.

 

[bullets]

Nolan has done a "piss poor" job portraying women in his movies. Whoever is hired to be in TDKR, I highly doubt Nolan will have any memorable female characters PERIOD.

I'm trying to think of a Nolan film where I didn't like how he portrayed his female characters and I'm coming up short.

 

[san15]

I'm trying to think of a Nolan film where I didn't like how he portrayed his female characters and I'm coming up short.

I guess you like watching women play wives and girlfriends who die in his films.