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[Micah12345]

His fleeting love interests may play a slightly bigger role in this one, as he reflects on rachel's death.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oldman and Eckhart made the scene tense. Bale took me out of it with that ridiculous voice, and the fact that he would take breaths and pauses during his lines.

"YOU'RE THE ONE POINTING THE GUN, HARVEY. SO POINT IT... AT THE PEOPLE... RESPONSIBLE."

"THIS CITY... JUST SHOWED YOU... THAT IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE.. READY TO BELIEVE IN GOOOOOOOOD."

Ugh.

lol I'm sorry but I just had to agree with this.

Personally I take any news from ************** with a huge grain of salt.

 

[Micah12345]

Yeah those two lines are just dreadful. Those, along with NO MORE DEAD COPS, and HE SHOULD TURN HIMSELF IN!!! make me facepalm every time in shame.

 

[Knight Rise]

Yeah those two lines are just dreadful. Those, along with NO MORE DEAD COPS, and HE SHOULD TURN HIMSELF IN!!! make me facepalm every time in shame.

lol that cop probably just wanted attention. Batman probably saved his sorry ass once

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's a shame too because it is a fantastic movie but I just plain didn't care for Bale's performance. I'm definately not saying that he was terrible or anything but he was just there and thats it. Oldman, Ledger and Eckhart made TDK great and Oldman and Eckhart made that scene great. I hope Oldman gets as much screentime as possibe in The Dark Knight Rises. *vomits* Sorry but I still really dislike that title.

Anyway, eventhough I don't take that website seriously, I certainly hope that Nolan is looking at actresses that good because Theron and Fermiga are really quite good actresses.

 

[Boom]

It's a shame too because it is a fantastic movie but I just plain didn't care for Bale's performance. I'm definately not saying that he was terrible or anything but he was just there and thats it. Oldman, Ledger and Eckhart made TDK great and Oldman and Eckhart made that scene great. I hope Oldman gets as much screentime as possibe in The Dark Knight Rises. *vomits* Sorry but I still really dislike that title.

At the risk of getting flammed, I agree. Bale looks like a child amongst men in these movies. What's ultimately frustrating is that I know Bale is capable of great performances. I know this is an exhausted nitpick, but the voice kills it for me. When I can't take Batman seriously when he speaks, any intensity in the performance goes out the window.

Look what Kevin Conroy did. The differences between his Bruce Wayne and Batman voices are subtle, but effective. And quite honestly, I find Conroy's deep Batman voice far more intimidating than Bale's gimmicky, huff n' puff growl.

Ledger, Oldman, and Eckhart were scene stealers, and worked off one another to great effect. Bale's just... well, there. Batman is the main character, and Bale's getting outclassed by his supporting cast.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

"these movies"?? Bale was great in Begins. He gave the best performance for sure.

 

[redhawk23]

Yeah those two lines are just dreadful. Those, along with NO MORE DEAD COPS, and HE SHOULD TURN HIMSELF IN!!! make me facepalm every time in shame.

Yeah I thought those lines were corny, poorly delivered, and unrealistic in summer 2008.

But then I spent summer of 2009 listening to people scream about "SOSCHLIST DEATH PANELZ!!!"

now I believe those extras should all get academy awards for their spot on portrayal of the American public.

 

[Boom]

Yeah I thought those lines were corny, poorly delivered, and unrealistic in summer 2008.

But then I spent summer of 2009 listening to people scream about "SOSCHLIST DEATH PANELZ!!!"

now I believe those extras should all get academy awards for their spot on portrayal of the American public.

 

[Boom]

"these movies"?? Bale was great in Begins. He gave the best performance for sure.

I'd still put Gary Oldman and Cillian Murphy ahead of him.

 

[Kane52630]

With Gordon now Commissioner Major Crimes will need a new department head...

Janice Porter? t:

 

[Sith Scotti]

The Bale hate is just ridiculous . He is by far the Best Batman/Bruce combination on screen , and while he may not have the flashiest role , I have confidence once we look at the complete trilogy , Bale will be the one that will have carried the franchise. Gordon /Oldman is a nice supporting character sure . This is Basle's trilogy . He is the star . It does not work with a laughable actor playing Bruce/Batman

 

[PreK]

I wouldn't call Bale a laughable actor, but I wouldn't say he carried this series either. Batman Begins, no doubt. That movie rested on his shoulders and it was successful enough to start this whole series. I'll give him that.

However I'm not alone in thinking we got a downgrade with TDK. If it weren't for the outstanding production values and performances from everyone else, the flaws would have stood out significantly more. Even if you disagree with it, I think it's safe to say Bale's performance is the most highly singled out and mocked. Not necessarily in a "he can't act" manner, but more of "he's a good actor but creatively that decision wasn't the most apt".

We'll see how he fares in the third. This time around we won't have Harvey's huge arc and Joker's scene stealing role to fall back on. Bale will surely be put back in the limelight. Maybe not as much as BB but a lot more than TDK.

 

[Doc Samson]

The Bale hate is just ridiculous . He is by far the Best Batman/Bruce combination on screen , and while he may not have the flashiest role , I have confidence once we look at the complete trilogy , Bale will be the one that will have carried the franchise. Gordon /Oldman is a nice supporting character sure . This is Basle's trilogy . He is the star . It does not work with a laughable actor playing Bruce/Batman

It's par for the course. Anything immensely successful will get criticism eventually, just because too many people like it, so some people won't feel individual enough if they don't disagree just for the sake of it. Combine that with the implied power and voice given by the internet and you get all kinds of craziness. The day I discovered people critiquing porn I knew things were out of control.

That being said, Batman Begins was a film firmly about Batman himself, and in that, Bale gave a tremendous performance. In TDK he was again solid, but admittedly, the voice was a bit much in certain parts. That's not totally his fault though, the hate should be directed at the effect they applied in post.

 

[Solidus]

I never minded the voice at all. As for the "No more dead cops" line, as some one as said....I've heard way worse in the real world on any political pundit's site. People always say stupid stuff like that. To me it felt like how people get when they don't....think and let fear and emotion control them. Which seems to be a problem in America anymore.

The breathing or Bale's voice never bugged me what so-ever. I actually enjoyed his performance and still think he stands very well on his own. I think no movie does one thing carry them, I think it's a great combo.

The only thing of TDK that still bugs me is the...."Okay that is not good!" guy. I saw him in Insomnia in a small part, he can act, he must of been drunk during the filming of TDK or something. But again minor quibbles.

 

[Solidus]

It's par for the course. Anything immensely successful will get criticism eventually, just because too many people like it, so some people won't feel individual enough if they don't disagree just for the sake of it. Combine that with the implied power and voice given by the internet and you get all kinds of craziness. The day I discovered people critiquing porn I knew things were out of control.

That being said, Batman Begins was a film firmly about Batman himself, and in that, Bale gave a tremendous performance. In TDK he was again solid, but admittedly, the voice was a bit much in certain parts. That's not totally his fault though, the hate should be directed at the effect they applied in post.

I have to agree with this. Many times before I've said the "popularity thing" kills it with many people. The internet has this more then anything, the second something becomes popular....people just have to hate it because they want to feel superior to others. Not saying all some have legitimate claims. But I find it interesting that the un-successful and less popular Nolan films never get bashed, but all the love. His ones that are more popular, people think more popular=must find faults.

For years I've seen people claim they see plot holes, and read them again and again, and to me their more stretches and not plot holes but oh well.

I think many members on here have great points, and opinions of the flaws that they see. But I do find the increase of "Nolan" hate or especially TDK hate comes from the fact that it is such a popular movie. But oh well. It is what it is.

 

[Doc Samson]

I never minded the voice at all. As for the "No more dead cops" line, as some one as said....I've heard way worse in the real world on any political pundit's site. People always say stupid stuff like that. To me it felt like how people get when they don't....think and let fear and emotion control them. Which seems to be a problem in America anymore.

The breathing or Bale's voice never bugged me what so-ever. I actually enjoyed his performance and still think he stands very well on his own. I think no movie does one thing carry them, I think it's a great combo.

The only thing of TDK that still bugs me is the...."Okay that is not good!" guy. I saw him in Insomnia in a small part, he can act, he must of been drunk during the filming of TDK or something. But again minor quibbles.

I hear you, in certain parts I think the deeper voice was used to great effect. The whole conversation with Gordon in the Bank vault I thought was well done, and the Maroni interrogation. Really the only part that was groan inducing in later viewings was the "This...city..just showed you" line.

 

[Brother Jack]

That being said, Batman Begins was a film firmly about Batman himself, and in that, Bale gave a tremendous performance. In TDK he was again solid, but admittedly, the voice was a bit much in certain parts. That's not totally his fault though, the hate should be directed at the effect they applied in post.

Yes, it's not fair to completely blame Bale for the loud, harshness of the voice. Nolan made a decision to alter in post-production.

 

[Sith Scotti]

I think people have Kevin Conroy's voice stuck in the head

 

[PreK]

I have to agree with this. Many times before I've said the "popularity thing" kills it with many people. The internet has this more then anything, the second something becomes popular....people just have to hate it because they want to feel superior to others.

But that doesn't even apply with this critique. It stops being spiteful when it has been a complaint from day one, continues to be 2 years later, and shared by quite a lot of people (fans and non-fans alike).

I'm not going to proclaim the majority of the people dislike it, but I'm more than confident this isn't a case of a vocal minority. At the very least I see it as a polarizing decision by both Nolan and Bale.

I've seen the growing bashing to Nolan and TDK, many of which I do think is a response to the overwhelming positivity. But not here. That sounds more like an excuse to justify a preference that isn't shared by peers, to be honest. No offense to anyone in particular.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I think the heightened problem some have with the voice in The Dark Knight stems from the fact that in Batman Begins he only seemed to have the odd snatch of dialogue as Batman, and the heavy lifting vocally was done in his Bruce Wayne persona. In The Dark Knight, however, he is required to get across to the audience important narrative points and lengthy pieces of exposition and character development while using the growly Batman voice.

 

[Doc Samson]

Does anyone know exactly what they did in post? I know they modified it but how much?

Not entirely sure, but it's clearly audible in relation to BB. I also think they did it when the Joker screams "Look at me!" It was just too damn loud in the theater to be natural. Even on the Bluray, if you listen real close to the Bank vault conversation between Batman & Gordon, it almost sounds like they mucked up and put an effect on Gordon's voice, when he says "We'll have to hit all banks simultaneously." It almost sounds robotic

 

[Keyser Soze]

Also, I've used the "it seems people who hate The Dark Knight are just trying to be contrarian in response to the film being too popular" argument in the past in moments of frustration, but I'm going to try using it less. Really, it's just as much a sweeping generalisation and an unfair dismissal of an opposing viewpoint as the "anyone who likes The Dark Knight is just a blind Nolan fanboy jumping on the bandwagon" statement that always riles me up when someone on the other side of the fence uses it.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Really the only part that was groan inducing in later viewings was the "This...city..just showed you" line.

The voice didn't bother me one bit, it's actually my favorite Bat-Voice. But I'm pretty sure his voice sounds odd in that scene because he just had a metal bar pressed against his throat for 2-3 minutes after fighting The Joker and pulling him up the building. Then in the end because he had just gotten shot and fallen off of a building.

 

[batman11]

Somehow, everything always comes back to the voice. Lol. Every damn thread. t:

Since we're on the topic, here's a nice little anecdote about the Bat voice. I was talking about Arkham Asylum (video game) with an aquaintance, and we got on the topic of TDK. He went off on a tangent that seemed to revolve around how he didn't really like the movie, and how he hated Bale's performance and couldn't understand how I liked it. I asked him what he didn't like about the performance, and, as expected, he went on a tirade about the voice. I waited patiently for him to finish, and then I asked him to forget about the voice, and tell me why else Bale sucked. He stuttered and mumbled for a little while, and conceded that he couldn't really think of anything. Then he changed the subject.

Granted, he's an idiot. I should have provided some backstory. For instance, he once told me the reason I loved Kick-Ass was because I never read the GN, and if I did, I would hate the movie. But anyways, I just thought it was interesting to see how the Bat voice competely took over and formed his opinion on Bale. It's sort of why I always wonder what percentage of people rag on Bale's performance because they have the inability to look past the distraction of the voice. Now, I'm not saying that you have to necessarily like what you see in his performance beyond the voice, but it kinda irks me when people, like this aquaintance of mine, let themselves get wrapped up in one particular element of a role and choose to look no further.

This, of course, wasn't directed at anyone in particular, nor am I saying that you must love Bale (with or without the voice). I just think it's kind of interesting to dissect differing opinions and how they're influenced. Much like how some might say that my opinion of Nolan's films would be deemed invalid, as I like (and in nearly all cases, love) all of his movies, thus making me a fanboy. t: