The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 6

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Has there been any indication of something like a Cosmic Treadmill ect. that could be used to get between dimensions at all?
there's the tread mill at star labs but it's not used for that. The whole structure of starlabw is used to open the gates through time and it caused a bunch of gates when barry and fire storm closed the singularity.

so the whole tube system is what's used in place of the cosmic thread mill for now.
 
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I also wonder if the reason they're killing off villains this season is because, as alternate universe villains, it's fairly straight forward to bring them back from Earth 3 or 4 next time.

Plus, I don't think they want to house them in their secret prison any more, so it's cleaner for writer purposes to kill them off.
 
Another character arc about not killing? Ugh. Repetitive much? We've already dealt with that on Arrow. Just introduce Belle Rev for BOTH shows already and have your villain's sent there. It shouldn't be that hard. It's fairly simple.
 
One thing I don't understand is why a lot of folks keep assuming that a reason for their killing off villains has anything to do with having nowhere to keep them.. they've stated in both of this season's new episodes that there now exists a way for them to hold meta-humans in a standard prison. In the first episode, Cisco mentions "The Boot" he developed, it just happened to not work on Atom-Smasher. In the most recent episode, Joe even refers back to it when he's talking to faux Sand Demon ("Iron Heights can hold people like you now. You know that, right?").
My guess is that "The Boot" is designed to neutralize (most) metahuman powers (similar to the "power dampers" from episode 22 of the first season). Their deaths were most likely accidental on Barry's part. Firstly, the plan to stop Atom Smasher was Caitlin's idea and she probably didn't think an overdose would necessarily kill him. As for Sand Demon, that plan was Jay's idea, and we still don't know his stance on killing. Barry might not even realize it was a lethal method of stopping him. Regardless, I doubt he would resort to anything he was certain would outright murder an opponent, except as a last resort. There is precedence for him killing in the comics, though. He broke Thawne's neck.
 
I also wonder if the reason they're killing off villains this season is because, as alternate universe villains, it's fairly straight forward to bring them back from Earth 3 or 4 next time.

Plus, I don't think they want to house them in their secret prison any more, so it's cleaner for writer purposes to kill them off.
they don't have to house them in star lab's. they don't at all . For two episode's straight Cisco and Joe said iron height's prison has been ready with cell's that can hold meta's in a similar way. that's the problem. if the writer's aren't ready to show it (the super max prison it's self) it's well and good.

but show the cops taking them way to the super max prison in paddy wagons with special hand cuff's or containers in sand demon case. til they are ready to show the prison with in the show.

it's easier insteady of doing this . some how it's not truly coming off as clean as they hope or like to think and is a bit out of character for some some character like that pushing what joe like to push with how the law works and what barry like to do with saying we're scientist, cop's and investigative reporters . we look for evidence etc.
if you don't really care as writers then don't have those two main character say that stuff then.it's a bit self defeating when they say which mean's they(those characters) know better with in the show .

the writeror producer also push self defense with that statement but some fell apart there too just a bit . self defense is when you your self are in as much danger from person attacking you . officer spyvite was already clear of the concussion bomb the one that was in trouble was Jay at that moment still he(sand demon) got distracted by Barry running in a circle around him before launching the lighting. and he let go of jay to dare Barry with his come taunt.

the issue is what jay taught Barry was to make lighting and it was to take him out cause the writers want people just focusing on the fact that he the flash can create lighting and toss it. and it's cool. end story. they forgot about the rest and didn't care past that . they forgot what was over push which they made Joe tell barry that he's not the arrow and will never be like him . and he shouldn't try to the due process stuff with them jailing meta's which what the cops should do not the strar Labs crew .


Now the best that should have been said is that barry had no other options cause he was saving two lives at that moment and couldn't think of anything else at that very moment other then what jay showed with creating lighting.

Even though they showed him training specifically for that super move.
other wise technically what jay showed him was premeditated since it was planned for a bit and they train for it. and they still had option's to create trap \device via Cisco.
with a vacuum type device or since sand demon had a bomb of concussive force for the flash's well make a special grande for sand demon which will trap him in liquefied quick drying cement or concrete .


Anyway i stated before though since sand demon was a psycho it not as much as an issue but they still had time to plan alot.

With atom smasher as I stated before all they have with the heroes are B ,C D tier characters heroes since they can't use the A's likiev super batman wonder woman and for a while the green for most people was in B,C, D area til the animated JLU pushed him out. and they stated he was seen as that as well . that can be used with the league which we know all three CW shows will head to eventually .

Well we'll have to see how far they take this alternate reality story line and we'll see yet another version of atom smasher this isn't used as villain . I just hope other like dr. light and more aren't killed since they are over big talking iron height's super max prison twice since the premier.

they over push certain stuff like what They believe "how the law should work" and then they say make it seem like it's ill relevant with in the show. it's a bit weird.


hmm and I'm a bit worried bout how they'll bring wally in NOW they're idea of clean just isn't as they like to think. still enjoy the show though.
 
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After thinking about it killing Atom Smasher and Sand Demon makes sense if TF is trying to keep Jay Garrick a secret from Zoom. If they sent them back to Earth-2 or locked them up Zoom would find out that Earth-2 Flash is in Earth-1 Flash's corner that much quicker and that's one less advantage.
 
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Just re-watched Back to the Future and it has the same logical paradox the Flash has post Season 1 finale.

A lot of people wonder how [BLACKOUT] the Season 1 timeline could exist if Reverse Flash never truly existed in the first place after Eddie shoots himself[/BLACKOUT]

This is similar to Marty fading in the first Back to the Future. If he never existed, then what would've interfered with his parents never falling in love in 1955?

I guess the "rule" is that events can only change what happens in the future of that event. To truly change the past, one would have to go back in time and intervene.
 
Killing because of self-defense is a easy slide. Plus these guys are metas.
 
But creatively it's still wasteful and predictable. The biggest attraction of the Rogues is that they are recurring threats, and the best villains in this universe have returned from defeats before. Plus characters like Atom Smasher, who get shoved into an unfamiliar role, are wasted potential allies and guest stars; Edge is good enough to return as a familiar meta on this show.

Freaks of the week only become that if they are effectively interchangeable week to week. And that's why that format eventually gets boring.
 
So, so far season 2 is fun but I have to admit, as someone who absolutely LOVED season 1 im growing concerned that season 2 is kind of hitting the same beats again. Im not really that excited about Zoom to be honest. I know,its only 2 episodes but im worried that this is gonna be another Reverse Flash. This guy seems to be another psychotic speedster whose identity is gonna stay concealed all season. I was hoping for a different kind of major villain this season (Grodd anyone?).

But I'll trust the writers. They turned me into a Flash fan in season one, so I trust theres a plan to make this guy different from Wells.
 
Except it'll be the counter part of the real Dr.Wells that lived not the reverse flash posing as well of which reverse flash killed to have life in barrys time. . also even though barry may not realize or take notice of it . it's not like reverse flash used the real Dr. wells face when he murder his mother. That thing with taking dr. wells face happened after. Hopefully he lets that part go it's unfair to the real one or well's (plural) in this case.
 
I still don't understand how Eddie killing himself would erase Thawne. Thawne came from a timeline in which Eddie never killed himself, Barry's mom didn't die, and Barry became the Flash later with the help of not dead real Harrison Wells. So since already Thawne does not belong to this new alt timeline (and he has already made changes), how is killing alt Eddie going to erase Thawne?
 
I still don't understand how Eddie killing himself would erase Thawne. Thawne came from a timeline in which Eddie never killed himself, Barry's mom didn't die, and Barry became the Flash later with the help of not dead real Harrison Wells. So since already Thawne does not belong to this new alt timeline (and he has already made changes), how is killing alt Eddie going to erase Thawne?
it was cause he was related to eddie and the fact killing barry mom earlier then he should have which Eobard wanted had him trapped and become part of that time period's lines history so his time line became linked specifically to that one when eddie jilled him self reality saw eobard as virus and start to erase him cause his ancestor died since he became linked to the time line he created by killing barrys mother earlier then he should have.

here this flash web site should help you out

Read this one first.Time and Hypertime Time travel, alternate universes, parallel worlds and Hypertime in the DC Universe

then this Appendix of Alternate Realities Short summaries of alternate-reality characters I haven’t gotten to yet.
 
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Killing because of self-defense is a easy slide. Plus these guys are metas.

They could easily think of non-lethal ways, instead of overdosing someone on radiation and turning another into glass. He could have used his super sonic punch on Atom Smasher, but he didn't bother to even try. And we've seen plenty of times how Sandman got taken care of in the comics, or even the Movie. But nope, first suggestion is to glass Sand Demon.

I think I'd have nothing against the occasional death, if they'd at least show that the characters are trying to think of another way. But two Episodes in a row they immediately go with the lethal option.
 
It seems like they are trying to hard to make her into the new Felicity.
 
If Barry couldn't really get into Felicity why would Patty be any different? That is if they send Barry and her down that rabbit hole.\

Edit: I saw the extended promo and revealed Jay Jackson charcters' full name which is Jefferson Jackson. In the comics he is Ronnie Raymond's best friend in high school. I don't know the relevance of it so I guess we will find out next episode.
 
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