The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 6

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I wonder if the original timeline, one where Wells/ Thawne killed Cisqo, still exists and if Zoom can bring in Wells/ Thawne from there so he can interact with Earth-2 Wells.
 
I absolutely loved Reverse Flash but Zoom looks like he'd rip him apart.
 
Wild, random theory: Is anyone else getting the impression that Zoom as the season's "Big Bad" is being set up as a false lead?

For starters, there is the thematic similarities between Zoom and Reverse Flash; except with the former lacking the personal connection Wells/Eobard had with Team Flash; making much of the storyline a retread of Season 1's. That even though Zoom is objectively more "powerful" than Reverse Flash, the story potential of the character is weaker in terms of drama and emotional payoff.

In addition, there's also how fast the show is blitzing through his storyline. We're barely a quarter way through the season and the show has already revealed his costume and are escalating towards a confrontation between Barry and him. In contrast, it was only at the mid-season finale that we got a proper face-off between Barry and Wells/Eobard.

As such, given the pacing, I think Zoom would make a better mid-season finale that then reveals and/or sets in motion the storyline and final "Big Bad" for the rest of the season.

Well, let's not forget the series blitzed through the Reverse Flash storyline of season 1 and the show still got great millage out of it.

As for making a personal connection between Barry and Zoom like there was between Barry and Harrison/Eobard, perhaps that could happen when Zoom's identity gets revealed, with the popular theory being that he's Barry Allan from Earth-2. And if that's the case, perhaps the big twist for this season is that, because of Zoom, Barry gets accused of a crime he didn't commit. Remember in the finale from last season in which one of Barry's glimpses of the future when going through the timestream was seeing himself in prison? Maybe he got in there on the basis of DNA evidence--which, if Zoom is Earth-2 Barry, is possible as both he and Earth-1 Barry would be a identical match.

As for what that crime be, my theory is it could have something to do with Patty Spivot, making going as far as Zoom killing her. After all, Shantel VanSanten is still being listed in the credits as a "guest star" if I'm not mistaken. Also, the show hasn't been the least bit subtle in showing us how much Barry and her have in common, and how she seems like the "perfect girl" for Barry, and how they've already had their first kiss...which pretty much suggests something really bad is going to happen to split Barry and her apart, IMO.
 
Possibly, but from memory, the reason Barry missed the funeral of *someone* close to Oliver was because he was dealing with Zoom. And that flash forward was six months in the future, so it seems like Barry will be dealing with Zoom for some time.

Can't quite recall myself but that would've been 6 months from the season premier of Arrow; from which I'm not entirely sure how much time has passed since.


Well, let's not forget the series blitzed through the Reverse Flash storyline of season 1 and the show still got great millage out of it.

As for making a personal connection between Barry and Zoom like there was between Barry and Harrison/Eobard, perhaps that could happen when Zoom's identity gets revealed, with the popular theory being that he's Barry Allan from Earth-2. And if that's the case, perhaps the big twist for this season is that, because of Zoom, Barry gets accused of a crime he didn't commit. Remember in the finale from last season in which one of Barry's glimpses of the future when going through the timestream was seeing himself in prison? Maybe he got in there on the basis of DNA evidence--which, if Zoom is Earth-2 Barry, is possible as both he and Earth-1 Barry would be a identical match.

As for what that crime be, my theory is it could have something to do with Patty Spivot, making going as far as Zoom killing her. After all, Shantel VanSanten is still being listed in the credits as a "guest star" if I'm not mistaken. Also, the show hasn't been the least bit subtle in showing us how much Barry and her have in common, and how she seems like the "perfect girl" for Barry, and how they've already had their first kiss...which pretty much suggests something really bad is going to happen to split Barry and her apart, IMO.

That's a pretty good possibility as well. I will admit the biggest reason I think Zoom won't be the main villain of the season finale stems from the similarities between him and Reverse Flash in terms of powers and concept (i.e. both are evil speedsters who want Barry dead).
 
Well, let's not forget the series blitzed through the Reverse Flash storyline of season 1 and the show still got great millage out of it.

As for making a personal connection between Barry and Zoom like there was between Barry and Harrison/Eobard, perhaps that could happen when Zoom's identity gets revealed, with the popular theory being that he's Barry Allan from Earth-2. And if that's the case, perhaps the big twist for this season is that, because of Zoom, Barry gets accused of a crime he didn't commit. Remember in the finale from last season in which one of Barry's glimpses of the future when going through the timestream was seeing himself in prison? Maybe he got in there on the basis of DNA evidence--which, if Zoom is Earth-2 Barry, is possible as both he and Earth-1 Barry would be a identical match.

As for what that crime be, my theory is it could have something to do with Patty Spivot, making going as far as Zoom killing her. After all, Shantel VanSanten is still being listed in the credits as a "guest star" if I'm not mistaken. Also, the show hasn't been the least bit subtle in showing us how much Barry and her have in common, and how she seems like the "perfect girl" for Barry, and how they've already had their first kiss...which pretty much suggests something really bad is going to happen to split Barry and her apart, IMO.


ohhh your most definitely on target.
 
As for making a personal connection between Barry and Zoom like there was between Barry and Harrison/Eobard, perhaps that could happen when Zoom's identity gets revealed, with the popular theory being that he's Barry Allan from Earth-2. And if that's the case, perhaps the big twist for this season is that, because of Zoom, Barry gets accused of a crime he didn't commit. Remember in the finale from last season in which one of Barry's glimpses of the future when going through the timestream was seeing himself in prison? Maybe he got in there on the basis of DNA evidence--which, if Zoom is Earth-2 Barry, is possible as both he and Earth-1 Barry would be a identical match.

Very nice theory. It both explains Zooms identity and why Barry is in prison in a very elegant way.
 
The make and build doesn't match Barry at all. It can't be his Earth 2 counterpart.
 
To be fair, when we first saw RF last season, in the set pics, it looked nothing like Wells.
 
So, just bear with me here, but is Wally only going to be Iris' brother for family drama purposes? I mean, they could have just made him her trickster cousin sent to move in with Joe ala Fresh Prince. Hell, they could've made him around 12 years old and be a cousin's son and hence her nephew.
 
So, just bear with me here, but is Wally only going to be Iris' brother for family drama purposes? I mean, they could have just made him her trickster cousin sent to move in with Joe ala Fresh Prince. Hell, they could've made him around 12 years old and be a cousin's son and hence her nephew.

I don't see how any of those are less for family drama than what we're getting...

He's Iris's brother because then they only have to deal with one more relative (Mama West) instead of Joe or Mama West's siblings while still having the question of Mama West dangling. So it's actually less family drama.
 
I wonder if the original timeline, one where Wells/ Thawne killed Cisqo, still exists and if Zoom can bring in Wells/ Thawne from there so he can interact with Earth-2 Wells.
it does but it's in accessible to barry via time travel the way he traveled through time. all due/cause he changed history after he traveled through time , things happened differently in his present . It's possible one of the portals around central city could lead to it. but there's no telling which one it is number wise . he'de have to travel the multiverse Slider's style like Jerry O'Connell did as Quinn when that show was on


So, just bear with me here, but is Wally only going to be Iris' brother for family drama purposes? I mean, they could have just made him her trickster cousin sent to move in with Joe ala Fresh Prince. Hell, they could've made him around 12 years old and be a cousin's son and hence her nephew.
they didn't want to do the cousin thing, they stated their reason's and it still amount's to the same thing excuse wise. it's simple they want strain nothing more.

the mother was on drugs while she had wally and Joe was and still is in the dark about it or if wally is his son at all (likely he is Joe's). Now if it he Joe's and she had him while on the run still doing drug's it'll or should present some interesting if wally became a meta cause his speed force power's should be warped cause of it.

If she was still getting high while she had Wally. So that might be some thing interesting.(him being some way like cloak of marvel cloak and dagger) if he's another man kid it'll the usual stuff you don't care to see.

but this is the path the writers chose. it's very likely Wally is the former and is joe's baby boy. but it's to keep her the wife & mother that left them around, All for crappy reason's.


I'd rather her dying be the true case instead of it being a lie as Iris said and found out and she just really wanted to know her daughter iris before she passes away as story line for iris.


and for the west's to have other family members instead of being like barrys family where if both parent's are killed that's it for that family, as far as family goes for both wally and Barry as heroes . Which doesn't make sense for your next door neighbor to be in the same type of situation.

Variety is a good thing , they shouldn't be mirror's in that way family or other wise..

but what's done is done . they gave poor excuse about not wanting wally to be a cousin which still amount to the same thing with it being her brother which joe doesn't know about be it half or just that he doesn't know those two and they don't know him. cause we're still gonna get to know about him once he shows up. that's why they're excuse fell short.(with me I'm speaking only for my self )


but it's done already. what left is to see and how it's executed . I won't complain. I'm making sure it's out of my system prior, if it turn out to be cliche'. but I'm sure we'll get good performance out of joe iris I hope we'll get one out of her too.
 
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I'm two episodes into the first season. I'm not in love with the show yet, but it's good and I'm giving it a chance to improve.
 
At least it's a positive start.

I'm this way with most network TV shows. I turned off Agents of SHIELD halfway through the pilot and didn't watch it for almost a year, but now I watch that show pretty regularly. So I'm far from having my mind made up yet.
 
I'm this way with most network TV shows. I turned off Agents of SHIELD halfway through the pilot and didn't watch it for almost a year, but now I watch that show pretty regularly. So I'm far from having my mind made up yet.


If you're not fully on board with The Flash after having seen Episode 9 of the first season, you should probably just give up on it.
 
If you're not fully on board with The Flash after having seen Episode 9 of the first season, you should probably just give up on it.

I read a quote from someone, I'm not sure who, that basically said that, in general, you need to stick around for the first 5 episodes of any given TV show to really get a feel for it. There's enough good stuff here to keep me coming back, so we'll see by episode 9. Although I must say, I watched the first season of Arrow and was engaged immediately.
 
If you're not fully on board with The Flash after having seen Episode 9 of the first season, you should probably just give up on it.

That was a really good episode, but it was the exception, not the rule. It doesn't get better from that point on (in my opinion), so don't expect that same quality going forward.

I read a quote from someone, I'm not sure who, that basically said that, in general, you need to stick around for the first 5 episodes of any given TV show to really get a feel for it. There's enough good stuff here to keep me coming back, so we'll see by episode 9. Although I must say, I watched the first season of Arrow and was engaged immediately.

That's my rule, but I gave up on Gotham after three.
 
Everyone's told me Gotham is worth skipping.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing Wally show up. Should be only a few weeks until he does, right?
 
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