The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 7

[Legendver2]

How come the show is taking a month long break?

So we have time to binge on Daredevil

 

[zenith16]

ok Andrew Kreisberg made another statment


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Will the season (and Zoom storyline) end in a satisfying way?




Kreisberg Says "Flash" Fans Should Have Seen Zoom's Identity Reveal Coming
"Flash" EP Andrew Kreisberg promises "everything will make sense in a very satisfying way."

SPOILER WARNING: This article contains major spoilers for "King Shark," the most recent episode of "The Flash."

Last night's "Flash" episode contained a massive reveal that viewers have been eagerly anticipating all season long. After months of tormenting Team Flash, Zoom finally unmasked himself. The big shock? He's Jay Garrick -- the very man that we saw Zoom kill in the final moments of last week's episode.


The reveal blows up many fan theories and adds another twist to both the identity of Zoom, the true nature of Team Flash's resident "Jay Garrick" and the reveal that Earth-1's Garrick is called Hunter Zolomon. Considering that one of Zoom's alternate identities in the comics is Hunter Zolomon, "Flash" showrunner Andrew Kreisberg told TV Line that that one clue should have tipped off audiences.


“What’s funny is we showed that Jay’s doppelganger was Hunter Zolomon, and we assumed the comic book fans would say, ‘A-ha’ right away. ‘Jay must be Zoom,’" said Kreisberg. "But I think that, like Barry and the team, they didn’t want to or just couldn’t believe it.”
Kreisberg also discussed the man posing as Jay Garrick that has become a valued member of Team Flash over the course of season two. “I don’t think you can assume anything that Jay has said to the team or the audience is the full truth. It is a version of the truth,” said Kreisberg.


And then there's the mystery of the man in the iron mask, the one that freaked out over hearing the name "Jay" in last week's "Escape from Earth-2" episode. What's his deal, and will he clarify or confuse matters more? “The mystery of the Man in the Iron Mask will play out over the rest of the season with some clues being layered in along the way,” said Kreisberg. “When you do find out who it is, everything will make sense in a very satisfying way.”


"The Flash" returns to the CW with new episodes on Tuesday, March 22.​

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[Rorschach2012]

this show is impossible to top. the movies are gonna have a hell of a time trying to do that....

the dynamic between Barry and Joe is the single most emotional bond i've witnessed in any comic book movie/tv. the acting from those two reaaaaaally propels this show.

i look forward to the feature Flash but man... this show is just so good it will be next to impossible to top. Gustin is such a perfect Flash

 

[stillanerd]

Okay, here's what I wrote over in the Zoom thread about how I think the whole Jay Garrick/Zoom/Hunter Zolomon thing breaks down:

As confirmed by Andrew Kreisberg, Zoom is Hunter Zolomon, a.k.a "Jay Garrick," meaning the person Team Flash has known Jay since this season's first episode has manipulated them the whole time.

The Jay Garrick who was killed by Zoom? That, I believe, was Hunter Zolomon of Earth-1, who's been in cahoots with Zoom the whole time and also pretended to be Jay Garrick whenever necessary. Such as when the STAR labsters tested Jay to see if he had traces of the Speed Force to back up his story about having lost his powers it to Zoom. Or when "Jay" showed Caitlin his Earth-1 counterpart at the park bench. Or whenever he was injected to take Velocity-6, 7, 8, and 9. To paraphrase a certain Christopher Nolan movie, the trick is where Zoom and Earth-1 Hunter would swap.

However, we also know that there is a real Jay Garrick who is The Flash on Earth-2 as confirmed by Harry and the flashback on Earth-2 in which Harry unveiled the metahuman detector. Moreover, Earth-2 Jay had the yellow lightning Speed Force effect just like Barry does, and whenever "Jay" took one of the Velocity serums, he also had the yellow lightning Speed Force effect. Therefore, Jay Garrick and Hunter Zolomon must share the same face.

Which leads to the theory that the real Jay Garrick is also the man in the iron mask. And not just because he taps out "J-A-Y" or that careful examination of him shows he has a similar traits to the actor who plays "Jay"/Zoom, but also because Zoom has him in a similar cage like he did Barry, which seems designed to hold speedsters.

So either, I think, we're dealing with one of two options:

a. Jay Garrick and Hunter Zolomon being identical twins on Earth-2 but on Earth-1. Or

b. When Jay was hit by his Earth's particle accelerator explosion, it not only gave him super speed, it split his personality a la Jekyll and Hyde. Remember, Jay didn't get his speed powers the same way Barry did; Barry was struck by lightning and flew into some chemicals when the accelerator exploded, while Jay was experimenting with Heavy Water when the accelerator on his earth exploded. The reason Jay wasn't able to catch Zoom is because he was literally chasing himself. Once he discovered the truth, Jay's injected himself with Velocity-6 in an attempt to "kill" Zoom, but instead it's reaction to the Speed Force made them physically two separate people. Which would also explain why "Jay" warned Barry not to use Velocity-6 because he knew the effect it would have on those who already have access to the Speed Force. This would also explain why Zoom is attempting to absorb the Flash's speed and is dying: because having separated himself from Jay, he's physically unstable, and the Speed Force is the only thing literally holding him together.

 

[arrownoir.]

Too many Jays.

 

[Avenging Angel]

So we have time to binge on Daredevil

Bad in with the good.

 

[Avenging Angel]

this show is impossible to top. the movies are gonna have a hell of a time trying to do that....

Gotta give them a little bit of credit based on more of a budget alone. Pretty sure the dope screenwriters are into something off the wall right now.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

If the writers of the movie simply have a bare bones grasp of character consistency, don't undermine the main protagonist constantly instead and it's cast with more than two good actors, it will be ahead of the show by a grand magnitude already.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think you're being somewhat dismissive in terms of the show's acting. Grant Gustin, Jesse L Martin, Tom Cavanagh, Matt Letscher are all good actors who regularly put in excellent performances.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think you're being somewhat dismissive in terms of the show's acting. Grant Gustin, Jesse L Martin, Tom Cavanagh, Matt Letscher are all good actors who regularly put in excellent performances.

Those are stand outs no doubt... But everyone else? And Lestcher is not a regular cast member to my mind. We've barely gotten him in the series. Much as with Agents Of Shield I find the older actors to be better and more compelling, Gustin being a stellar lead and outside of that particular critique. But Gustin is held back by some very lackluster scripting and character issues. I know everyone one likes Cisco and Snow but I frankly find them flat and uninteresting in the performance the actors playing the parts give. Candice Patton has never set the screen on fire and I don't think she ever will. Some of that was the piss poor writing of the character in the first season but in all honestly she's just kinda there. I see none of the qualities outside of her beauty that convince me of the attachment Barry is supposed to have to her. Sears is also just sort of there. Not terrible but he's flavorless. When guest stars aren't bad (GeoMancer anyone? Or the first candidate for the new Firestorm half to replace Ronnie) they too are often just bland.

I am sticking around for the wrapping up of the Zoom arc but the issues I have with the show are baked in now. It seems that they are able to deliver mostly good episodes that hone in on the full season long arcs, as they did in season one, but anything not having to do with that is fumbled too often for my tastes.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well on balance I dislike a great deal of the "CWness" that they inject into the various romantic and familial relationships, and I'm more or less dissapointed with the West family outside of Joe, because quite frankly none of them seem like the iterations of the characters I used to read. And the characters in STAR labs are after my time, so I have no real connection to them, but I'd say that the performances are mediocre with moments of charm (Cisco especially in the moments he shares with Wells and/or Eobard Thawne). So I don't think you're wrong in saying that a lot of the acting in the show IS subpar, but the core stuff that interests me as a Flash fan (Barry Allen's general arc with the death of his mother, Eobard Thawne as a character) that stuff has delivered in my opinion.

I mean, I can very much see the film giving us a great and distinct Barry Allen story, and I personally hope it does, but to dismiss the show in general is going a bit far IMO. For all its flaws I think Season 1 gave as an excellent portrayal of the Barry/Thawne conflict and I do genuinely think the cast/crew/whatever have contributed a great take to add to Flash mythology.

 

[kguillou]

I think the one thing this show REALLY needs to fix next season are the "villain of the week" adversaries. Some of them are fun but the majority are just plain hokey and campy and have zero character development. How many times have we seen a methahuman go "Mwahahaha! I'm going to kill....THE FLASH!! Mwahahaha!" Like, come on, man. The show is capable of much better writing than that, so I'm always baffled when we get some generic goofy villain of the week.

If you HAVE to do weekly villains, take the Batman: TAS approach: show their backstory, give them character development, make us care about their descent into villainy so that there's emotional weight during their downfall and confrontation with the hero. Batman TAS did this in nearly every episode in under 22 minutes. I think they can spare some screen time to develop these villains more in 42 mins. Sometimes the camp can work okay (e.g. Captain Cold and Heatwave) but most of the time it comes off incredibly cartoony and unrealistic.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I think the one thing this show REALLY needs to fix next season are the "villain of the week" adversaries. Some of them are fun but the majority are just plain hokey and campy and have zero character development. How many times have we seen a methahuman go "Mwahahaha! I'm going to kill....THE FLASH!! Mwahahaha!" Like, come on, man. The show is capable of much better writing than that, so I'm always baffled when we get some generic goofy villain of the week.

If you HAVE to do weekly villains, take the Batman: TAS approach: show their backstory, give them character development, make us care about their descent into villainy so that there's emotional weight during their downfall and confrontation with the hero. Batman TAS did this in nearly every episode in under 22 minutes. I think they can spare some screen time to develop these villains more in 42 mins. Sometimes the camp can work okay (e.g. Captain Cold and Heatwave) but most of the time it comes off incredibly cartoony and unrealistic.

I'd like to see the show have more two parters as well, give some of the villains some extra time for development that way.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I think the one thing this show REALLY needs to fix next season are the "villain of the week" adversaries. Some of them are fun but the majority are just plain hokey and campy and have zero character development. How many times have we seen a methahuman go "Mwahahaha! I'm going to kill....THE FLASH!! Mwahahaha!" Like, come on, man. The show is capable of much better writing than that, so I'm always baffled when we get some generic goofy villain of the week.

If you HAVE to do weekly villains, take the Batman: TAS approach: show their backstory, give them character development, make us care about their descent into villainy so that there's emotional weight during their downfall and confrontation with the hero. Batman TAS did this in nearly every episode in under 22 minutes. I think they can spare some screen time to develop these villains more in 42 mins. Sometimes the camp can work okay (e.g. Captain Cold and Heatwave) but most of the time it comes off incredibly cartoony and unrealistic.

But Batman was a show that was essentially solely focused on the villain of the week, it didn't really have an ongoing story or a main cast to focus on outside of Batman. They had Alfred and Robin and Batgirl, but they could go entire episodes without them.

 

[godisawesome]

Arc villains may be a better idea; characters like the Rogues, but someone who can be opposed or exposed across multiple episodes without being connected to the main villain.

Something like having another Rogues group start up to create a War of the Rogues scenario where team Flash finds itself backing up the known threat over the new guys. Or have Abra Kadabra start messing around with reality for kicks and have Cisco figure it out and they have to stop another time traveler. Or have Reverse Flash and Barry find themselves fighting in the future for several episodes, possibly showcasing the Thawne-Allen feud with another branch of the family, perhaps also having them avoid Chronos or the Time Masters.

 

[Lencho01]

 

[Bren]

Geomancer (the actor) imo looked like a rough, cheesy version of James Marsden
And was terrible.

 

[zenith16]

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Would you most like to see Amell back on "The Flash" or "X-Files"?




"The Flash's" Amell Reacts to Shocking "X-Files" Finale, Contemplates More Firestorm
Actor Robbie Amell discusses the possibility of an "X-Files" spinoff and his one wish for "The Flash's" Firestorm and his fiery future.

The truth is certainly out there, if you have the proper connections. When it comes to speculating about the fates of "The X-Files'" Agent Miller and "The Flash's" Ronnie Raymond, the best person to corner for answers is Robbie Amell. The Canadian actor enjoyed stints on both TV series this season, beginning with "The Flash." As Ronnie Raymond/Firestorm, he appeared to perish while trying to cork a dimensional rift to Earth-2 in this year's Season Two premiere, "The Man Who Saved Central City." Meanwhile, on "The X-Files," Amell's Agent Miller and Scully (Gillian Anderson) were whisked away by an alien spaceship in the trippy finale to Fox's revival series.
So what's next? Have both characters vanished for good?
RELATED: "The X-Files" Finale Leaves Fans Asking, "Was That Really the End?"
On the Toronto set of his upcoming Netflix sci-fi thriller "ARQ," Amell spoke to CBR News about filming that "X-Files" cliffhanger and whether agents Miller and Einstein (Lauren Ambrose) will be replacing Mulder and Scully in their own spinoff. In addition, the 27-year-old star talked about his love of Firestorm and when viewers can expect to see the nuclear man on "The Flash" again.​

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CBR News: "The X-Files" miniseries culminated with a massive cliffhanger. What was your opinion of that ending and the potential for more stories?

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Amell discusses his future on "The X-Files" -- should the show return for another go​

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Robbie Amell: The ending was insane. All I kept saying to [creator] Chris Carter while we were shooting was, "How can you end it this way? People are going to be furious." With that being said, when I read the script and saw that I was in the last frame of the season finale, I was like, "Maybe this is how I want it to end. This is pretty cool getting to shoot this scene on the Georgia Viaduct in Vancouver." They shut down the bridge. They had 300 background cars. They had the alien spaceship coming from above. It was a full geek freak-out. It was so cool having David Duchovny in the car with me, and Gillian Anderson running toward me. I was like, "This is the coolest moment ever."
As far as doing more, I would absolutely love that. I don't think I would do it unless David and Gillian were joining in. I'm a huge fan. They really are essential. The show is Mulder and Scully. I'm happy to be a small part of their world, but it all comes down to Chris. He's the brains behind it. It sounds like Chris is trying to figure out the way to do some more. I know David and Gillian have difficult schedules. I am as in the dark as everybody else. I have had no phone calls or anything about it.
Viewers assumed agents Miller and Einstein were being groomed as replacements for Mulder and Scully. Was that your sense as well?
When I auditioned for the role and booked it, they originally asked for a series regular contract. It wasn't necessarily for a spinoff. It was just so they could lock in a contract, maybe for continuing the series with David and Gillian, or maybe for a spinoff. We didn't know. I asked those questions. I asked, "How long it is going to be for? Where is it shooting? How many episodes? Who am I playing?" At the time, I had only auditioned with a few pages of sides and knew nothing about the character. They just couldn't answer any of the questions at the time. Lauren and I were both willing to walk away from it because you are signing your life away. Luckily, knock on wood, they came back with a recurring contract. As of right now, I'm under no contract for "X-Files," but I had such a good time shooing it. The fanbase has been so overwhelming that I would gladly go back and do more with the right people.
RELATED: "Flash's" Amell Dishes on Deathstorm's Nasty Streak and a 'Heartbreaking Death'
Meanwhile on "The Flash," your character is technically dead.
Again.

Despite only appearing in a handful of episodes, Amell says his biggest fanbase is from "The Flash"​

Anybody familiar with Firestorm knows the character is pretty tough to bump off. Have they contacted you about returning?
I will honestly tell you I have not had any talks about coming back. It's probably not going to happen this season, but I really love all those people. Greg Berlanti created this show with Andrew Kreisberg [and Geoff Johns]. I really love those guys. Greg has always been amazing to me and always taken care of me. If he asked me to come back and asked me to play a tree -- if Firestorm was turned into a tree -- I'd be willing to do it. Any time those guys want me to come back, I will. I'd prefer if they didn't kill me again, but, it's really fun to get to go back and do scenes with Danielle [Panabaker] and Grant [Gustin]. All of that cast are really good people. A lot of the crew is from "The Tomorrow People." It's nice to be a small part of a great show. It's nice not to have a contract, so it feels very special when I get to go back.
As a comic book reader, what appeals to you about Firestorm?
I actually really enjoy playing Ronnie for the times that I have. He's a regular guy, which is sometimes more fun for the actor. You get to do scenes with Danielle and Grant and just be a regular person, who has these problems. He has that polar opposite ability where he's not only a superhero. Then, he's also on fire. He flies through the air. It's one of those things where I get to be the grounded regular guy and then the Superman version of a superhero. Getting to see the final product -- the visual effects are so good -- is really cool. And, I just like to go shoot with the people. I have fun when I'm up there. Good dinners in Vancouver. I think my largest fanbase might be from "The Flash," which is crazy because I've only done seven or eight episodes.
"The Flash" airs Tuesdays at 8 p.m. on The CW.​

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[Astro13Zombie]

I really like that desing .

The actor though.....

Geomancer (the actor) imo looked like a rough, cheesy version of James Marsden
And was terrible.

Heh
He was definitely reminding me if Marsden too.

 

[Avenging Angel]

I think you're being somewhat dismissive in terms of the show's acting. Grant Gustin, Jesse L Martin, Tom Cavanagh, Matt Letscher are all good actors who regularly put in excellent performances.

I'll enjoy them on a separate level. No reason not to.

 

[Runemane]

There are 4 people who look like Jay Garrick (actor Teddy Sears) because he is a twin on Earth-1 and Earth-2.

So There's Jay Garrick, Hunter Zolomon, Zoom, and assumablely the guy in the mask.

 

[Valken-1]

Rupture is coming?

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

[Avenging Angel]

Geomancer (the actor) imo looked like a rough, cheesy version of James Marsden
And was terrible.

I came on imdb to look if it was Marsden, thought it was just me. And a meh "monster of the week."

 

[Norek]

I think you're being somewhat dismissive in terms of the show's acting. Grant Gustin, Jesse L Martin, Tom Cavanagh, Matt Letscher are all good actors who regularly put in excellent performances.

Matt Letscher hasn't even been on the show that much, I don't know why you're throwing in his name with the rest of them, it's not like he's carrying the show over his shoulders.

Jesse L Martin? Come on...

 

[Mike Murdock]

I thought Jesse L. Martin has had some great performances in the show in some of the more emotional scenes. He has always stood out as an actor who is heads and shoulders above the rest of the regulars (except Tom Cavanaugh).

However, I didn't find the use of Matt Letscher all that interesting. Maybe it's because he paled compared to Cavanaugh. But I look forward to more of him in the future (uh, the show's future, not the timeline's future, although I suppose both could work).