The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 8

[marvelrobbins]

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/27/spoiler-room-arrow-unreal-blacklist-spoilers

after end of finale i figured they would have him back as real harrison wells.

 

[metaphysician]

What do you mean "no evidence"?

They've already brought in 3 Earth-1 doppelgangers of characters from the '90s Flash series - played by the exact same actors - and we actually saw an image of JWS' Barry Allen running by during the trip to Earth-2 in "Welcome to Earth-2".

The series is definitely part of the wider Arrow-Derived Multiversal Reality Construct, which currently comprises 5 realities: Earth-1 (the setting of Arrow, Flash, Vixen, Constantine, and Legends), Earth-2, Earth-3 (home of the real Jay Garrick), Supergirl's Earth (which I've taken to calling "Earth-S"), and the Earth of the '90s Flash series.

We've seen the 90s character references on Earth-1, which is definitely its own thing. Likewise, while Shipp is playing a Flash, its Jay Garrick, not Barry Allen, so his Earth isn't the 90s one either. Thus, neither set of data actually gives any evidence for an "Earth-90s Flash". However, they are a consistent array of relevant easter eggs, and the way the setting is done so far certainly makes such an Earth *possible*. Thus: no evidence as such, but high likelihood. The likelihood just relies on meta-hints involving creator intent.

 

[metaphysician]

Could it be Abra Kdabra?
That guy is no meta, but unfortunately, he's a time travelling freak.

I think he's a more likely candidate than Mirror Master. I like Mirror Master, but he's not master villain material.

 

[metaphysician]

I say 2-3 episodes because it's involves other shows such as Arrow and Legends. Those shows are all planning their own seasons, and anything more than 2-3 episodes devouted to Flash's time traveling shenanigans. Seems like a lot to handle unless everyone is on this timeline till winter break.

What makes you think the other shows will be effected at all? Just because time get wonky on Flash doesn't mean the other shows have to acknowledge it. They are just set "after" Barry fixes things.

 

[metaphysician]

Is Mirror Master that powerful? I don't remember that in the stuff I've read with him.

He's entirely that powerful. Guy is a terrifying survivor of the Silver Age, who still has the power of "stick the word 'mirror' in a sentence and make whatever nonsense happen". Teleporting and attacking through mirrors, creating evil twins, warping senses, dumping people in other dimensions, duplicating himself, reflecting attacks. . . and all while potentially being impossible to attack, because he's present via projected images and mirrors and such.

Its just, for all his power, Mirror Master has the same motive as the rest of the Rogues: make money, have fun, beat up the Flash for the challenge. He's a great opponent, but he's not the driving force for a season arc.

 

[batdude]

Abra Kadabra and Mirror Master are the two big rouges left it's just a question of who's the big bad and who is the special guest star.

 

[Paradox1]

What makes you think the other shows will be effected at all? Just because time get wonky on Flash doesn't mean the other shows have to acknowledge it. They are just set "after" Barry fixes things.

The shows run in conjunction and this is a situation like its a wonderful life. Nora Allen is alive so The Flash has yet to exist. His impact on this universe is huge a factor in the lives of Oliver Queen to Leonard Snart. He saved team Arrow from Ra's Al Ghul prison and helped Snart see the hero in himself.

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/27/spoiler-room-arrow-unreal-blacklist-spoilers

Concerning Cavanagh in the next season.
Well... I guess he has to be in. Without him (the real Harrison Wells from Earth-1) there is no Flash.
Barry changed the timeline back to the circumstances that Eobard Thawn described in season 1 (where Barry got his powers in the same accident caused by Wells' experiments.)
But there's another thing we know from Thawn. He said that this accident will happen about ten years later (and therefore he had to take Wells' body to speed things up and get "home" as soon as possible).

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Barry will get the real Wells to build a particle accelerator and have it self contained (so that there are no metahumans). Then they'll use it on Barry, and he'll appear to burn up, but instead will get trapped in the speed force all over again.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Maybe Barry will get the real Wells to build a particle accelerator and have it self contained (so that there are no metahumans). Then they'll use it on Barry, and he'll appear to burn up, but instead will get trapped in the speed force all over again.

Only this time he'll know how to conquer the Speed Force so he'll appear to disintegrate but then instantly reappear...wearing a Flash costume that Cisco hasn't even invented yet.

 

[Dark Raven]

Will he really know how to conquer the speed force this time round? The last time was dependent on him accepting his mother's death and finally moving on. But it appears he hasn't really accepted that at all, or his father's death, since he went back in time to change everything.

 

[flashpo1nt]

i don't see why the writers would have barry go back in time to save his mom, he didn't do it the first time he had the chance, and accepting his mothers death was part of him being able to leave the speed force with his powers.

thawne will probably still take wells body, and spy on barry as he grows up and have the same thing happen, only difference is barry will be raised by nora and henry allen and not joe west.

barry doesn't know what other aspects of the time line will be affected, only that nora didn't die that night from reverse flash.

when he travels back to the present time then we'll find out who's still around, and who's not, for all we know thawne could still be there, maybe they never find out he's reverse flash but when barry gets back he does and has to hide it from them, seriously there's 100's of different stories they can come up with.

i also feel after his time in the speed force it was like he was humbled and felt a strong connection with the speed force, then he goes back in time to save his mom so its like he's betraying the speed force by doing something it would not like...a big part of barry accepting his powers/speed force was moving on and letting go, and getting past the death of his mom and the death of others to come, so its like he's back to his old ways.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Losing his father made him desperate. Now both his parents are dead because of his enemies and he wasn't thinking rationally.

 

[The Caped Knight]

THE FLASH: The Complete Second Season Blu-ray - September 6

SPECIAL FEATURES AND CONTENT:
ALL 23 one-hour episodes plus Arrow crossover
Behind-the-scenes visual effects featurettes for almost every episode!
Star Crossed Hawks featurette
Star Crossed Hawks: The Hunt for Vandal Savage featurette
The Many Faces of Zoom featurette
Chasing Flash - The Journey of Kevin Smith featurette
The Flash: 2015 Comic-Con Panel
The Flash: 2015 PaleyFest
Deleted Scenes
Gag Reel

 

[ravn0s]

no supergirl crossover

 

[metaphysician]

I don't see why it would include such, the crossover occurred entirely on Supergirl.

 

[WeatherWizard99]

is the arrow-flash-legends-supergirl mega crossover already confirmed or is it still only a possibility baing considerated ?! I didnt get it

 

[Xrated48]

is the arrow-flash-legends-supergirl mega crossover already confirmed or is it still only a possibility baing considerated ?! I didnt get it

It's been confirmed at the moment to be happening but plans could change.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

 

[Herolee10]

So with Superman set to appear in "Supergirl", I hope this means that this means that Grant and the fans are yet another step closer towards seeing our shared dream of watching his version of the Flash interaction with "an" version of Superman in live action format.

 

[vantheman77]

So with Superman set to appear in "Supergirl", I hope this means that this means that Grant and the fans are yet another step closer towards seeing our shared dream of watching his version of the Flash interaction with "an" version of Superman in live action format.

In Supergirl, Flash and Supergirl raced at the end. If Superman is to appear in Flash, I hope there will be a super-speed race all over the world like the one in Superman: Animated Series.

 

[Lord Valumart]

SPECIAL FEATURES AND CONTENT:
ALL 23 one-hour episodes plus Arrow crossover

None of the episodes are an hour. NONE OF THEM!!!

 

[Mike Murdock]

Maybe they'll include the commercials

 

[Rorschach2012]

We've seen the 90s character references on Earth-1, which is definitely its own thing. Likewise, while Shipp is playing a Flash, its Jay Garrick, not Barry Allen, so his Earth isn't the 90s one either. Thus, neither set of data actually gives any evidence for an "Earth-90s Flash". However, they are a consistent array of relevant easter eggs, and the way the setting is done so far certainly makes such an Earth *possible*. Thus: no evidence as such, but high likelihood. The likelihood just relies on meta-hints involving creator intent.

Actually they showed the 90s Flash. Jws' 90s Flash is confirmed to exist in the multiverse. It was the same episode that they showed the Legion of Superheroes ring

 

[metaphysician]

Ah, I missed that. Then there you go, there's an "Earth-90s" somewhere in the multiverse. Not sure what else it would logically having going on besides the 90s Flash, though.